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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:45:00 -
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I was in high sec, i did missions, missions got boring, went to low sec, made much more isk, started to pvp, now i only pvp.
Problem is like THE WARCRAFT people like to just make isk to buy plex/make isk better.
I say problem, but really its what they like to do. So how about having a special mission once in a while with a huge reward that cant be done solo, sort of like a double reward lvl 5 mission in low sec (like once in a while hauling missions), something to temp them out and gather some friends. That sort of stuff? a dash of incursions if you will. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:49:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Anyone can be educated. You cannot educate the unwilling. The schools give it a damn good try. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:51:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:I was in high sec, i did missions, missions got boring, went to low sec, made much more isk, started to pvp, now i only pvp.
Problem is like THE WARCRAFT people like to just make isk to buy plex/make isk better.
I say problem, but really its what they like to do. So how about having a special mission once in a while with a huge reward that cant be done solo, sort of like a double reward lvl 5 mission in low sec (like once in a while hauling missions), something to temp them out and gather some friends. That sort of stuff? a dash of incursions if you will. Personally never been much of a group, mission person myself but I know some people already do that on lvl 4's and with so many people having multiple accounts it would not make much difference. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.09.04 11:59:00 -
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Wow, are you still harping on about this?
There is something you need to be educated on I think. The difference between capability and willingness. Everyone is capable of learning, not everyone is willing. So unless you are going to literally go to peoples houses and force them to read up on the CSM and then force them to vote, all your "WE MUST EDUCATE THE MASSES" and "PEOPLE MUST VOTE" speeches are worth precisely zero.
Now can you please go find something else for your life to be about? My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
478
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:02:00 -
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i wonder if ccp could pull it some stats for us to paw over, things like players in high that have never been to low sec or null etc.
might be a good lead for the brainstormer's to come up with something. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:05:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:i wonder if ccp could pull it some stats for us to paw over, things like players in high that have never been to low sec or null etc.
might be a good lead for the brainstormer's to come up with something. That wouldn't be as interesting as getting actual numbers of how many hisec characters are alts of null/lowsec people. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:05:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Wow, are you still harping on about this?
There is something you need to be educated on I think. The difference between capability and willingness. Everyone is capable of learning, not everyone is willing. So unless you are going to literally go to peoples houses and force them to read up on the CSM and then force them to vote, all your "WE MUST EDUCATE THE MASSES" and "PEOPLE MUST VOTE" speeches are worth precisely zero.
Now can you please go find something else for your life to be about? So what your saying is that unless you threaten people they don't learn, that might explain the schools system these days but Just like schools we should not give up because it is hard. If anything the fact that is a challenge should drive us forward not make us apathetic.
Good to see you expressing your opinion, now we just need to get more people to express theirs by voting. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:07:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:i wonder if ccp could pull it some stats for us to paw over, things like players in high that have never been to low sec or null etc.
might be a good lead for the brainstormer's to come up with something. That wouldn't be as interesting as getting actual numbers of how many hisec characters are alts of null/lowsec people. Would be nice to have some solid statistics like that.
Might mean that studying their general play styles, more might be done to want them to move out. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:12:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Muad 'dib wrote:i wonder if ccp could pull it some stats for us to paw over, things like players in high that have never been to low sec or null etc.
might be a good lead for the brainstormer's to come up with something. That wouldn't be as interesting as getting actual numbers of how many hisec characters are alts of null/lowsec people.
i like it!
Interesting account/char stats please ccp :D http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:29:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Wow, are you still harping on about this?
There is something you need to be educated on I think. The difference between capability and willingness. Everyone is capable of learning, not everyone is willing. So unless you are going to literally go to peoples houses and force them to read up on the CSM and then force them to vote, all your "WE MUST EDUCATE THE MASSES" and "PEOPLE MUST VOTE" speeches are worth precisely zero.
Now can you please go find something else for your life to be about? So what your saying is that unless you threaten people they don't learn, that might explain the schools system these days but Just like schools we should not give up because it is hard. If anything the fact that is a challenge should drive us forward not make us apathetic. Good to see you expressing your opinion, now we just need to get more people to express theirs by voting.
Ok so you are just trolling then. Since I made it very very clear what I meant.
Cutter Isaacson wrote: Everyone is capable of learning, not everyone is willing.
Which part of that do I need to explain more carefully? My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:now we just need to get more people to express theirs by voting. We have. 16.6% (or whatever) gave a distinct vote, the remainder abstained. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:47:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:Wow, are you still harping on about this?
