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Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:36:00 -
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38 pages of nothing. Keep up the awesome work, Forum Warriors!! |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:38:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:38 pages of nothing. Keep up the awesome work, Forum Warriors!! We appreciate you valiant padding of this thread. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The simple answer is you don't, you spend time educating the populous in game about the importance of issues like the CSM, rather than just saying well they cannot be bothered so why should we. They are plenty educated already. |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:41:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: you spend time educating the populous in game about the importance of issues like the CSM, rather than just saying well they cannot be bothered so why should we.
Hmm, I am wondering how to make this a little clearer to you, since it appears you have difficulty grasping simple concepts. Perhaps the time honoured tradition of capital letters will do the trick eh?
THEY ALREADY KNOW, THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. PLEASE CEASE YOUR RAMPANT IDIOCY FORTHWITH, THANK YOU.
There, with luck that barrage of highly irritating words, all typed out in capital letters and then bolded and underlined, will find purchase in your brain and hopefully blossom in to a flower of understanding. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:44:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:THEY ALREADY KNOW, THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. PLEASE CEASE YOUR RAMPANT IDIOCY FORTHWITH, THANK YOU. Needs a font size bump, tbh. Nothing Found |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:46:00 -
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Cutter Isaacson wrote:Frying Doom wrote: you spend time educating the populous in game about the importance of issues like the CSM, rather than just saying well they cannot be bothered so why should we.
Hmm, I am wondering how to make this a little clearer to you, since it appears you have difficulty grasping simple concepts. Perhaps the time honoured tradition of capital letters will do the trick eh? THEY ALREADY KNOW, THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. PLEASE CEASE YOUR RAMPANT IDIOCY FORTHWITH, THANK YOU.There, with luck that barrage of highly irritating words, all typed out in capital letters and then bolded and underlined, will find purchase in your brain and hopefully blossom in to a flower of understanding. And you proof that they are educated is? Let me guess an assumption. Well here is a fact, CCP increased the amount it sent to the populous on the CSM and voting numbers increased. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:47:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:THEY ALREADY KNOW, THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. PLEASE CEASE YOUR RAMPANT IDIOCY FORTHWITH, THANK YOU. Needs a font size bump, tbh. I would have liked a different colour as well to highlight the fact that he seems to believe yelling turns your assumptions into facts. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:48:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:And you proof that they are educated is? Let me guess an assumption. Well here is a fact, CCP increased the amount it sent to the populous on the CSM and voting numbers increased. Counterpoint: monoclegate, greed is good, emergency CSM meeting. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
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Posted - 2012.09.04 23:49:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:THEY ALREADY KNOW, THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. PLEASE CEASE YOUR RAMPANT IDIOCY FORTHWITH, THANK YOU. Needs a font size bump, tbh. I would have liked a different colour as well to highlight the fact that he seems to believe yelling turns your assumptions into facts. Unfortunately, no matter how well it is spelled out you still won't get it. The sad part is that you will take away from this thread a sense of "I can handle 35+ pages worth of Goons" when, in fact, you are just confirming how downright loony you actually are. Nothing Found |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:00:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Karl Hobb wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:THEY ALREADY KNOW, THEY JUST DO NOT CARE. PLEASE CEASE YOUR RAMPANT IDIOCY FORTHWITH, THANK YOU. Needs a font size bump, tbh. I would have liked a different colour as well to highlight the fact that he seems to believe yelling turns your assumptions into facts. Unfortunately, no matter how well it is spelled out you still won't get it. The sad part is that you will take away from this thread a sense of "I can handle 35+ pages worth of Goons" when, in fact, you are just confirming how downright loony you actually are. Yes because wanting more people that play this game to be involved in its course is nuts. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:01:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Yes because wanting more people that play this game to be involved in its course is nuts. You can't get people who don't give a **** to give a **** just because you nag them more. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:10:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Frying Doom wrote:And you proof that they are educated is? Let me guess an assumption. Well here is a fact, CCP increased the amount it sent to the populous on the CSM and voting numbers increased. Counterpoint: monoclegate, greed is good, emergency CSM meeting. Was that for this election just gone as it was not for the CSM 6 elections as you have previously stated as
greed is good happened about 22 Jun 2011
http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/06/26/eve-evolved-the-day-that-eve-online-died/ published 26th June 2011
CSM 6 elections results announced 26th March 2011
So the whole Incarna mess was 3 moths after the elections closed. And as to the CSM 7 elections they did not seem to be focused on the mess from 9 months previously. Neither are the CSM now for that matter.
Linking increase voting to things that occurred 9 months prior while relevant I do not believe contributed as much as education did but to be honest but we will only tell if CCP continues to try and engage more potential voters without releasing another "Greed is Good" Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:16:00 -
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I've no idea why you're trying to pull the :img-timeline:, especially since I told you that the CSM6 was more popular than CSM5 because a vast majority of nullsec got involved in the voting process because it turned out that the pubbies weren't to be trusted with not completely ******* over everything in nullsec. Monoclegate, greed is good, emergency CSM meeting just illustrated exactly why people should vote for the CSM7, because CSM6 was instrumental in bitchslapping CCP into not being ********.
