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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4511
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Posted - 2012.09.01 03:18:00 -
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but why do you feel that you should make nullsec levels of income in what is nominally a starting area??? please leave |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
655
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Posted - 2012.09.01 03:32:00 -
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Andski wrote:but why do you feel that you should make nullsec levels of income in what is nominally a starting area??? Null sec level income is a fallacy anyway, the income is the wrong way around, a corp or alliance should be supported by its members not the other way around.
There is to much income on the corp level for instance with moon mining and not enough player income.
With luck they will fix this soonish. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1265
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Posted - 2012.09.01 03:39:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Andski wrote:but why do you feel that you should make nullsec levels of income in what is nominally a starting area??? Null sec level income is a fallacy anyway, the income is the wrong way around, a corp or alliance should be supported by its members not the other way around. There is to much income on the corp level for instance with moon mining and not enough player income. With luck they will fix this soonish. I do believe that when referring to null sec income, they mean what players do themselves, not corp ops.
I may be wrong... and I'm sure they will correct me if I am (might be wrong about that too). |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
311
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Posted - 2012.09.01 03:58:00 -
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Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4511
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:04:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian
both CSM 6 and CSM 7 had empire delegates so I don't know what you're going at vOv please leave |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1290
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:07:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian both CSM 6 and CSM 7 had empire delegates so I don't know what you're going at vOv Let's not talk about that, it's too troublesome for them.
What about nerfing highsec pvp more? Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
655
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:15:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Don't get me wrong as individuals I think CSM7 areallright I especially like Two Steps http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html and I think Mittens as an CSM was good but ... its just ...look at thier mandates and alliance constituants that elected them & it reminds me of AESOP's parable about the frog & the scorpian So don't you think educating the populous would be a good idea then?
Or for that matter if you updated your signature to relate to the current CSM.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ghazu
73
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:19:00 -
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Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
517
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:22:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been. I certainly hope that educating the populous will result in more quality CSM candidates like her. Nothing Found |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1290
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:25:00 -
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Karl Hobb wrote:Ghazu wrote:Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been. I certainly hope that educating the populous will result in more quality CSM candidates like her. We're going to a wonderful place, aren't we.
Pass the X-instinct please. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
655
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:39:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been. So you felt that it was to easy to manipulate the voters to get any kind of candidates into the CSM, so voter reform would be a good thing then as well as having more of EvEs population involved in the voting process. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Jonah Gravenstein
1053
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:43:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Don't take this the wrong way, but there's only one thing I see that would increase highsec's representation in CSM: For highsec to produce more candidates worth voting for.
Great idea, a hisec candidate that can unite alliances and corps to form a political power bloc would be fantastic.
Unfortunately null is controlled politically by huge alliances that can pull votes out of their arses and rally behind their candidates. In hisec there is no real political power or control, the only CSM member that even comes close to representing hisec is Kelduum Revaan from Eve Uni. There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null.
I'm hisec pubbie scum and I'll admit to voting for mittens @ the last CSM election, why you may ask? because he ran a good campaign and didn't appear to have his head stuck up his own backside, the drunken debacle at the alliance panel was unfortunate. No matter what people think of the various CSM candidates they have one goal in common, they want Eve to survive as both a game and an example of what a game can become when the makers impose few limitations on what is possible.
TL;DR
We need a hisec candidate that hisec residents can rally behind, one with a manifesto that will appeal to miners, industrialists, mission runners, ninjas and traders alike. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
Ghazu
74
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:46:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Ghazu wrote:Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been. So you felt that it was to easy to manipulate the voters to get any kind of candidates into the CSM, so voter reform would be a good thing then as well as having more of EvEs population involved in the voting process. If it was so easy why would the OP whine while brandishing the signature of a barbie lover like it's holy script or as if he'd witnessed a really profound revelation.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
655
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Posted - 2012.09.01 04:53:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Frying Doom wrote:Ghazu wrote:Just look at how useful issler open the door dainze have been. So you felt that it was to easy to manipulate the voters to get any kind of candidates into the CSM, so voter reform would be a good thing then as well as having more of EvEs population involved in the voting process. If it was so easy why would the OP whine while brandishing the signature of a barbie lover like it's holy script or as if he'd witnessed a really profound revelation. The OPs reasoning I have no idea but when you are dealing with only having to manipulate a few hundred people into voting for someone it really isn't that hard.
That is why more of EvE needs to vote, the current system is very easy to manipulate. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Ghazu
74
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:05:00 -
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I don't think there is a way to "force" people to vote, it is up to the candidates to run their campaigns effectively.
I live in null I will always vote null, I would vote for a csm candidate even if the dude was red to my alliance than some hisec dude, simply because we are in the business of destroying each other.
It's just too risky to vote for a hisec dude, who may be hellbent on making wis into IMVU, then making wis top priority pvp flags in hisec pushing for further safety in hisec. example: despite the huge buff on ehp of mining ships dudes are still whining about poo poo i can't fit my crystals in my cargohold. That the devs decisions can take you half way but the other half relies on the players' fitting choices.
This mentality of refusing give-and-take balancing renders most hisec "opinions" irrelevant. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1290
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:05:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null. Maybe someone should step in and help fill that lack of leadership.
I hear that NC. might soon be free of their sov, maybe this is an opportunity they could look into. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Jonah Gravenstein
1053
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:10:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null. Maybe someone should step in and help fill that lack of leadership. I hear that NC. might soon be free of their sov, maybe this is an opportunity they could look into.
Oh god yes, but please we don't want NC. you can keep them.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
Ukonius
Social Destortion
1
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:10:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:OP seems to have hit a level of bitter so high that his face has collapsed into itself...
HAHAHAHHA I do agree with OP but this was too good. |
Ghazu
74
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:13:00 -
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Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights. |
Jonah Gravenstein
1053
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:21:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights.