There is something you need to be educated on I think. The difference between capability and willingness. Everyone is capable of learning, not everyone is willing. So unless you are going to literally go to peoples houses and force them to read up on the CSM and then force them to vote, all your "WE MUST EDUCATE THE MASSES" and "PEOPLE MUST VOTE" speeches are worth precisely zero.
Now can you please go find something else for your life to be about? So what your saying is that unless you threaten people they don't learn, that might explain the schools system these days but Just like schools we should not give up because it is hard. If anything the fact that is a challenge should drive us forward not make us apathetic. Good to see you expressing your opinion, now we just need to get more people to express theirs by voting. Ok so you are just trolling then. Since I made it very very clear what I meant. Cutter Isaacson wrote: Everyone is capable of learning, not everyone is willing. Which part of that do I need to explain more carefully? No that would be you who is trolling. Everyone is capable of learning but not everyone is willing, but as you cannot tell me with any reliability how many of those people who did not vote are unwilling, Trying to educate them all is the best option. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:49:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:now we just need to get more people to express theirs by voting. We have. 16.6% (or whatever) gave a distinct vote, the remainder abstained. The remainder did not vote that does not mean they would not take part if they were better informed.
As I have said many, many times, trying to educate the masses does no one harm but the minorities. We are better of having a council for the majority, than we are a minority council. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:51:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:but as you cannot tell me with any reliability how many of those people who did not vote are unwilling, Trying to educate them all is the best option. They've had more than enough information, hence those who did not vote are unwilling to do so.
Frying Doom wrote:The remainder did not vote that does not mean they would not take part if they were better informed. How can they possibly become better informed than they already were? |
Muad 'dib
The Imperial Fedaykin
478
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:52:00 -
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id like to see the stats on chars in FW since inferno and how many of those are alts from hi sec or null sec players.
I have a distinct feeling that players mains have gone down and alts have rocketed. http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4375/mynewsig2.jpg |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
200
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:52:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Quote:Yeah PVE is as boring as hell and it is not so much people will leave over it but more might stay if it wasn't so horrible Not to switch topics here, but I think the point here is that if your playing Eve for PvE content.... you missed the point of Eve. PvE is there as a filler, not its primary content, unlike most MMO's in which PvP is the filler and PvE is the primary game content. PvE in Eve is fine and serves its purpose. A little bit of farming to make some ISK to get yourself going, fill out your income a bit or entertain you while you wait for your friends to log in. If its all you do, than yeah, your probably going to get bored, but I don't see how focusing on PvE content in a game designed for Player interaction would improve it. And what we are really talking about here is Solo content, which to me has zero logic in an MMO (Multiplayer) ... say it with me.. if you play Eve alone, your doing it wrong.
But but, what about my playsytle that is totally valid and worthwhile even though it goes 100% against the core logic of the game! I pay my sub like you do so what I want is just as valid as what you want even though what I want was never promised to me by this particular game. And it doesn't matter at all that MOST games treat me like the undisputed king of the universe and I could siply go there and have fun THIS GAME must also cater to my deep seating psychological need to be "the Bawse" to, there for suicide ganking, afk cloaking and everything else that interferes with my fun should be outlawed!
Sorry if I made your brain explode with sarcasm, I just got tired of fighting against the obvious truth of the carebear and joined the darkside for about 2 seconds. I'm better now :) .
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 12:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:The remainder did not vote that does not mean they would not take part if they were better informed. How can they possibly become better informed than they already were? Not being them I do not know, but I am aware that the email you showed me I did not receive, so others may not have seen that, also they may have just completely ignored the splash screens as advertising (That and it did not make a lot of sense anyway)
They can become better informed by us continuing and increasing what has been done before.
The CSM becomes more influential every year and now they are starting to be included earlier in the development process so it is becoming more important that people are educated more.
And frankly there is no real reason not to try other than our own apathy. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
1264
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:11:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:They can become better informed by us continuing and increasing what has been done before. How? |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
14
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:11:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:From what I can tell at least the nullsec CSM representatives understand highsec mechanics and issues better than at least 90% of people who play EVE exclusively in highsec. Furthermore they're capable of looking at EVE as a whole and understanding changes to highsec as how it would relate to the bigger picture. A highsec only candidate probably wouldn't have the same understanding of lowsec or nullsec and would probably be too concerned with just the issues (or some perceived issues) of his little corner of space.
and thats exactly a bad thing its why people from all sec space and profestions should be on here if you are a hi sec candidate and a carebear yourself then why should you give a damn about null and low you represent the hi sec players and only them not the null and low. so not the worst thing that could happen. |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
14
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:13:00 -
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Muad 'dib wrote:I was in high sec, i did missions, missions got boring, went to low sec, made much more isk, started to pvp, now i only pvp.