And, in case it's still unclear: monoclegate etc had **** all to do with CSM6. Don't try to link the two. |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:25:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:I've no idea why you're trying to pull the :img-timeline:, especially since I told you that the CSM6 was more popular than CSM5 because a vast majority of nullsec got involved in the voting process because it turned out that the pubbies weren't to be trusted with not completely ******* over everything in nullsec. Monoclegate, greed is good, emergency CSM meeting just illustrated exactly why people should vote for the CSM7, because CSM6 was instrumental in bitchslapping CCP into not being ********.
And, in case it's still unclear: monoclegate etc had **** all to do with CSM6. Don't try to link the two. Actually I thought the Emergency meeting just stunk of PR exercise and that CCP was happy to try to make things look all happy as people where un-subbing in droves. But again you are showing things that people who already look at the forums know about rather than those who do not leave the game. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9351
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:26:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Maa Ku wrote:What is that stat?
Number of players, num of accounts, active accounts, characters, time spent in game, current location at a point in time or average time spent ? Number of people playing specific characters at a specific time. No. Number of characters in any sec-category at the time of data poll. It does not count people in any way, shape, or form.
Quote:I am sorry did I pick up the wrong piece of information? Hard to tell. You didn't provide a source. So what is your source?
Quote:So like many games with so many people ignoring the forums how do you expect people to follow what is going on in them? Because they are fed the information without going to the forums.
Quote:Well here is a fact-ábaseless claim, CCP increased the amount it sent to the populous on the CSM and voting numbers increased. Source? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
528
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:36:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:You can't get people who don't give a **** to give a **** just because you nag them more. Quoting because this is the fact that keeps getting ignored. Nothing Found |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:43:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:I skipped over a lot of this thread but I get the gist that we need to do something big to get empire players involved in the process.
On an unrelated matter of concern specific to our 0.0 constituents, the CSM has had much success in our efforts to get CCP to remove the asteroid belts and agents from highsec. We're also trying to get CCP to increase the ISK/hour in 0.0 by actually giving 0.0 players some free ISK every hour but there may be some technical reasons why that can't happen.
We'll keep at it.
CSM troll Best troll.
DarthNefarius wrote:
You forgot to mention CSM7's influence in successfully moving Incursions from HI to NULL next patch but then again besides the cheering on of the decimation of Incursion communities in thier minutes CSM7's silence has been deafening there.
Since everyone in Null is like "LOL incursions" moving it to Null would have literally 0 effect on us.
betoli wrote:[quote=Ryoken McKeon] I think thats 100% true. Its also why some of us suggested different electoral models
Please, tell me more about your suggested electoral models and I will single-handedly tear the theory behind using it apart. Democracy is totally rubbish as it doesn't do anything it claims to do, the only reason its the best form of government is because it is better than everything else.
Unless you have invented a new form of electoral system entirely (in which case PM me with details) they are all bound to fail to do what you want it to do anyway. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.05 00:56:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Lord Zim wrote:You can't get people who don't give a **** to give a **** just because you nag them more. Quoting because this is the fact that keeps getting ignored.
Very true.
But it's the reasons they don't give a **** that people dispute.
Some reasons below:
They don't know the candidates.
They feel the candidates standing won't represent their interests.
They won't vote because they don't see the CSM system as fair of useful and hence don't want to validate the elections by voting.
Because the candidates have a vested interest in the game and as such are highly likely to put their own interests first.
They don't think that they'll stay playing the game long enough to even care who gets elected.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:03:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:They don't know the candidates. All the candidates had written introductions of what they stood for, and iirc there was a page somewhere which compared your standpoint to each candidate to guesstimate which would be the best fit for you.
Sabrina Solette wrote:They feel the candidates standing won't represent their interests. Very little CCP can do to fix this.
Sabrina Solette wrote:They won't vote because they don't see the CSM system as fair of useful and hence don't want to validate the elections by voting. Very little CCP can do to fix this, since this won't be fixed by saying "this is A Useful Thing", it must be proven.
Sabrina Solette wrote:Because the candidates have a vested interest in the game and as such are highly likely to put their own interests first. Very little CCP can do to fix this, the only thing which'll remove this doubt is seeing the candidates in action.
Sabrina Solette wrote:They don't think that they'll stay playing the game long enough to even care who gets elected. Very little CCP can do to fix this. |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:16:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:They don't know the candidates. All the candidates had written introductions of what they stood for, and iirc there was a page somewhere which compared your standpoint to each candidate to guesstimate which would be the best fit for you.
...and of course people that stand for elections always, but always follow through on their election promises.
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Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
85
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:17:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:They feel the candidates standing won't represent their interests. Very little CCP can do to fix this. Sabrina Solette wrote:They won't vote because they don't see the CSM system as fair of useful and hence don't want to validate the elections by voting. Very little CCP can do to fix this, since this won't be fixed by saying "this is A Useful Thing", it must be proven. Sabrina Solette wrote:Because the candidates have a vested interest in the game and as such are highly likely to put their own interests first. Very little CCP can do to fix this, the only thing which'll remove this doubt is seeing the candidates in action. Sabrina Solette wrote:They don't think that they'll stay playing the game long enough to even care who gets elected. Very little CCP can do to fix this.
