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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
195
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:02:00 -
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Belshazzar Babylon wrote:Not sure how much more of an outreach you could have. I mean it has a big banner up at logon for a while before voting closed.
A CCP representative should go to each high sec users home (ie mother's basement) and personally click the mouse to vote for them. CCP does every thing esle for high sec people, why not?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
195
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:04:00 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:And a signfigant portion of high sec votes for those null sec csm members, because a signifigant portion of those high sec residents are merely working alts of null sec players to begin with. Then why the focus of forcing hisec residents out to nullsec?
No one is forcing anything. CCP encourages people to experiance the real player driven game, where they can help keep the ecomomy healthy by losing and killing other ships among other things. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
195
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:10:00 -
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Too-Boku wrote:For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.
Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious.
Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly....... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
595
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:18:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Too-Boku wrote:For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.
Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious. Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly....... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if not then that's just sad. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
195
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:25:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Too-Boku wrote:For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.
Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious. Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly....... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if not then that's just sad.
English new to you?
The point is all those high sec people spouting how the game is mostly high sec players (It isn't, but that's what they suggest) should be spending the time they lose complaining to grouping together and killing the Goons and co, who are a MINORITY compared to them.
The fact is, the devlopers made the game to center on player generated content, which mostly means null sec, an the people who don't like null sec are just blowing wind on the forums because they know they can't really change that. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1996
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:29:00 -
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So why is this horrible thread still going? |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1438
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:So why is this horrible thread still going? ISD TYPE40 locked the wrong thread. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:56:00 -
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Sim Cognito wrote:So what? I say.
If the highsec crowd doesn't have people that are THIS into the game, and THAT committed, isn't it only natural that they have no representation in the CSM? And even if they did, what would they push for exactly? Making sure they aren't nerfed? Hardly sounds like a worthwhile contribution to me.
Besides, according to the latest Mittani propaganda, CCP is filing exactly this role, being the advocate of high sec.
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-Don't tell me HI SEC pilots are uncommitted to Eve they are dispossed of the political system because of how the game is set up -HI SEC needs reps for potential stuff that is NDA'd and set in the future not just to protect themselves from stupid nerfs. All I see now from CSM7 is a place to propose nerfs to HI SEC after they cheered on the effed up nerf which killed on the Incursion communities in lo, null & HI. Since FW has a member I don't hear about FW needing nerfs even though 8 day old ALTs are making 3 times what incursion runners were making at the peak. CSM should be about damage control not about whinning about NULL being so spacerich. While they may have lived in HI SEC when they first started Eve they are too far out of touch with most of the player base (50%+) eeking out an existance in HI SEC IMHO
-For 1 if you beleive any GOON propaganda you are stupider then you look & do you wanta place in my corp? its open for a 500 million ISK deposit -Right CCP has to be the advocate for HI SEC because they have 0 CSM representation to do anything else is to start losing subs.
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EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:59:00 -
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Sim Cognito wrote: So there you have it. High Sec's representation in the CSM is CCP itself.
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Then HI SEC has a crappy rep because CCP barely plays in HI SEC from what I've seen from the UI improvements or from the Incursion nerf
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EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4513
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Posted - 2012.09.01 17:59:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:-Right CCP has to be the advocate for HI SEC because they have 0 CSM representation to do anything else is to start losing subs.
Two Step, Trebor, Kelduum, Hans, Issler and Alek are all members of well-known nullsec alliances, right? please leave |
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Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1439
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:03:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote: Since FW has a member I don't hear about FW needing nerfs even though 8 day old ALTs are making 3 times what incursion runners were making at the peak. CSM should be about damage control not about whinning about NULL being so spacerich.
Actually, FW farming is taking a huge nerf.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1865084#post1865084 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1866320#post1866320
Please inform yourself before making wild accusations.
Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:08:00 -
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These nerfs where not at the behest of the CSM though were they? =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
595
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:12:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Too-Boku wrote:For all the people who like to toss around the 80% high sec figure: that stat also slaps you in the face. You could load the CSM with your people every year.
Bears don't care. As long as that wallet keeps flashing, they are oblivious. Not only that, but if they REALLY cared, Goons wouldn't have a single sov system because the high sec swarms of misison running ravens and super pimped incursion Nightmares would be raping them nightly....... I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but if not then that's just sad. English new to you? The point is all those high sec people spouting how the game is mostly high sec players (It isn't, but that's what they suggest) should be spending the time they lose complaining to grouping together and killing the Goons and co, who are a MINORITY compared to them. The fact is, the devlopers made the game to center on player generated content, which mostly means null sec, an the people who don't like null sec are just blowing wind on the forums because they know they can't really change that. No, I'm just not very good with sarcasm. I have this weird paradoxical thing going where sometimes the more obvious your sarcasm is, the less likely I am to get it. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4513
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:13:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:These nerfs where not at the behest of the CSM though were they?
