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Max Tempest
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Posted - 2011.04.16 07:38:00 -
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I used to be an on and off player of EVE for many years. As someone who focuses on mechanics and the pure gameplay, I thought the character customization efforts would be the last thing that would impress me.
I was wrong.
One of the main reasons I would continue to get bored with EVE is because despite joining corps and trying to chat with people, I would lose interest in the social atmosphere and leave. The people I talked to felt more like talking to NPCs - people who I had no real connection with. Ventrilo would be necessary to get some semblance of humanity on the other end but I find voices to get annoying after a while and only want to use it when coordinating complex team missions.
When I came back to see these new portraits, I am impressed with the level of detail that has gone into them. As a person who is great at facial recognitions but horrible with names, I can really feel a sense of history when talking with people now. I can just look at the portrait to know who I am talking to without confusion and don't bother with the names so much.
So I am just letting you know CCP that I am very impressed with these character customization changes. I didn't expect to care about this new upgrade but it's amazing how much of an impact such a subtle thing like portraits really improve the social atmosphere in this game for me.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:19:00 -
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Absolutely agreed. I still have my old character portrait, and boy is the new change fresh and very much welcomed. I can really connect with the new avatars so much better.
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Rock Tsingtoa
Nurses are Superheroes
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:24:00 -
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I detect Dev alts.
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rock Tsingtoa I detect Dev alts.
I detect tinfoil hats _____________________ Look down. Back up. Where are you? You're on a forum, with the alt your alt could post like. |
T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Max Tempest So I am just letting you know CCP that I am very impressed with these character customization changes.
You're too easily impressed. Everyone looks like they're all from the same incestuous family. The customizing options are very minimal.
I suspect as hoped by CCP the image quality is blinding you to that fact.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
You're too easily impressed. Everyone looks like they're all from the same incestuous family. The customizing options are very minimal.
I suspect as hoped by CCP the image quality is blinding you to that fact.
Either you have poor facial recognition skills, are looking at the wrong avatars, or, well... you have no perspective on the matter.
Let's get one thing straight: A lot of people don't make use of the full range of options available and just go with the "standard" bloodline look. In those cases, of course they're going to look like they're from the same family. But there are also plenty of people who do make good use of the options available to them, and they're very easily separated from the rest.
You're criticizing the software when what you should be criticizing are the users.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Teranul You're criticizing the software when what you should be criticizing are the users.
Make me a short fat guy. No, forget about the height, just make me so I have more than 10% body fat. Just making me look pregnant doesn't count. |
Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Teranul You're criticizing the software when what you should be criticizing are the users.
Make me a short fat guy. No, forget about the height, just make me so I have more than 10% body fat. Just making me look pregnant doesn't count.
You couldn't do that with the old avatars either...
The fact that we can actually modify body shape, even if by a little, is more of a customisation option over the old character creator.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/04/2011 19:44:51
Originally by: Logan LaMort You couldn't do that with the old avatars either...
I'm not saying the new CC is worse, it's pretty damn amazing for its limited ability however I could make my face a hell of a lot fatter and unique with the old one.
Originally by: Logan LaMort The fact that we can actually modify body shape, even if by a little, is more of a customisation option over the old character creator.
I'm not denying that, my issue is with the limited ability to customize. Its like only having the ability to variate your character between the 1960's Barbie and the 1990's Barbie. Anything outside that norm is not possible. Its boring.
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Yiole Gionglao
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/04/2011 19:44:51
Originally by: Logan LaMort You couldn't do that with the old avatars either...
I'm not saying the new CC is worse, it's pretty damn amazing for its limited ability however I could make my face a hell of a lot fatter and unique with the old one.
Originally by: Logan LaMort The fact that we can actually modify body shape, even if by a little, is more of a customisation option over the old character creator.
I'm not denying that, my issue is with the limited ability to customize. Its like only having the ability to variate your character between the 1960's Barbie and the 1990's Barbie. Anything outside that norm is not possible. Its boring.
...an you prove your point with the dullest, less customized & most boring avatar I have seen ever...
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: Yiole Gionglao ...an you prove your point with the dullest, less customized & most boring avatar I have seen ever...
I'm a spaceship
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Logan LaMort
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok Edited by: T''Laar Bok on 16/04/2011 19:44:51
Originally by: Logan LaMort You couldn't do that with the old avatars either...
I'm not saying the new CC is worse, it's pretty damn amazing for its limited ability however I could make my face a hell of a lot fatter and unique with the old one.
Originally by: Logan LaMort The fact that we can actually modify body shape, even if by a little, is more of a customisation option over the old character creator.
I'm not denying that, my issue is with the limited ability to customize. Its like only having the ability to variate your character between the 1960's Barbie and the 1990's Barbie. Anything outside that norm is not possible. Its boring.