Problem is like THE WARCRAFT people like to just make isk to buy plex/make isk better.
I say problem, but really its what they like to do. So how about having a special mission once in a while with a huge reward that cant be done solo, sort of like a double reward lvl 5 mission in low sec (like once in a while hauling missions), something to temp them out and gather some friends. That sort of stuff? a dash of incursions if you will.
you know what this isnt a bad idea for lvl 4's to make ones you cannot complete by yourself on occasion but do offer a reward that matches lvl 4's for say 3 - 4 people. |
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Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:14:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They can become better informed by us continuing and increasing what has been done before. How? Please read previous posts that pretty much says it all.
Also as the CSM only come up in the game once a year, why would people who's only used access to eve is via the game consider it relevant? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
1264
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:30:00 -
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serras bang wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:From what I can tell at least the nullsec CSM representatives understand highsec mechanics and issues better than at least 90% of people who play EVE exclusively in highsec. Furthermore they're capable of looking at EVE as a whole and understanding changes to highsec as how it would relate to the bigger picture. A highsec only candidate probably wouldn't have the same understanding of lowsec or nullsec and would probably be too concerned with just the issues (or some perceived issues) of his little corner of space. and thats exactly a bad thing its why people from all sec space and profestions should be on here if you are a hi sec candidate and a carebear yourself then why should you give a damn about null and low you represent the hi sec players and only them not the null and low. so not the worst thing that could happen. Except hisec isn't an insular place, it affects the entirety of the rest of the game. If it has a reward scheme which is too good (incursions pre-nerf, L4s, massive manufacturing capacity, etc etc etc), then it will have a detrimental effect on the other areas of space, and it does.
If you have a hisec carebear focusing only on hisec carebearing, then every time someone says things like "nerf L4s", "increase manufacturing installation costs", "increase sales taxes" or similar things, then he will have a literal heartattack because his rewards go down/costs go up oh god, whereas it may very well be a part of a long list of changes which CCP must make to keep the game as a whole healthy in the long run. Case in point, a thread somewhere in which someone said that the PI taxes were exorbiant and should really, really be reduced so they wouldn't get "so gouged with taxes". What they fail to see is that after the taxes are reduced, what'll happen is that everyone'll war down the prices on everything, and voila they're back to square one and they'll ***** and moan yet again about exorbiant taxes.
People who have a bigger view of the game will always end up having a more balanced view of how a change will impact the game as a whole, and this is better than someone who's sole eve existence consists of making manufacturing spreadsheets and hauling stuff around in hisec. |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:32:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They can become better informed by us continuing and increasing what has been done before. How? Please read previous posts that pretty much says it all. I've yet to see a single idea of yours on this topic which would be anything but a waste of time, so I ask again: how?
Frying Doom wrote:Also as the CSM only come up in the game once a year, why would people who's only used access to eve is via the game consider it relevant? Because they're being told "YOUR VOTE IS IMPORTANT - VOTE NOW", with links to various specially made pages related to the CSM, including a list of the candidates and, iirc, a page which told you which candidate your views fit the best? |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:37:00 -
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Well sometimes its just time to be blunt in an argument.
This is wishful thinking. CCP is not going to bother educating people through some sort of forced program in which people are given no option but to vote, or any other sort of "educate the people about CSM" program. They don't give a crap who votes for the CSM anymore than the people who don't vote give a crap who ends up being on the CSM.
In the end in order for their to be a problem their has to be at least 1 unhappy party involved and there aren't any unhappy parties here. The people who don't give a crap about who the CSM is or what they do don't care and the people who do who do give a crap vote.
There really is nothing to argue here. Nothing will change because their is no demand or outcry for it to change except apparently this one poster. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:42:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:They can become better informed by us continuing and increasing what has been done before. How? Please read previous posts that pretty much says it all. I've yet to see a single idea of yours on this topic which would be anything but a waste of time, so I ask again: how? Frying Doom wrote:Also as the CSM only come up in the game once a year, why would people who's only used access to eve is via the game consider it relevant? Because they're being told "YOUR VOTE IS IMPORTANT - VOTE NOW", with links to various specially made pages related to the CSM, including a list of the candidates and, iirc, a page which told you which candidate your views fit the best? And yet the turn out is still so low.
