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Vaako Borealis
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Posted - 2011.04.12 13:51:00 -
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Watching forums and fanfest videos its apparent that CSM is a "bad" thing, even more so when ccp actually knows and regards some of them as friends(higher chance csm will support ccp intead of players if they are friends). Even more disturbing is that CSM, as meny others in the game, supports only a few direction ( pvp, mining etc but not pure high sec pve ) which means that ppl like me that rather play with ppl then against them and really hate pvp get *BEEP* over most of the times ( every time ). CSM was put in place to allow ccp to know the "players" a little better but to date CSM has never( atleast it seems that way to me) even responded to any ideas or questions in regards to any high sec pve'er ( 100% they never commented me in any way or form which they will never do. )
I've got so meny ideas and question but so far I think only like 2 of my posts remain of 10+, the others have been removed despite no rules have been broken which makes it appear that ccp/CSM does not want some questions to see the light of day.
I say remove CSM in favor in ingame voting and like limit the voting to 1 vote per email so that those of us with more then one account cant vote more.
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Vaako Borealis
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Posted - 2011.04.12 13:54:00 -
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grr, this post was supposed to be a reply to another topic but accidently became a topic on its own :P
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White Tree
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Posted - 2011.04.12 15:47:00 -
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I assume you had the same objections to every other CSM that existed, yeah? Especially the ones which were composed primarily of highsec players or PVE oriented players, yeah? You did take up this charge when PVP oriented players had no representation in the CSM iterations in previous history because your argument here is based entirely on the idea that there should be fair and equal representation, and not that because this particular CSM doesn't represent what you think are the interests of your group that it is now somehow suddenly a broken institution? This is what you're getting at, yeah? _______________________________________
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Vaako Borealis
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:12:00 -
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I have said nothing about how the csm today or before was composed( what type of member ). Have not and will not as I dont know, and honestly dont care about that part. What I did say is that for ccp to "bring" in friends as CSM members can be somewhat of a scewed act. I also said that I feel that what CSM has taken up with ccp feels to a much larger extent oriented everywhere but high sec pve(100% non pvp).
In addition I mentioned posts that were removed without any broken rules which in any case is odd and then I stated what I think whould be best for the player community. I was not directing anything towards our current csm but to all of those that came before, as far as I know our current csm hasnt really had time to do much.
I will say another thing, YAY! post hasnt been removed and someone actually took the time to read and reply
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White Tree
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:17:00 -
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What members of the current CSM are 'friends' of CCP? _______________________________________
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Vaako Borealis
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Posted - 2011.04.12 16:24:00 -
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Edited by: Vaako Borealis on 12/04/2011 16:25:10 Cant name names as I didnt hear any but I was watching the fanfest videos on youtube where it was mentioned. It was in conjuction with the new csm. however I cannot confirm it was about the new csm or about an old one.
But which ever it was it feels... not good
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McFly
Peanut Factory
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Posted - 2011.04.12 17:05:00 -
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The CSM is just a sounding board that CCP uses on occasion. The majority of CSM Iterations have been either entirely or heavily majority PVE/Highsec interested entities, especially the early ones.
The more important issue is that regardless of who sits on the CSM, they still have no real power. Just like during the CSM 1 elections many of us pointed out that no Multi Million dollar company is going to take direction from a handful of customers.
Keep in mind that CCP wants to make money, keeping existing customers happy does that but bringing in more customers does it better. Especially when the majority of CCP's customer base has been in eve long enough to run out of things to do.
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Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
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Posted - 2011.04.12 17:27:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Draconis on 12/04/2011 17:27:54
Originally by: Vaako Borealis Edited by: Vaako Borealis on 12/04/2011 16:25:10 Cant name names as I didnt hear any but I was watching the fanfest videos on youtube where it was mentioned. It was in conjuction with the new csm. however I cannot confirm it was about the new csm or about an old one.
But which ever it was it feels... not good
So you can't confirm if you actually heard or knew which is which and what is what. You have no idea what former CSM's or current CSM's opposed your so called line of thinking.
Yeah... nice waste of air and trolling that is. If your going to oppose something... put some backbone into it... or walk away. No facts... no background... no proof... waste of time. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.12 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vaako Borealis Edited by: Vaako Borealis on 12/04/2011 16:25:10 Cant name names as I didnt hear any but I was watching the fanfest videos on youtube where it was mentioned. It was in conjuction with the new csm. however I cannot confirm it was about the new csm or about an old one.
But which ever it was it feels... not good
It certainly seems that you have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
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Greased''Up'''Deaf'''Guy
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Posted - 2011.04.12 21:28:00 -
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Yeah.
Originally by: White Tree I assume you had the same objections to every other CSM that existed, yeah? Especially the ones which were composed primarily of highsec players or PVE oriented players, yeah? You did take up this charge when PVP oriented players had no representation in the CSM iterations in previous history because your argument here is based entirely on the idea that there should be fair and equal representation, and not that because this particular CSM doesn't represent what you think are the interests of your group that it is now somehow suddenly a broken institution? This is what you're getting at, yeah?
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Dr BattleSmith
PAX Interstellar Services
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Posted - 2011.04.13 04:06:00 -
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CCP = flawed.
CSM serves one function, to act as a buffer to the General Discussion forum.
This keeps bad publicity from the eyes of potential new customers.
Don't believe me?
Watch the 50 page threads go for months without response. Then watch the same thread get a quick patch within 2 days on General Discussion.