My bad, I got the wrong impression from your post.
I believe part of the problem with height and obesity is all to do with the animation system Incarna is going to use, basically it will be a lot simpler to do if these variables arn't involved. I remember APB had this problem with their character creator and the devs decided to just go ahead and do this huge amount of work and add height/bodyweight modifiers. At Fanfest CCP stated that they were still deciding if they will do the same or not.
I mean I agree, variation is always good, but the tech is there now and I think CCP will keep adding to it. Early days right now.
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Make me a short fat guy. No, forget about the height, just make me so I have more than 10% body fat. Just making me look pregnant doesn't count.
Using an extreme edge case is hardly a criticism of the system.
Billions of people manage to be unique without being overweight or dangerously underweight. Try again?
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Yiole Gionglao
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:20:00 -
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Edited by: Yiole Gionglao on 16/04/2011 20:23:16 Thinking about the height vs animation issue, I wonder how this things are usually done. I guess they use recorded animations that are played back, which means they need a gazillion animations for each combination of action and body parameters.
But thinking outside of the box, I feel that it would be more profitable in the long term if movements were generated on demand as a matter of trajectories rather than playing back some recorded set of coordinates.
Instead of playing back the "move your finger to your nose" animation, the computer could calculate the trajectory of your fingerpoint to your nose, then "pull" the finger accordingly, then the finger would pull the hand, the hand would pull the wrist, the wrist would pull the elbow, et cetera. As there are many ways in which this "pulling the limb" could be performed, the software should be "coached" or "trained" into using whatever set of restrictions* gave a more natural impression to human beholders, so each move was both uniquely calculated on the spot and yet still be a "lifelike" reproduction of how would a human body perform that action.
*I am thinking of each limb joint "flying" inside a "virtual tube" or "flight envelope" of acceptable coordinates, then the mesh would adapt to the coordinates rendered by the path generator for each frame of the aniamtion. This "flight envelope" could be defined by having a beholder watch randomized versions of the animation, then OK or don't each version so the software learned which coordinates look OK and which aren't realistic.
PS: of course, some a parameters, like length of the limb, could be constant and thus onlye angles and rotation should be consiered when moving the joint into the next frame.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.04.16 21:02:00 -
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I'm not impressed. My alt's breasts are lacking a certain.....hmm um.....dynamic, nor can they be made large enough for my tastes. God knows I've tried.
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T'Laar Bok
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Posted - 2011.04.16 21:47:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Kidd I'm not impressed. My alt's breasts are lacking a certain.....hmm um.....dynamic, nor can they be made large enough for my tastes.
Very hard to have large breasts without increasing body fat over 10%. (about 20% is normal for women)
Originally by: Mr Kidd God knows I've tried.
Sorry you can only have variations between 1960's and 1990's Barbie. Anything outside those parameters is so outside the human norm its very rare, extreme and probably even perverse.
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Erichk Knaar
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:10:00 -
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You are a demigod. You live forever. Why would you want to spend eternity as a short, fat. ginger?
I think you doth protest too much. Since the new character creator was deployed, I've seen lots of people use it to great effect creating portraits that don't look like cartoon zombies or rastas. Portraits with personalities and a shadowing of emotion and will.
Don't blame CCP for your lack of creativity and skill...
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Originally by: Max Tempest So I am just letting you know CCP that I am very impressed with these character customization changes.
You're too easily impressed. Everyone looks like they're all from the same incestuous family. The customizing options are very minimal.
I suspect as hoped by CCP the image quality is blinding you to that fact.
Old portraits: I knew exactly what race / bloodline you were just by looking at it.
New Portraits: I can only pick out 4 maybe 5 race/bloodline combos (not including brutor obviousness).
So no, you're wrong people do not look all the same.
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Aprie
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Posted - 2011.04.17 01:34:00 -
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Lol! I like the idea of this thread being nothing more than a dev advertisement.
===== This post brought to you by Quafe. It's the choice of a ****ed up generation.
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Delkana Fox
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Posted - 2011.04.17 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok
Sorry you can only have variations between 1960's and 1990's Barbie. Anything outside those parameters is so outside the human norm its very rare, extreme and probably even perverse.
To add a counter point to your argument, I believe the Limitation is intended because the devs didn't want 4ft high purple men with FF cups running around after Incarna came out. They were put in place to prevent things from getting a little to "silly" for Eve. |
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.17 05:05:00 -
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Originally by: T'Laar Bok Everyone looks like they're all from the same incestuous family.
