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Sybron
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Posted - 2011.04.13 13:36:00 -
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Is it true that in EVE you cannot ever make BPCs faster than actually manufacturing the item?
Only reason I am asking this is I am wondering if it is at all possible even with best skills and implants and POS lab if you can create BPC runs faster than if you just produced off the BPO?
Time to copy 1-run BPC > Time to manufacture 1-run from BPO -AND- Time to copy max-run BPC > Time to manufacture same # of runs from BPO
are those statements always true?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.13 13:58:00 -
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If you use the best conditions for both, yes, manufacturing directly is faster than copying then manufacturing (or at least roughly on par). A while ago, a handful of items (very few) would work better copied, then manufactured, but if I remember correctly, that was fixed. _
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Adian Grey
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:19:00 -
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Of course if you have BPC copies you can run multiple manufact jobs as needed. I tend to do mine in cycles. I will max out my manufacturing capabilities and while that is going one I will make copies of the next set of BPO's I wish to produce, then repeat the cycle.
Of course if you have a metric ton of indy alts that isn't a problem.
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Sybron
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Posted - 2011.04.13 15:40:00 -
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Originally by: Adian Grey Of course if you have BPC copies you can run multiple manufact jobs as needed. I tend to do mine in cycles. I will max out my manufacturing capabilities and while that is going one I will make copies of the next set of BPO's I wish to produce, then repeat the cycle.
Of course if you have a metric ton of indy alts that isn't a problem.
I am not sure I understand this...
Why wouldn't you just run your manufacturing jobs right on the BPO? It would be more efficient (time saving) then first copying BPCs and then running off the BPCs.
Your alt doing the copying could make better use of his time researching ME/PE on BPOs, no?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:12:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/04/2011 16:14:35
Well, I suppose he's using minimally trained alts that can just barely copy, and he wants to maximize the production capability of just one type of item per "burts" while not having to purchase several BPOs at once. This makes sense if you have, say, a large BPO collection, much larger than what you can produce from in a steady stream, and you constantly change the item you're manufacturing at any particular point in time. _
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Tau Cabalander
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:42:00 -
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When manufacturing with BPC, the overall time spent is longer, but because there are concurrent jobs going on the overall goal is met sooner.
Example: 30 days manufacturing with one BPO, or 10 days copying + 3 days manufacturing * 10 lines = 40 days total but finishes in 13 days.
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Caldari 5
Amarr The Element Syndicate Blazing Angels Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.13 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 13/04/2011 16:21:14
Well, I suppose he's using a minimally trained alt that can just barely copy (but not properly manufacture), and he wants to maximize the production capability on his main manufacturer account for just one type of item per "burts" while not having to purchase several BPOs at once. This (sort of) makes (some small) sense if you have, say, a large BPO collection, much larger than what you can produce from in a steady stream, and you constantly change the item you're manufacturing at any particular point in time... ...but for some reason you don't want to train PE5 and MP/AMP on all alts (yet somehow you already have LO/ALO to high levels on it/them).
Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch. Although, I suppose, if you CAN predict what the next batch of stuff you want to manufacture will be, this way, you can "burst" a few packs of BPCs, then you manufacture all of them of one type at the same time. Still needs a lot of forethought and OVERALL (in the very long run) it doesn't really matter (just manufacturing from the BPO is better).
Actually if you have a large BPO collection(but with few Duplicates) you can be manufacturing and copying at full speed using all your slots all of the time. If you have a stock pile of BPCs and all of a sudden you have a need to produce a heap of one item you can grab the BPCs and produce from them.
eg. Producing Hybrid Ammo and other items, whilst copying Projectile Ammo, then the market changes you can make more ISK producing the Projectile Ammo, so you switch them over, and you lag time to market on a large quantity is reduced because you have BPCs to fill ALL of your manufacture lines with the BPCs that you previously made.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.13 17:50:00 -
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This of course presumes that you knew what you were going to switch to quite a while before starting, OR that you started making BPCs long before (or with more alts than) you were manufacturing from any of the BPOs. _
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Adian Grey
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Posted - 2011.04.13 18:17:00 -
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Allow me to clarify my position a bit. I'm a small, one man operation and have just started researching my own BPO's. I will ME them until I get down to just trit waste, make a few copies, then queue up the copies for manufacturing (With PE5) and pop the BPO back into M/P once the copying is completed to get the BPO to where I want it to be.
I am working on a set of core BPO's based on my expirence in the various aspects of the game. I am gathering the materials through various means and will focus on 3-5 days of production off of BPC's from my already researched stock. During that time i will get my materials ready for the next batch. I currently can have twice as many lab jobs going as I can manufacturing as I work on a few L5 skills to polish off my researching, then will swing back to increase my indy slots.
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Sub Prime
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Posted - 2011.04.13 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Adian Grey ... Quote:
That's researching them FAR too much. 1 Trit is a couple of ISK, so why waste time researching to that level!
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Adian Grey
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Posted - 2011.04.13 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sub Prime
Originally by: Adian Grey ... Quote:
That's researching them FAR too much. 1 Trit is a couple of ISK, so why waste time researching to that level!
Because I can? And because I'm not queing those up until I have the others up to that level as well. Obviously on some BPO's like long ME ships it doesn't make sense but on some items if it only takes 7-10 days for perfect ME why not? I ran 3 batches of ammo for 450,000 output and sold them all in 2 days at a nice margin. 4500 runs, 3 trit waste per, 3 ISK cost = 40k addition ISK which might not seem like much but when you add it all up over a month's time production it can easily climb into a few million ISK.
Is it penny pinching? yes, but thats my choice :)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.13 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Adian Grey I'm a small, one man operation and have just started researching my own BPO's I currently can have twice as many lab jobs going as I can manufacturing
Those are pretty much the only relevant parts. In that case, yes, making a lot of BPCs to manufacture from while the BPOs spend time in research later makes sense. _
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Vacrivin
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Posted - 2011.04.14 11:17:00 -
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Sometimes I get lethargic and don't feel like gathering minerals needed to do some of my larger runs. So instead I will do copies of that BPO for when I get into the mood, I can get the supplies for multiple lines.
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Proton Power
Amarr Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.14 14:27:00 -
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I make copies of some modules so that when I do build I can have multipel build jobs goign at once than having multiple BPO's.
An example of this is I have 10 Max Researched 425mm Rails (Compression).
I copy all 10 for 3 days, get 100 Copies.
I then take all my alts and install 100 jobs off of just those 10 bpo's essentially. Works well for me.
The other time copies would work as stated above I think is for Ammo.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.04.14 18:51:00 -
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This comes up from time to time - there are several hundred items where making copies and then building is faster. If in doubt, check! --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2011.04.15 17:46:00 -
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Essentially when you need alot of an item (say a market oppurtunity arises) you are better off building from 5 bpcs than 1 bpo (5 times faster). Similarly if you have bpcs you can manufacture from them while doing further research on the bpo. While crunching the numbers implies you are better off just manufacturing from the bpo this is not always practical. Copying bpcs to then manufacture whilst the bpo does nothing on the other hand is stupid.
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