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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:20:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Malcanis wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another. Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free. What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair. CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7. If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia? What had the Incarna riots to do with CSM6? They were right smack in the middle of them Guilt by Association & proximaty I of courseblame the CSM's for all of CCP's bad PR that is what they are there for isn't it? CSM was created due to the T20 scandle wan't it?
All hi-seccers are icebots. Delete hi-sec! Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4519
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:21:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Malcanis wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another. Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free. What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair. CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7. If that is disaster free the December 2005 tsunami was a kiddie pool splash wave Got any more lipstick to put on those pigs Tippia? What had the Incarna riots to do with CSM6? Well the PR clean-up included CSM 6.
The difference between a fireman and an arsonist may seem small... Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:25:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:What are you smoking CSM6 had the Incarna riots & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair. GǪand again, the riots were caused by CSM5's inability to get the message across to CCP. CSM6 concluded its business by appearing at fanfest and CSM7 was formedGǪ and then Mittanigate happened.
So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5? WOW that is alot of wool you got Tippia but still I see what you are trying to do there I doubt Spaceship Barbie's scam victims would acceptthat pile of an explaination... reminds me of the republicans trying to blame all 13 trillion of theUSA's national debt on Bill Clinton and Obama =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:28:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another. Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free. What are you smoking CSM6 had [to run damage control for] the Incarna riots [which CCP caused by not communicating what was going on with Incarna] & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair. CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7. That was a kiddie pool splash wave compared to the December 2005 tsunami [actually it was December 2004]. I over-inflate minor things to make it seem like a huge disaster, don't I Tippia?
FTFY "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
752
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:31:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Well then the past 3 CSM's look to me to be one disaster after another. Not really. CSM6 was surprisingly disaster-free. What are you smoking CSM6 had [to run damage control for] the Incarna riots [which CCP caused by not communicating what was going on with Incarna] & the post fanfest resignation of its CSM Chair. CCP then proceded to boot him from CSM7. That was a kiddie pool splash wave compared to the December 2005 tsunami. I over-inflate minor things to make it seem like a huge disaster, don't I Tippia? FTFY Just looks like your arse kissing. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9360
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:34:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5? No. I'm doing two thingsGǪ i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up.
For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 GÇö again, the 5s kind of tried, but they lacked agency GÇö and CSM6 came along to clean it up, which they did rather well. We'll see what happens with Dust GÇö it can turn out to be the thing that sinks CSM6 and 7 once the dust clears (hah!)GǪ
For another, I'm separating person and group. I could flatly dismiss CSMs 1, 2 and 5 as absolute disasters due to Ankh's presence and eventual blow-up, but I prefer not to. Instead, I look at the output of those earlier councils (none or poor), which can then be compared with the output of CSM6 and (in half a year or so) CSM7, and I separate this from the warped and unrepresentative world-view presented by the GÇ£highsec candidateGÇ¥, which in turn can be compared to the representativeness of other candidates. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:40:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5? No. I'm doing two thingsGǪ i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up. For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 .
WOW talking about a long broom... so how do you sweep this summer's awesaum UI under CSM 5's rug too?
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EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:40:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote: Just looks like your arse kissing.
At least I don't look like a conspiracy theory spouting nut-job.
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
753
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:41:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5? No. I'm doing two thingsGǪ i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up. For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 . WOW talking about a long broom... so how do you sweep this summer's awesaum UI under CSM 5's rug too? You missed the super war dec mechanic. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
753
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:42:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Just looks like your arse kissing.
At least I don't look like a conspiracy theory spouting nut-job. No apparently just a gullible fool then. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
355
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:43:00 -
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Posting in a dumbdarth thread. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:45:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:So you are trying to sweep all the disasters away from CSM6 & 7's rugs by putting them under CSM5? No. I'm doing two thingsGǪ i suppose the complexity of it might be tripping you up. For one, I am separating cause and consequence. The Jita riots were a result of the inaction of CSM4 and 5 . WOW talking about a long broom... so how do you sweep this summer's awesaum UI under CSM 5's rug too? You missed the super war dec mechanic.
Bu this wardeck mechanic was overseen by NULL SEC CSM's unless you apply the Tippia Two Step to it too =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Pinky Denmark
The Cursed Navy
196
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:49:00 -
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People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate... |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:53:00 -
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Pinky Denmark wrote:People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate...
I doubt we'll ever get good PvE content until after a NULL buff or 2 then maybe some balance in the CSMs will talk CCP into it. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
4520
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:55:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Just looks like your arse kissing.
At least I don't look like a conspiracy theory spouting nut-job. No apparently just a gullible fool then.