My portrait resents that remark _
CCP LEADERSHIP MENTALITY NEEDS TO CHANGE FAST ! "New junky features sell, old polished content doesn't" ? KILL IT WITH FIRE. |
Kranwe Sentai
Gallente METR0P0LIS
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Posted - 2011.04.17 07:51:00 -
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I think it's cute how most men avatars look gay or metrosexual. Most of the women avatars look like news anchors. However I don't see the point in the avatar change unless it was to boost interest in the game for some. The old character portraits were more futuristic.
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.17 08:01:00 -
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Originally by: Kranwe Sentai The old character portraits were more futuristic.
Fixed
Not to mention that after all that talk about capsuleers being some sort of elite, all we got is some clothes worthy of a street thugs (for the most part, at least, with robes being sole exception). |
Zarutha
The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.04.17 08:06:00 -
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I agree, I love the depth of the charter creator, and have enjoyed using them.
I do think in areas they are limited, but CCP seems to be working on it.
I guess the biggest bummer is you really can use your character outside of a thumbnail, but that will change one day too.
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.04.17 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Usagi Tsukino on 17/04/2011 09:34:19
Originally by: T'Laar Bok Make me a short fat guy. No, forget about the height, just make me so I have more than 10% body fat. Just making me look pregnant doesn't count.
How.. or rather, why would you be fat?
Even if you spent a month eating nothing but Krispy Kreme and Pizza Hut, chasing it with Red Bull and jack till you got both adult-onset diabetes and cirrhosis of the liver, you could just pod yourself into a proper BMI and functional organ body.
I agree with you that there really does need to be a bit more variation in builds, but certain things (such as obesity) you're immune to when your body is disposable.
Originally by: I'thari Not to mention that after all that talk about capsuleers being some sort of elite, all we got is some clothes worthy of a street thugs (for the most part, at least, with robes being sole exception).
They're likely saving the good clothes to sell us for PLEX. ___
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Eyup Mi'duck
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Posted - 2011.04.17 09:44:00 -
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Edited by: Eyup Mi''duck on 17/04/2011 09:45:36 Well I don't think I look like either a barbie or a news reader - neither do a lot of other toons. The title 'character creater' implies that some degree of creativity is required to get the best out of it. Nuff said.
edit = spelling.
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.04.17 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
Originally by: I'thari Not to mention that after all that talk about capsuleers being some sort of elite, all we got is some clothes worthy of a street thugs (for the most part, at least, with robes being sole exception).
They're likely saving the good clothes to sell us for PLEX.
They give the generic, unimpressive clothing for free and they will be selling the more specialized themed sets. No gameplay advantage, but you're going to look like a boring and unimportant nobody if you don't buy at least one.
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Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
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Posted - 2011.04.17 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 17/04/2011 10:13:20
Originally by: Max Tempest One of the main reasons I would continue to get bored with EVE is because despite joining corps and trying to chat with people, I would lose interest in the social atmosphere and leave.
When I came back to see these new portraits, I am impressed with the level of detail that has gone into them. As a person who is great at facial recognitions but horrible with names, I can really feel a sense of history when talking with people now. I can just look at the portrait to know who I am talking to without confusion and don't bother with the names so much.
Well I like the new portraits too but imagine what if we could actually meet other characters in stations in 5 .. 13 months?
Yes the new character creator (actually it's still just a portrait generator) is far more advanced than the old one but I don't think the portraits are that more recognizable. It's still hair colour/style and backgound that usually make for a recognizable combination. And let's face it, people all being the same height and only a few viable hairstyles still isn't that wonderful. Add to that that the races lost their unique hairstyles and that a lot of people aren't very happy with their new, unrecognizable, bloodline look. It's ok but definitely not "excellent".
So let's wait till we can finally leave our pods before we really start to cheer.
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I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.17 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Usagi Tsukino
Originally by: I'thari Not to mention that after all that talk about capsuleers being some sort of elite, all we got is some clothes worthy of a street thugs (for the most part, at least, with robes being sole exception).
They're likely saving the good clothes to sell us for PLEX.
They give the generic, unimpressive clothing for free and they will be selling the more specialized themed sets. No gameplay advantage, but you're going to look like a boring and unimportant nobody if you don't buy at least one.
Riiight, and the real reason that dude was shot in "future vision" vid is becuse he was wearing some 5b isk jacket |
Yiole Gionglao
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Posted - 2011.04.17 12:08:00 -
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I just hope they will keep developing the feature as they should. More clothes, futuristic clothes, more hairdos, racial hairdos and racial clothes, jewelry, everything that was just an iteration of current features. This new creator is "the inferior prototype from an advanced conception" compared to the "fully developed model from an old conception".
The first explosion engines sucked compared to their contemporary steam engines. So this creator sucks compared to the old one, at least in diversity of options and uniqueness of races. Yet it can grow if CCP wants to. And I hope they will bother to develop this creator into something worth it, with some clothes that eventually look like 23,000 years into the future and not some grunge stuff from the 90's.
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