You tell me it is a waste of time but why? the fact that they are not part of their own games future is reason enough to try harder. Considering the fact that last year they did more to alert the populous to the elections than ever before and were rewarded with an increase of 10013 votes, so if what they did last year netted an extra 10,000+ votes it stands to reason that if even more is done, even more people will vote.
And this will result in a more majority council. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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serras bang
Lucien Coven
14
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:43:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:serras bang wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:From what I can tell at least the nullsec CSM representatives understand highsec mechanics and issues better than at least 90% of people who play EVE exclusively in highsec. Furthermore they're capable of looking at EVE as a whole and understanding changes to highsec as how it would relate to the bigger picture. A highsec only candidate probably wouldn't have the same understanding of lowsec or nullsec and would probably be too concerned with just the issues (or some perceived issues) of his little corner of space. and thats exactly a bad thing its why people from all sec space and profestions should be on here if you are a hi sec candidate and a carebear yourself then why should you give a damn about null and low you represent the hi sec players and only them not the null and low. so not the worst thing that could happen. Except hisec isn't an insular place, it affects the entirety of the rest of the game. If it has a reward scheme which is too good (incursions pre-nerf, L4s, massive manufacturing capacity, etc etc etc), then it will have a detrimental effect on the other areas of space, and it does. If you have a hisec carebear focusing only on hisec carebearing, then every time someone says things like "nerf L4s", "increase manufacturing installation costs", "increase sales taxes" or similar things, then he will have a literal heartattack because his rewards go down/costs go up oh god, whereas it may very well be a part of a long list of changes which CCP must make to keep the game as a whole healthy in the long run. Case in point, a thread somewhere in which someone said that the PI taxes were exorbiant and should really, really be reduced so they wouldn't get "so gouged with taxes". What they fail to see is that after the taxes are reduced, what'll happen is that everyone'll war down the prices on everything, and voila they're back to square one and they'll ***** and moan yet again about exorbiant taxes. People who have a bigger view of the game will always end up having a more balanced view of how a change will impact the game as a whole, and this is better than someone who's sole eve existence consists of making manufacturing spreadsheets and hauling stuff around in hisec.
i see your point here i do however hi sec still has to be able to make your isk or your force people into low and null witch gose against the whole point of free will your choices are your own. i aint saying things such as minning or something should be the same everywere nah but it dosent mean you should nerf hi sec rather give a buff to low and null.
but the point still stands that reguardless of your biliefs if your a csm person and you got there to represent the hi sec population your there to represent them as best as possible even if that means fighting tooth and nail for something you do not necesary bilieve in or at the very least cut the deal that retains the most for hi sec. |
Frying Doom
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:45:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Well sometimes its just time to be blunt in an argument.
This is wishful thinking. CCP is not going to bother educating people through some sort of forced program in which people are given no option but to vote, or any other sort of "educate the people about CSM" program. They don't give a crap who votes for the CSM anymore than the people who don't vote give a crap who ends up being on the CSM.
In the end in order for their to be a problem their has to be at least 1 unhappy party involved and there aren't any unhappy parties here. The people who don't give a crap about who the CSM is or what they do don't care and the people who do who do give a crap vote.
There really is nothing to argue here. Nothing will change because their is no demand or outcry for it to change except apparently this one poster. Actually I would argue that given that they did spend extra time educating the populous last year, that they do infact care about the CSM and hell if they don't care why fork out for all those plane tickets.
As to unhappy people around here, have you seen the forums and that is the whine we know about, it is kind of like an iceberg only part of the whine is visible. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.04 13:57:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:And yet the turn out is still so low. Except it isn't.
serras bang wrote:i see your point here i do however hi sec still has to be able to make your isk or your force people into low and null witch gose against the whole point of free will your choices are your own. i aint saying things such as minning or something should be the same everywere nah but it dosent mean you should nerf hi sec rather give a buff to low and null.
but the point still stands that reguardless of your biliefs if your a csm person and you got there to represent the hi sec population your there to represent them as best as possible even if that means fighting tooth and nail for something you do not necesary bilieve in or at the very least cut the deal that retains the most for hi sec. I strongly doubt anyone wants to make it so nobody can make any money at all in hisec, not even I, and I'll happily say "remove L4s from hisec". There's a reason I keep saying remove L4s: CCP have repeatedly tried to up the reward levels in f.ex nullsec to the point where people actually find it worth doing, and they nerfed it in a panic within a few months of implementing them, because the rewards had to be too high to do so. L4s end up, in their current form, of setting a dangerously high baseline for effortless rewards (of course, now FW farmville is even worse, but CCP is going to nerf that shortly I believe), which in turn means that instead of being out and about in nullsec, most nullsec people have hisec chars to make money with, which has a detrimental effect on how alive a built-up space feels, it means that people have less incentives to actually take space, and less incentives to upgrade space, and in turn it means that roaming gangs are frustrated by a near complete lack of people to actually gank. Etc, etc, etc.