The last CSM summit took place before the patch with the FW overhaul was released. I somehow doubt that they were going to predict the farming.
Let's face it, it took CCP more than a year to fix vanguard farming. This is getting fixed much quicker. please leave |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:26:00 -
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Since all members of the CSM are brought in in a popular vote it is doubtfull that there will ever be a HI SEC representative because the game play in HI SEC does not necessitate a large Alliance like NULL SEC does. Worm Hole & lo sec FW have to bind together also to stay alive so I see how they'd also have an advantage in voting in CSM reps... If CCP or the CSM did want true HI SEC representatives they'd have to change the election process which I admitt is not easy becausehow do you figure out a persons residence in Eve? There are no real homes we're abunch of nomads for the most part. Maybe if CCP made voting a 2 part question: where is your home system & who do you want elected then we could get sector representatives instead of a pure popular vote but of course ifit was done voluntarily it'd be ripe for gaming. =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
595
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:27:00 -
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I don't see what the problem is.
If you don't vote you don't get representation. http://themittani.com/features/local-problem A simple fix to the local intel problem |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1440
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:27:00 -
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Andski wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:These nerfs where not at the behest of the CSM though were they? The last CSM summit took place before the patch with the FW overhaul was released. I somehow doubt that they were going to predict the farming. Let's face it, it took CCP more than a year to fix vanguard farming. This is getting fixed much quicker. They weren't decided on at the CSM summit, but CCP has been getting feedback from the CSM asking FW farming to be nerfed. See Hans Jagerblitzen's blog: http://hansshotfirst.blogspot.com/. You won't find him complaining about the proposed changes, I don't think.
Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:29:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability.
lol then why is TECHnetium been such a profitable unnerfed bottle neck ever since I startedplaying the game years ago? =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings Ushra'Khan
1440
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:32:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability.
lol then why is TECHnetium been such a profitable unnerfed bottle neck ever since I startedplaying the game years ago? Someone dropped the ball there hard. My statement applies there too, but somewhere along the line CCP decided it didn't. At least they're doing something about it now?
I have no idea how alchemy works, and I am completely uninterested in sov warfare and moon mining, so I can't really comment in depth. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Proletariat Tingtango
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
120
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:38:00 -
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Katran Luftschreck wrote:Proletariat Tingtango wrote:So explain to me why the kids who still haven't left Newbie Island should have their views represented at all in a game that largely takes place around them, and not with them. 1) Sandbox means that they get to play the game the way they want to, not the way you want them to. 2) Their $15 is worth just as much as yours. Unbelievable, I know. 3) Your qualifiers for what makes someone a "kid" are interesting. Proletariat TingtangoCURRENT CORPORATION GoonWaffe [GEWNS] from 2012.01.24 16:24 to this day Member for 7 months, 8 days And pulling a random name out of a hat... Douglas BridCURRENT CORPORATION Brutor Tribe [B] from 2006.11.12 08:37 to this day Member for 5 years, 9 months, 21 days What does it say that someone playing for 6 years is still afraid to leave hi-sec when somne noob like me flourishes here? Oh, yeah, it says they aren't deserving of representation and their opinion on the game means exactly **** |
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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:38:00 -
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Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I have no idea how alchemy works, and I am completely uninterested in sov warfare and moon mining, so I can't really comment in depth.
I started researching into alchemy & had a plan to implement it but after looking at all the trainning I'd need to pull it off I igured that only a few months later ring mining would be implemented ( although thatseems to get pushed backall the time sounds like a major new mechanic & CCP is treading lightly eventhough the TECH issue is a BIG problem )
I hear rumors that the old drone region russians have staked claims on quite a few cobalt moons & wish them all the luck i true on geting it set up quickly =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4513
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:40:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Sometimes to keep a gameplay style viable, balanced and fun, you have to nerf its profitability.
lol then why is TECHnetium been such a profitable unnerfed bottle neck ever since I startedplaying the game years ago? I'll answer it for you: because the head of the CSM was the owner of nearly all the TECH MOONsNow that he is not theTECH nerfs ( ie alchemy & pushing of ring mining ) has begun!