Of course CCP can fix this, by removing the CSMs and the system of elections. |
Lord Zim
1273
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:18:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:Lord Zim wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:They don't know the candidates. All the candidates had written introductions of what they stood for, and iirc there was a page somewhere which compared your standpoint to each candidate to guesstimate which would be the best fit for you. ...and of course people that stand for elections always, but always follow through on their election promises. Very little CCP can do to fix this. |
Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:20:00 -
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Sabrina Solette wrote:Of course CCP can fix this, by removing the CSMs and the system of elections. "I can fix your broken leg by chopping it off." |
Selinate
984
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:20:00 -
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You know, this reminds me of another game I've just restarted recently called Dark Souls. It shares a bit of premise with Eve where it's fairly unforgiving.
However, when it first came out, the players got all in a hissy fit over just how unforgiving it really was. The game was literally next to impossible to beat. I had to cheat to beat several parts of it, it was just that freakishly hard. The rub? The players complained enough and they made it easier. They gave out humanity (one of the secondary resources in the game) like candy, make a lot of the monsters much easier to kill, changed various aspects of it to make it easier, etc. In many ways, they also essentially ruined the game because you cherished those little bits of progress. The other issue was that they had a cheat in there where you could essentially get max level near-instantly, and never got rid of the players who used that cheat, ergo PvP is a bit of a joke with a level 900 beating on a level 2 player (and other factors added in that essentially ruins PvP in that game), but I digress.
The point is, I think Eve should instead be made more difficult for everyone. Make all resources more scarce. Make it so concord responds much slower and can be destroyed. Etc. Etc. Then again, so many people invest so much of their lives into Eve, I know this would never happen (which I think is kind of sad. You really shouldn't invest that much in an MMO that doesn't really give anything back).
For the fun of the game. The saddest part that people need to realize is that low sec isn't hard to live in, and 0.0 isn't hard to visit. Living in null can be rather tough on your own since the npc stations are typically infested with pirates, but it's still possible. I see a lot of people claiming that soloers should join a corp. Quite frankly, I don't like most of the ******* in Eve, ergo I most often choose to play solo. But still, It's definitely not difficult to live in either, just learn the tips and tricks at how to dodge PvP that you know you'll lose or that you don't want, make isk by exploring (or mining, if you're really that desperate), and go about your business. Hell, if you're ambitious, you can even try building a POS. It's more fun out there anyway, god knows living in High Sec is essentially like playing Dark Souls and just staying at the firelink shrine the entire time. It loses it's fun.
I don't care if that was somewhat incoherent. I'm tired. **** all of you. I just want my new tengu so I can try something new and venture out into null and see what fun I can have. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
323
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Frying Doom wrote:[quote=Maa Ku]What is that stat?
Number of players, num of accounts, active accounts, characters, time spent in game, current location at a point in time or average time spent ? Number of people playing specific characters at a specific time. No. Number of characters in any sec-category at the time of data poll. It does not count people in any way, shape, or form.
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According to the last QEN the total number of characters could be arrived fairly closey by the number of accounts * 2. Dunno if anything has changed in the number of characters per account being around a steady 2 ( main & a single alt ) =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Koba Kyogen
Inviolable Retribution
0
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:45:00 -
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Y'all don't deserve representation.
You have no skin in the game. No blood on the mat.
If Manifest Destiny was left up to you guys - we'd have been ****ed.
Null only survives as long as they run CSM - and hopefully CSM remains relevent to CCP decision making. Otherwise it's the slow roll towards Hello Kitty Incursion Island.
This is like my seventh post ever. I hate you.
Koba |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
323
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:49:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:
You forgot to mention CSM7's influence in successfully moving Incursions from HI to NULL next patch but then again besides the cheering on of the decimation of Incursion communities in thier minutes CSM7's silence has been deafening there.
Since everyone in Null is like "LOL incursions" moving it to Null would have literally 0 effect on us. .
That is bull crap I knew a few in NULL that were running them until the Escalation NERF ABSOLUTELY WIPED THEM OUT I think if Mittani was still on the CSM he may have paid some attention to it since a few of his constituants were affected. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9351
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:54:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:According to the last QEN the total number of characters could be arrived fairly closey by the number of accounts * 2. GǪand we have no data about number of accounts per person (to say nothing about distribution of character and of accounts) so it tells us nothing about people. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
323
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:57:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:Of course CCP can fix this, by removing the CSMs and the system of elections. "I can fix your broken leg by chopping it off."
The CSM if not representing the entire playerbase it can become a gangrene which may require the limb to be sawed off anyways. I tend to think a certain limb was sawn off after last fanfest a little too quickly but its liable to regrow next election unless something major happens. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Sabrina Solette
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
86
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Posted - 2012.09.05 01:59:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Sabrina Solette wrote:Of course CCP can fix this, by removing the CSMs and the system of elections. "I can fix your broken leg by chopping it off."
But if a broken leg can't be fixed it might have to be removed. |
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