Nothing but a way of hiding bad publicity and very, very occasionally a source of free labour. CCP Nathan "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells" Evelgrivion "each passing year, each failure to deliver on expectations of basic competence" |
Ganthrithor
Caldari GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.13 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vaako Borealis its apparent that CSM is a "bad" thing
Much like your posting.
(The CSM is a Good Thing(TM); getout)
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Kelanoein
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.04.13 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: White Tree I assume you had the same objections to every other CSM that existed, yeah? Especially the ones which were composed primarily of highsec players or PVE oriented players, yeah? You did take up this charge when PVP oriented players had no representation in the CSM iterations in previous history because your argument here is based entirely on the idea that there should be fair and equal representation, and not that because this particular CSM doesn't represent what you think are the interests of your group that it is now somehow suddenly a broken institution? This is what you're getting at, yeah?
Yeah? ________________________________________________
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Kelanoein
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2011.04.13 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vaako Borealis Edited by: Vaako Borealis on 12/04/2011 16:25:10 Cant name names as I didnt hear any but I was watching the fanfest videos on youtube where it was mentioned. It was in conjuction with the new csm. however I cannot confirm it was about the new csm or about an old one.
But which ever it was it feels... not good
The Mittani is on what appears to be good terms with CP, and Seleene is fairly in there. I don't see how it matters though. CSM will do CSM things. CCP will do CCP things. Why should it matter if they are friends? That should only help things really. CCP is quite competent when they put their collective minds to it, and had brought us this much of EVE, with or without CSM's involvement. How much effect CSM has had to date is debateable, which is why I say that.
Don't worry about it. ________________________________________________
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LeBeau
Gallente QuanNet Evolved
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Posted - 2011.04.13 11:56:00 -
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Wouldn' that be a good thing having CSM and CCP as friends rather than enemies?
Being Friends - Makes for a better working relation between CCP and CSM which is passed down to player.
Being Enemies - Makes for a bad relationship between CCP and CSM, thus ideas that CSM have will get ignored.
Some people really need to grow a brain cell and grow some balls and post with their main....
Lebeau Director - HR & Recruitment QuanNET Evolved Corporate To be the best you need to fly with the best |
LordElfa
Tri Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.13 20:34:00 -
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This thread is nothing more than a personal attack on NC and Goon perpetrated by someone who has undoubtedly been anal probed or butt secksed by them before and is now angry that they hold a majority on CSM6.
If not, then why hasn't the OP's valiant opinion popped up in previous CSM's?
You have something against the NC ad Goon OP, get in a ship ingame and handle your business like man instead of cluttering up the forum with tear threads disguised as ingenious ideas.
ттттттт CSM6-Hated by fools for who they are; Loved by the knowledgeable for what they will do. |
Alexander Third
Gallente Crystal Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.26 01:27:00 -
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Troll, Please lock thread
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Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.26 04:12:00 -
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Trolling Troll is Trolling...
IBTL. NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND! |
Ophelia Ursus
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Posted - 2011.04.26 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: White Tree I assume you had the same objections to every other CSM that existed, yeah? Especially the ones which were composed primarily of highsec players or PVE oriented players, yeah?
You do know that there has never been a CSM composed primarily of highsec or PVE-oriented players, right? Running a campaign based on fear and misinformation to rile up your own base is one thing, but being dumb enough to buy into your own misinformation is another altogether... Signature removed. |
Aineko Macx
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Posted - 2011.04.26 06:24:00 -
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Originally by: Drake Draconis
Originally by: Vaako Borealis Cant name names as I didnt hear any but I was watching the fanfest videos on youtube where it was mentioned. It was in conjuction with the new csm. however I cannot confirm it was about the new csm or about an old one.
But which ever it was it feels... not good
So you can't confirm if you actually heard or knew which is which and what is what. You have no idea what former CSM's or current CSM's opposed your so called line of thinking.
Somewhat OT but I can state that ElvenLord was all hugs and kisses with some of the devs at fanfest. I can also state Torfi is opposed to the CSM. ________________________ CCP: Where fixing bugs is a luxury, not an obligation. |
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Xenuria
Gallente Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: White Tree I assume you had the same objections to every other CSM that existed, yeah? Especially the ones which were composed primarily of highsec players or PVE oriented players, yeah? You did take up this charge when PVP oriented players had no representation in the CSM iterations in previous history because your argument here is based entirely on the idea that there should be fair and equal representation, and not that because this particular CSM doesn't represent what you think are the interests of your group that it is now somehow suddenly a broken institution? This is what you're getting at, yeah?
My big issue is that there is somebody on the CSM right now who is also CCP. Not saying any names but I am sure any smart person could figure it out. I personally think that is a conflict of interest.
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Ogogov
Gallente Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.26 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria My big issue is that there is somebody on the CSM right now who is also CCP. Not saying any names but I am sure any smart person could figure it out. I personally think that is a conflict of interest.
CCPSM?
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Opertone
Caldari World - of - Empire Cassiopeia.
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Posted - 2011.04.26 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Opertone on 26/04/2011 21:42:14
Originally by: Ganthrithor
Originally by: Vaako Borealis its apparent that CSM is a "bad" thing
Much like your posting.
(The CSM is a Good Thing(TM); getout)
goonswarm are a bad thing
caldari are a good thing
you are a mixed one!
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Della Monk
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Posted - 2011.04.27 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Xenuria My big issue is that there is somebody on the CSM right now who is also CCP. Not saying any names but I am sure any smart person could figure it out. I personally think that is a conflict of interest.
Even if that is somehow true, where's the conflict? CCP wants to make a good game that people want to play and therefore pay for. CSM wants CCP to make a good game that they want to play. |
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