mittens was all for a tech nerf just fyi
CCP seemed to have other priorities in mind like "hmm what content should we add to placate everyone who is angry about our neglect" please leave |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:41:00 -
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Proletariat Tingtango wrote:
What does it say that someone playing for 6 years is still afraid to leave hi-sec when somne noob like me flourishes here? Oh, yeah, it says they aren't deserving of representation and their opinion on the game means exactly ****
It says he doesnot have to go to NULL To enjoy the game FOR OVER 6 YEARS & is happy where he is! WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO MOVE TO NULL IF HE DOESN'TWANT TO FORHIS OWN VARIOUS REASONS THIS IS A SADBOX ISN'T IT?!?! =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
315
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:43:00 -
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Andski wrote: mittens was all for a tech nerf just fyi
CCP seemed to have other priorities in mind like "hmm what content should we add to placate everyone who is angry about our neglect"
MITTENS SAYS THAT BUT YOU & i SECRETLY KNOW HE REALLY WANT TO KEEP HIS TIGHT HOLD ON THE tech BOTTLENECK & SWIM LIKE sCROOGE mCdUCK IN HIS TOWERS FULL OF tech RICHES
EDIT opps sorry didn'trealize i had the caps lock on =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4513
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:47:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:THIS IS A SADBOX ISN'T IT?!?!
hisec is, yes please leave |
Garreth Vlox
Blackened Skies The Unthinkables
105
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Posted - 2012.09.01 18:56:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:The meme that CCP has a perennial GÇ£drive people out of high-secGÇ¥ dilema is just a pile of bull *****. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.
The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve.
Also it appears from the way this thread is moving the general lack of CSM represtation of pilots in HI SEC is lacking
You do realize that the people on the CSM are VOTED in right?
If you want a rep get off your asses and vote. You have no reason to be crying about not having a rep if that many of you live in high sec you should no problem what so ever voting in whoever you want. The LULZ Boat. |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
318
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:09:00 -
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Garreth Vlox wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:The meme that CCP has a perennial GÇ£drive people out of high-secGÇ¥ dilema is just a pile of bull *****. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.
The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve.
Also it appears from the way this thread is moving the general lack of CSM represtation of pilots in HI SEC is lacking You do realize that the people on the CSM are VOTED in right? If you want a rep get off your asses and vote. You have no reason to be crying about not having a rep if that many of you live in high sec you should no problem what so ever voting in whoever you want.
Yes but the popular vote we got don't work because its results are NOT representative. We need an electoral voting system in Eve =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
AdmiralJohn
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
69
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:28:00 -
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We don't need an electoral system, we need smarter posters from high-sec. Let me tell you OP, that person isn't you. |
Willie Horton
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:30:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Garreth Vlox wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:The meme that CCP has a perennial GÇ£drive people out of high-secGÇ¥ dilema is just a pile of bull *****. Come on that is a myth thats repeated over & over again by NULL trolls in hopes CCP starts believeing in it.
The only more moronic/tedious myth is James 315's UNABOMBEReske manifestos on how mining is the scurge of all Eve.
Also it appears from the way this thread is moving the general lack of CSM represtation of pilots in HI SEC is lacking You do realize that the people on the CSM are VOTED in right? If you want a rep get off your asses and vote. You have no reason to be crying about not having a rep if that many of you live in high sec you should no problem what so ever voting in whoever you want. Yes but the popular vote we got don't work because its results are NOT representative. We need an electoral voting system in Eve
How come ?I think you need to understand that mayor difference from null and high sec is that people in null play as team.High sec are mostly people that play solo and they dont give f.... about voting.I can bet 90% dont know there is voting at all.
Nothing is wrong with that ,only thing that is wrong is age of pilots that can vote.I am totally ok that null sec people are in CSM ,cause they mostly are making content in this game.Not you not me they are.People are getting lured to EVE cause of stories how this game is harsh not cause people looking at roids or doing missions.I am still high sec player and I dont have any problem if they nerf it to ground.Well who cares game evolves that is it.
Anyway you cant blame null sec people cause they vote,it is not their fault that high sec people are with no organization or any that would look like team work.CCP guard high sec people cause of their lack of any kind of teaming up.Saying that you should not whine at all about any ,cause lets face it name me one high sec organization or alliance that represent people from empire.
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baltec1
Bat Country
1998
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Posted - 2012.09.01 19:31:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:
Yes but the popular vote we got don't work because its results are NOT representative. We need an electoral voting system in Eve
People who dont vote dont deserve any say. |
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