So which female CSM candidate do you plan to be a hugely creepy stalker of next election? Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
616
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Posted - 2012.09.05 14:58:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Pinky Denmark wrote:People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate... I doubt we'll ever get good PvE content until after a NULL buff or 2 then maybe some balance in the CSMs will talk CCP into it. Null needs to be buffed and fixed far more urgently than you "need" your new content. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:14:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote:Frying Doom wrote: Just looks like your arse kissing.
At least I don't look like a conspiracy theory spouting nut-job. No apparently just a gullible fool then.
Who is more a fool? The one that knows he is, or the one that thinks that he is not?
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:22:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Pinky Denmark wrote:People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate... I doubt we'll ever get good PvE content until after a NULL buff or 2 then maybe some balance in the CSMs will talk CCP into it. Null needs to be buffed and fixed far more urgently than you "need" your new content.
Well I'm sure we won't get either in earnest until after Bust514 =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:24:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote: Who is more a fool? The one that knows he is, or the one that thinks that he is not?
Niether: the one whom tries to make up witty quotes about fools has the smallest weiner
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EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
616
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:25:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Pinky Denmark wrote:People in hi-sec deserves good content, but all they ever whine about is pirates and losing 10b isk space pinatas while being afk on a gate... I doubt we'll ever get good PvE content until after a NULL buff or 2 then maybe some balance in the CSMs will talk CCP into it. Null needs to be buffed and fixed far more urgently than you "need" your new content. Well I'm sure we won't get either in earnest until after Bust514 As shocking as this seems I suspect that's something we may both be able to agree on. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9361
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:26:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:WOW talking about a long broom... CSM6 was instated in March, when Incarna was already on Sisi. :18 months: started just before CSM5 got into office. So no, it's not all that longGǪ
DarthNefarius wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You missed the super war dec mechanic. But this HI SEC wardeck mechanic was overseen/done on the watch of by NULL SEC CSM6's GǪand the wardec revamp was a much needed upgrade to highsec with one main flaw: the free infiniwar, which got fixed very quickly thanks to CSM7. It was pretty good work overall, much like your strawman. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2012.09.05 15:53:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote: Who is more a fool? The one that knows he is, or the one that thinks that he is not?
Niether: the one whom tries to make up witty quotes about fools has the smallest weiner In a battle of wits, I will not fight an unarmed opponent. "I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:WOW talking about a long broom... CSM6 was instated in March, when Incarna was already on Sisi. :18 months: started just before CSM5 got into office. So no, it's not all that longGǪ DarthNefarius wrote:Frying Doom wrote:You missed the super war dec mechanic. But this HI SEC wardeck mechanic was overseen/done on the watch of by NULL SEC CSM6's GǪand the wardec revamp was a much needed upgrade to highsec with one main flaw: the free infiniwar, which got fixed very quickly thanks to CSM7. It was pretty good work overall, much like your strawman.
Your stawmen like the scarecrow in the Wizard of OZ just has no brains Keep sweepinging those elephants under the rug & no one will notice the elephant Tippia: the appearance of extreme imbalances of any region/player grounp in the CSM, moon goo bottleneck concentrated in one region, or the current HI SECNULL SEC mineral imbalance, again just the appearances are going to cuase more trouble further down the line adding to the fundamental issues further. It has to do with fairness and eventhough like CCP Soundwave said Eve shouldn't be fair damn the these are 900 pound gorrilas.
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EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
328
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:02:00 -
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Mortimer Civeri wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Mortimer Civeri wrote: Who is more a fool? The one that knows he is, or the one that thinks that he is not?
Niether: the one whom tries to make up witty quotes about fools has the smallest weiner In a battle of wits, I will not fight an unarmed opponent.
What you got against multiple amputees? =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Lord Zim
1284
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:06:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Your stawmen like the scarecrow in the Wizard of OZ just has no brains This word, "strawmen", I don't think it means what you think it does.
DarthNefarius wrote:the appearance of extreme imbalances of any region/player grounp in the CSM What is needed for you to call a candidate a "hisec candidate"?
DarthNefarius wrote: moon goo bottleneck concentrated in one region You mean the thing which appeared all the way back with dominion, i.e. 2.5 years ago, along with a monumental nerf to nullsec balance and fun in the shape of supercaps fuckups and a sov system which sucked all the dicks on the way to the parking lot?
DarthNefarius wrote:or the current HI SECNULL SEC mineral imbalance Which mineral imbalance? |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9363
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:19:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Your stawmen Which ones are that?
Quote:the appearance of extreme imbalances of any region/player grounp in the CSM GǪwhich is a problem, how, exactly?
Quote:moon goo bottleneck concentrated in one region GǪwhich lost one of its biggest champions for change as a result of Mittanigate. Oh, and funnily enough, quite contrary to the whole Gǣwe need representation or what we want won't happenGǥ undercurrent going through this whole debate, that particular issue has been on the agenda since 2009 or so in spite of having constant attention from the representatives.
