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Jacked One Anninen
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Posted - 2011.04.15 16:58:00 -
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Output Per Hour: 24,230 (is the last cycle of the program)
Total output: 455,223 (is the total output of the program)
It seems to me that everyone is upset about the Output Per Hour value. Ifyou put your mouse on the last cycle of your program you will see where that number comes from. Its not an avg. or est. it is simply the amount the last cycle will produce in that program.
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Invictra Atreides
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.15 23:30:00 -
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lol ... that is wrong.
How it works:
(22+20)/2 = 21 (22+20+17)/3 = 19,6 (22+20+17+14)/4 = 18,2 (22+20+17+14+18)/5 = 18,2 (22+20+17+14+18+11)/6 = 17 (22+20+17+14+18+11+8)/7 = 15,7
This are all avg. values.
On my last 2 day cycle I get 11.245 resources per 30 min. And I got a 30.012 avg. per hour. ≡√≡ |
Satchils
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:18:00 -
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No that value is indeed the last cycle output in the program
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Hockston Axe
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:54:00 -
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Wow, is it really that hard?
Hover your cursor over a bar in the graph. It says:
Cycle 96 = What cycle youÆre on 8407 Units = How many units extracted in that cycle Accumulated: 1888917 Units = Total units extracted up to this cycle 4 Days = How many minutes/hours/days itÆs been so far 19676 Per Hour = Average units extracted over all cycles up to this one
Now look in bottom right corner of the survey window. It says:
Output Per Hour: 19,676 units Total: 1,888,917 units
That was the last cycle in a program I have running. Now lets compare that to an earlier cycle in the same program:
Cycle 7 49837 Units Accumulated: 297632 Units 7 Hours 42518 Per Hour
Now hover over all the pretty little bars in the graph, and notice how the X Per Hour number gets smaller and smaller until it finally matches the total X Per Hour in the survey window. ItÆs almost as if it were an average value.
If that somehow needs further explanation I suggest you go back to the beginning of my post.
PS What people are ôupsetö (more like confused) about is the number under the æProductsÆ tab for routing, which is an estimate and isnÆt in the survey screen.
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Satchils
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Posted - 2011.04.17 03:04:00 -
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Edited by: Satchils on 17/04/2011 03:04:48 Hock you come off as such an ***hole, he wasnt even asking for help
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Cyniac
Gallente Twilight Star Rangers
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:17:00 -
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Originally by: Satchils Edited by: Satchils on 17/04/2011 03:04:48 Hock you come off as such an ***hole, he wasnt even asking for help
While he was not asking for help, the OP was propagating incorrect information. I can understand some level of frustration given the multitude of posts we get on PI which are always variants on the same themes.
In any case - I recommend the OP looks back to his PI systems and check the numbers carefully once again. They might turn out to be quite revealing.
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SoMeOnEVE
Caldari Hall Of Flame Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.04.24 22:45:00 -
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Originally by: Hockston Axe Wow, is it really that hard?
Hover your cursor over a bar in the graph. It says:
Cycle 96 = What cycle youÆre on 8407 Units = How many units extracted in that cycle Accumulated: 1888917 Units = Total units extracted up to this cycle 4 Days = How many minutes/hours/days itÆs been so far 19676 Per Hour = Average units extracted over all cycles up to this one
Now look in bottom right corner of the survey window. It says:
Output Per Hour: 19,676 units Total: 1,888,917 units
That was the last cycle in a program I have running. Now lets compare that to an earlier cycle in the same program:
Cycle 7 49837 Units Accumulated: 297632 Units 7 Hours 42518 Per Hour
Now hover over all the pretty little bars in the graph, and notice how the X Per Hour number gets smaller and smaller until it finally matches the total X Per Hour in the survey window. ItÆs almost as if it were an average value.
If that somehow needs further explanation I suggest you go back to the beginning of my post.
PS What people are ôupsetö (more like confused) about is the number under the æProductsÆ tab for routing, which is an estimate and isnÆt in the survey screen.
I am confused about that too! So what kind of estimate is that? and how come we still have to upgrade our links above that number?
1 more question: Every time when i click install program in the survey screen it shows a number for output per hour say like 8000 units. After closing the survey screen and reopened it immediately it shows a different number, not significantly off but some time more some time less. Not sure why is this but the latter one is the one i should count on right?