A hisec only guy will never, ever be able to see this side of the coin. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:00:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:
So it isn't representative, I know. My point is that the CSM is supposed to be the voice of the player base, a representative one, but it isn't.
And WHY isn't it? Because ccp did something wrong? Because null sec residents did something wrong? Or, because high sec people don't give a damn and don't vote. Quote: What is it with this attitude? So what if they want to solo? So what if they're casual? And so what if they wanna be in high sec? When it comes down to it, money is money. They're subscription is no better or worse than yours. As such, they DO deserve representation.
No they don't, if they can't be arsed to click a button and vote. They deserve exactly what they are getting (hell, not even that much IMO) I don't care about people who want to solo or be casual or be in high sec (i'm taking a semi-break from null sec war running missions in high sec this week, real solo and casual like)........ .....So long as they understand that what they are doing basically makes them a second class citizen not experiencing the full game, we have no problem. When you play an MMO like a single player game, why do you expect it to be like a single player game? It's an mmo. Again, I don't care how someone else plays,l until they come here and ask CCP to change the game to suit them rather than either accepting it as it is or adapting themselves to the game as it is. My problem with the "solo, casual high sec only, no voting for the CSM" set isn't how they play (play as you like as long as you are within the eula), it's that they somehow expect the same support from ccp and in game as those of us who pay our dues in unprotected space while being social and putting in the game time to get good. The "high sec residents" sense of undeserved entitlement rivals any real world welfare queen in intensity lol.
This GAME is no different than any other. There are people in these forums that would like to believe they are somehow better than everyone else that pays their sub just as they do. Just like other GAMES itGÇÖs the vocal minority on the forums thatGÇÖs seems to get the Devs attention. Here is a news flash for you. This is a GAME and many people take it just for what it isGǪ a GAMEGǪ People play for many reasons most are casual or solo, itGÇÖs those people that keep this game going, itGÇÖs those people subs that keep eve going and pays salaries and allows people like yourself to come here and think your superior. Without the silent majority you wouldnGÇÖt have this game. Then where would you go to feel superior? |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2012.09.04 14:03:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Anslo wrote:
So it isn't representative, I know. My point is that the CSM is supposed to be the voice of the player base, a representative one, but it isn't.
And WHY isn't it? Because ccp did something wrong? Because null sec residents did something wrong? Or, because high sec people don't give a damn and don't vote. Quote: What is it with this attitude? So what if they want to solo? So what if they're casual? And so what if they wanna be in high sec? When it comes down to it, money is money. They're subscription is no better or worse than yours. As such, they DO deserve representation.
No they don't, if they can't be arsed to click a button and vote. They deserve exactly what they are getting (hell, not even that much IMO) I don't care about people who want to solo or be casual or be in high sec (i'm taking a semi-break from null sec war running missions in high sec this week, real solo and casual like)........ .....So long as they understand that what they are doing basically makes them a second class citizen not experiencing the full game, we have no problem. When you play an MMO like a single player game, why do you expect it to be like a single player game? It's an mmo. Again, I don't care how someone else plays,l until they come here and ask CCP to change the game to suit them rather than either accepting it as it is or adapting themselves to the game as it is. My problem with the "solo, casual high sec only, no voting for the CSM" set isn't how they play (play as you like as long as you are within the eula), it's that they somehow expect the same support from ccp and in game as those of us who pay our dues in unprotected space while being social and putting in the game time to get good. The "high sec residents" sense of undeserved entitlement rivals any real world welfare queen in intensity lol. This GAME is no different than any other. There are people in these forums that would like to believe they are somehow better than everyone else that pays their sub just as they do. Just like other GAMES itGÇÖs the vocal minority on the forums thatGÇÖs seems to get the Devs attention. Here is a news flash for you. This is a GAME and many people take it just for what it isGǪ a GAMEGǪ People play for many reasons most are casual or solo, itGÇÖs those people that keep this game going, itGÇÖs those people subs that keep eve going and pays salaries and allows people like yourself to come here and think your superior. Without the silent majority you wouldnGÇÖt have this game. Then where would you go to feel superior?
You make me ashamed to be a Steel Panther fan. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
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