Quote:or the current HI SECNULL SEC mineral imbalance SoGǪ you want to remove minerals from highsec? Or do you want to seed more low-ends in null? Or do you want to shift more industry slots from high to null? After all, the current mineral imbalance is that the low-ends GÇö most commonly mined in highsec GÇö are in higher demand and need to be imported en masse to null for those projects that can only be completed in null, and that even for the ores only available in null, you want to move most of them to high because that's where the production capacity for everything else isGǪ oh wait, that's a very interesting interdependent balance as it turns out.
The representation on the CSM is as fair as the players want it to be, but again, that's just appearance. This whole notion of GÇ£seclevel categorisationGÇ¥ as a measure of representation is fundamentally flawed and wrong-headed GÇö it's all about the issues, and guess what? This very thread has shown that the highseccers have a much worse grasp of those issues than the suppsed nullseccers doGǪ GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Damu'Khonde
1485
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:27:00 -
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ITT: Zim and Tippia practice their point by point breakdowns.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
315
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:28:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Which ones are that?
You use this word too much.
Quote:the appearance of extreme imbalances of any region/player grounp in the CSMGǪwhich is a problem, how, exactly?
Because players who live in highsec and actually play and not mine afk all day have a different perspective than nulsec people who JC to highsec for isk, trade, minerals, etc.
Quote:GǪwhich lost one of its biggest champions for change as a result of Mittanigate. Oh, and funnily enough, quite contrary to the whole Gǣwe need representation or what we want won't happenGǥ undercurrent going through this whole debate, that particular issue has been on the agenda since 2009 or so in spite of having constant attention from the representatives.
Yeeeaaah you're basically right on the money with this.
Quote:The representation on the CSM is as fair as the players want it to be, but again, that's just appearance. This whole notion of GÇ£seclevel categorisationGÇ¥ as a measure of representation is fundamentally flawed and wrong-headed
Not really. Carebears should have their own rep, an ACTUAL rep who see's the mutually beneficial relationship between high sec, lowsec and nul players would provide diversity to the CSM. Yeah sure the nul people on CSM, despite my trolololing, DO realize high sec can use improvement in some places because well, nul and low need high and vice versa, high needs nul and low. So it's not flawed really, it wouldn't hurt at all to have a balanced carebear on CSM to provide insight.
Quote: GÇö it's all about the issues, and guess what? This very thread has shown that the highseccers have a much worse grasp of those issues than the suppsed nullseccers doGǪ
Not really, it's just troll bait for alts to pose as ignorant care bears. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9367
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:39:00 -
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Anslo wrote:You use this word too much. People use the fallacy too much.
Quote:Because players who live in highsec and actually play and not mine afk all day have a different perspective than nulsec people who JC to highsec for isk, trade, minerals, etc. Yes. An incomplete perspective. Often, as previous GÇ£highsec repsGÇ¥ have shown, it's also a directly harmful perspective.
Quote:Not really. Carebears should have their own rep GǪaaaaaand right there is why I'm saying that seclevel categorisation is wrong-headed. A highsec rep cannot be a carebear rep because then he no longer represents highsec. A highsec rep needs to be able to represent me, who is apparently somewhat famous in my stance towards carebears. Again, it's the issues that require representation, not the sec levels. My highsec issues are represented splendidly by nullsec reps because they have that larger perspective and, persistent but largely unfounded assertions to the contrary, they do have a good insight into highsec. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Anslo
BHEI Galactic Construction The Unforgiven Alliance
316
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Posted - 2012.09.05 16:46:00 -
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Tippia wrote:GǪaaaaaand right there is why I'm saying that seclevel categorisation is wrong-headed. A highsec rep cannot be a carebear rep because then he no longer represents highsec. A highsec rep needs to be able to represent me, who is apparently somewhat famous in my stance towards carebears. Again, it's the issues that require representation, not the sec levels. My highsec issues are represented splendidly by nullsec reps because they have that larger perspective and, persistent but largely unfounded assertions to the contrary, they do have a good insight into highsec.
Alright, I'll own up to this one. HIGHSEC rep. I use the two interchangeably when I really shouldn't. Sorry.
And I agree, like I said before, they have good insight. But the thing is they don't LIVE there. Sure they stop by now and then for isk and trades and lulz, but they don't actually live there regularly. The nulsec people understand the relationship between nul and high and how they both need each other, but what about the players that don't care or deal with nul? Who enjoy the storyline of the game? The Plexes? The one's who'd LIKE to have harder missions or methods to fight gankers on better terms than 8 v 1, some kind of even footing or even method to effectively hire mercs or REALLY collect on bounties? What about them? |
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