Sorry for asking questions in other ppl's post but I just wanted to continue the discussion.
Thanks in advance
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Alice Katsuko
Terra Incognita Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2011.04.26 07:09:00 -
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The link has to be able to handle the highest per-hour output of the program, which may be significantly higher than the average program output. The only real way around this is to create a route for the P0 product being extracted using only a single extractor head, then canceling the program and installing as many extractor heads as you want. However, any P0 which cannot be shipped through the link in a given cycle will simply be discarded, which is impractical in the long run since it contributes to resource depletion but not to your bottom line.
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Cere Sollisar
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Posted - 2011.04.27 00:31:00 -
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Alice is right that the link has to be able to support the highest hourly output from the extraction program, but in my experience there is a more direct workaround:
Check your extraction program graph for the highest hourly output. (Remember to find your highest hourly output, and not output per cycle. Some cycles are shorter or longer than one hour.) Make sure your link has the capacity to transport that output. Click on the ECU, and select "Products". The number listed there will be higher than your highest yield cycle. Replace that number with the number from your highest yield cycle.
For example, suppose in your program that your highest output is 80,000 per hour. Further suppose that when you clicked on "Products" the number shown there is 120,000. To carry that capacity, you'd need to upgrade to link level III, which can be costly in terms of CPU & power. Change the 120,000 to 80,000 and you'll be fine. All of your materials will get through without any loss, though the link will show in red any remainder number beyond what you manually entered for the route.
The issue with the overestimation on the link routing is described in a post at Stratics.
Here's the most relevant quote, with the key statements in bold:
Originally by: Stratics With the fix that we are deploying, the unintentional restriction to the maximum output routed is removed, so what you are promised by the survey window is actually what you get. Due to the dynamic nature of the output of the ECUs, and the static nature of routes, the number shown under the products tab is a theoretical maximum one could output from a program (given the raw output of its extractor heads) and is always higher than what a single cycle of the program will output. Although slightly confusing, this guarantees that you will always be able to route every single unit produced by your ECU.
TL;DR
The ECU product used for routing is specifically the theoretical maximum output that can possibly go through and does not indicate what you will actually get The amount of resources indicated on the graph will be the amount you really receive.
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Neechi HollanderDanny
Sith Squirrels
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Posted - 2011.04.27 09:34:00 -
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1 day 45 minutes - 15 minutes cycle 2 days 1 hour 30 minutes - 30 minutes cycle 4 days 3 hours - 60 minutes cycle (1 hour) 8 days 6 hours - 120 minutes cycle (2 hours) 8 days 7 hours till 14 days - 240 minutes cycle (4 hours)
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SoMeOnEVE
Caldari Hall Of Flame Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.05.03 08:33:00 -
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Opps I guess I missed that dev blog!
Anyway, Thanks alice and cere!
That cleared all the confusion!
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Kelmurdoch
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.03 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Cere Sollisar Edited by: Cere Sollisar on 27/04/2011 01:27:15 Check your extraction program graph for the highest hourly output. (Remember to find your highest hourly output, and not output per cycle. Some cycles are shorter or longer than one hour.)
I don't think this is right; it should read: Check your extraction program graph for the cycle with the highest output.
Or am I mistaken? I though that a cycle's material is all transferred in one big giant transfer once the cycle is over, not by the hour regardless of the cycle length.
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Cere Sollisar
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Posted - 2011.05.05 05:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kelmurdoch
I don't think this is right; it should read: Check your extraction program graph for the cycle with the highest output.
Or am I mistaken? I though that a cycle's material is all transferred in one big giant transfer once the cycle is over, not by the hour regardless of the cycle length.
Kelmurdoch, you might be right.
I just set my ECUs to an 8-day program because I'm travelling for a week. Each cycle in an 8-day program is 2 hours. When I looked at my routing on my 1000 m3/hour link, I can select values up to 200,000 raw units (double what I'd be able to choose on the same link with 1-hour cycles). Unfortunately, I'll have to wait a week to test the links on other cycle lengths. In the meantime, I'll edit my original post to reflect the focus on cycles and not hours.
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