You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game, but we're a power bloc that has no cohesion, no common goals and no political influence.
As for the second part, please don't lump all of us together as risk averse farmers with nothing in mind but this next months PLEX, some of us are, some of us aren't. War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
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Ghazu
75
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:21:00 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149709&find=unread lol watchagonna do vOv |
Ghazu
75
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:24:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ghazu wrote:Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights. You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game, but we're a power bloc that has no cohesion, no common goals and no political influence. As for the second part, please don't lump all of us together as risk averse farmers with nothing in mind but this next months PLEX, some of us are, some of us aren't.
Ok, but you guys sure whine about the same things, which is very tangible cohesion, the common goal is more safety less risk. In fact, there are more dissension in null than there ever was in hisec, ie the titan tracking & supercap drones nerf, so it's not like null is collectively banding up to get you. |
Karl Hobb
Stellar Ore Refinery and Crematorium
517
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:35:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game I doubt it. As Tippia is so quick to point out, a large share of high-sec characters are likely alts of people who might not vote high-sec. Take me, for instance: I have all six slots on my two accounts, one of which is logged off in a wormhole somewhere and the rest in high-sec, for the moment, and I consider myself (and have voted as) a non-high-sec voter. Nothing Found |
Jonah Gravenstein
1053
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:39:00 -
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Ghazu wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Ghazu wrote:Hisec is the biggest bloc in the game, comprised of risk averse farmers with nothing but making this month's plex in their sights. You're right about the first part we are potentially the biggest bloc in the game, but we're a power bloc that has no cohesion, no common goals and no political influence. As for the second part, please don't lump all of us together as risk averse farmers with nothing in mind but this next months PLEX, some of us are, some of us aren't. Ok, but you guys sure whine about the same things, which is very tangible cohesion, the common goal is more safety less risk. How many times have you guys veto shot-down moving all lvl4s to lowsec. In fact, there are more dissension in null than there ever was in hisec, ie the titan tracking & supercap drones nerf, so it's not like null is collectively banding up to get you.
More safety, less risk is bad for the game not to mention boring, if I wanted safety I'd go play Hello Kitty Online. The risk of losing a ship, the contents and your implants are what makes Eve great, the moment that the death penalties disappear in Eve is the moment an awful lot of us leave the game, sure you'd still end up with a shedload of carebears flying around in complete safety but they'd get bored real quick, danger is what make the game interesting.
Personally I ninja WHs and do losec exploration as well as running missions & manufacturing in hisec, if CCP moved all lvl 4 missions to losec you'd get very few people running them, only the adventurous would try (probably in cloaky T3's) and the risk averse will just grind lvl 3's all day, then the cycle would start again until lvl 3's are moved to losec.
When I move my operations in the near future I'll be 11 jumps from null, I may just pop in and see how the big boys do it , I'll probably get exploded but hey that's half the fun, the other half is returning the favour.
War hasn't been fought this badly since Olaf the Hairy, High Chief of all the Vikings, accidentally ordered 80,000 battle helmets with the horns on the inside. CCP can't patch stupidity. |
Korgan Nailo
5ER3NITY INC Apocalypse Now.
20
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Posted - 2012.09.01 05:51:00 -
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I must say, that after reading the CSM Summer 2012 minutes I was quite frustrated. (https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=139688)
I was really hopping to go see some abuses of the wardec system, but apparently, that is not the interest of CSM (minutes, page 101): Kelduum then expresses concern about the fact that surrendering grants immunity from a wardec of the same for a period of time, but there's no such period if a war expires by the bill not being paid. Therefore a war can lapse and then be immediately be re-declared. The general consensus amongst those in the room is that this is not a major concern, and isn't likely to be addressed in the immediate future.
I love the idea of the game, the ships, the races, the different rats, ECM, etc. I simply HATE the constant "go to null sec" yadayada.
I then looked into other topics of my personal interest and got really frustrated to see that none of those will actually be improved.
After reading the minutes, my feeling was: "nothing will change", at least, nothing that matters to me, a mere high sec player.
So, yeah, honestly, the whole CSM "idea" right now is a joke. |
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
637
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Posted - 2012.09.01 06:04:00 -
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OP, why do you always yell when you say "null?" Or has it been backronym'ed recently and I'd forgotten... Meta-gaming for carebears:
Whine on the forums like a little ***** until CCP gets sick of you and hands you everything you ask for just to shut you up. |
Too-Boku
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.09.01 06:11:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote: There are no common goals in hisec, every corp and alliance is out for themselves politically and there are no power blocs like there are in null. Maybe someone should step in and help fill that lack of leadership. I hear that NC. might soon be free of their sov, maybe this is an opportunity they could look into.
James 315 is the hero that high sec needs. Bears: set aside your fear and hatred and get behind The New Order. |
No More Heroes
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1307
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Posted - 2012.09.01 06:13:00 -
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Korgan Nailo wrote:So, yeah, honestly, the whole CSM "idea" right now is a joke.
If only there was a powerful political leader who forced change like never before..
http://www.themittani.com Bringing balance to the world of Eve news |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
475
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Posted - 2012.09.01 06:22:00 -
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No More Heroes wrote:Korgan Nailo wrote:So, yeah, honestly, the whole CSM "idea" right now is a joke. If only there was a powerful political leader who forced change like never before.. Yeah, assuming it isn't the Mittani of course. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
231
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Posted - 2012.09.01 06:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Anslo wrote:I do agree with his signature though...
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... Why would we value peoples opinions on EVE if they don't care enough to vote?
Over 10,000 alts can't be wrong?
"CCP, is a cutting edge developer, they have found a way to sell lag to their customers, and make them believe it's a feature." |
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