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Virtue Maulerant
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:14:00 -
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The Drone Proteus feels so bad,it has all that potential but still it cannot sustain 5 Heavy Drones.Any half-serious drone boat can use 5 heavy drones but unfortunately the Proteus cannot be one of them despite even being T3 and fully investing(in terms of subsystems)in drones.
The rest of the T3 ships are considered to have a subpar offensive subsystem as well but at least those fulfil their role more or less.The Proteus having only a bandwidth of 100 Mbit/sec gets a major kick in the face in terms of DPS.
In the end,it's really a shame to let it be like that when a very very simple fix(literally putting 125 in a field)would actually make it worthwhile.
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:25:00 -
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You do realise that you would be giving a drone user race a drone buff and even worse a buff to a Gallente ship.
No that cannot happen, request denied.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:28:00 -
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The Myrm and Eos don't have 125mbit/s either you know. T3s are jack of all trades, masters of none. The real issue is hybrids.
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Luca Atavuli
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:29:00 -
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same goes for the myrmidon tbh, it has the same drone potential as is cruiser counterpart.
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.16 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Baneken You do realise that you would be giving a drone user race a drone buff and even worse a buff to a Gallente ship.
No that cannot happen, request denied.
CCP you forgot to nerf the Ishtar , it still has 125m3 bandwidth, fix this ASAP!!. 
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.04.16 14:39:00 -
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Edited by: Precisionist on 16/04/2011 14:41:10
Originally by: Rastigan
Originally by: Baneken You do realise that you would be giving a drone user race a drone buff and even worse a buff to a Gallente ship.
No that cannot happen, request denied.
CCP you forgot to nerf the Ishtar , it still has 125m3 bandwidth, fix this ASAP!!. 
The ishtar is nerfed to all crap, you try putting mediums on it and expect to survive?The Eos and myrm and proteus need a buff to 125 drone space, gallente suck atm, they have hybrids which are the worst, and drones. Lets be honest you usually do not survive long enough for your drones to work anyways. Buff myrm/eos/proteus and maybe gallente would be worth something again, atm its the worst race of ships. A fix to hybrids would be nice, and would balance it out, but if you take away ishtar drone space you are giving the only soloable ship that costs over 100 mill for the gallente race a nerf that is not needed, anyone who says it is needed are ******ed.
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Tarasina
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:51:00 -
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Edited by: Tarasina on 16/04/2011 16:55:42 A myrm is a BC? I can't remember...but imagine 3 of those, with a full set of sentries 40-50km from gate. Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
20 SBs vs 10 Full sentry Myrms...I don't know the dps of bombdropping SBs but I imagine the myrms would be singnificantly more lethal.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.16 16:57:00 -
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I think there are better ways to boost the drone proteus than to make the ishtar totally obsolete and irrelevant. ---
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:04:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak I think there are better ways to boost the drone proteus than to make the ishtar totally obsolete and irrelevant.
This imo. On the other hand, proteus performs in every possible way better than deimos.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 16/04/2011 16:55:42 A myrm is a BC? I can't remember...but imagine 3 of those, with a full set of sentries 40-50km from gate. Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
20 SBs vs 10 Full sentry Myrms...I don't know the dps of bombdropping SBs but I imagine the myrms would be singnificantly more lethal.
A drake would still have about the same DPS with notably more range and EHP. Myrms would most likely field heavy drones for up close brawling. |
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Luca Atavuli
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cambarus
Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 16/04/2011 16:55:42 A myrm is a BC? I can't remember...but imagine 3 of those, with a full set of sentries 40-50km from gate. Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
20 SBs vs 10 Full sentry Myrms...I don't know the dps of bombdropping SBs but I imagine the myrms would be singnificantly more lethal.
A drake would still have about the same DPS with notably more range and EHP. Myrms would most likely field heavy drones for up close brawling.
indeed, plus IF you went sentry with a myrm, you would have to stay stationary yourself to manage them, where a drake can keep moving.
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ShadowGod56
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Posted - 2011.04.16 17:27:00 -
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my vote would to make the damage output of the proteus drones do about the same as 5 drones while keeping it at 4
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:21:00 -
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Ok I see the point in which the myrm might be a tad bit overpowered with 125 space, but surely the proteus and EOS, NEED 125 drone space to be somewhat comparable with any of the other command ships.
Atm they are totally underpowered compared to other command ships, and all the t3 cruisers out plays the proteus in some way.
Myrm, should probably stay at 100 drone space, but the EOS and proteus should be 125, hands down.
Or be smart developers and fix a broken turret class, hybrids, thanks.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:30:00 -
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lulz @ people trying to compare eos gang boost CS with sleipnir/abso combat CS
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Precisionist
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:31:00 -
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Edited by: Precisionist on 16/04/2011 18:31:23
Originally by: Copine Callmeknau lulz @ people trying to compare eos gang boost CS with sleipnir/abso combat CS
Well astarte is horrible as well if u want to go there. EOS Is a drone boat, it is a battle cruiser hull, why can't if have more then 4 heavy drones out? completely dumbest nerf I ever seen in this game.
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Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.16 18:51:00 -
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Edited by: Linda Shadowborn on 16/04/2011 18:52:17
Originally by: Grimpak I think there are better ways to boost the drone proteus than to make the ishtar totally obsolete and irrelevant.
I wouldnt say totally obsolete, still WAAAYYY cheaper then a proteus. People still fly the zelot because it is cheaper then a sniper legion, or the drake over a tengu etc.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Linda Shadowborn Edited by: Linda Shadowborn on 16/04/2011 18:52:17
Originally by: Grimpak I think there are better ways to boost the drone proteus than to make the ishtar totally obsolete and irrelevant.
I wouldnt say totally obsolete, still WAAAYYY cheaper then a proteus. People still fly the zelot because it is cheaper then a sniper legion, or the drake over a tengu etc.
it's not that.
the reason why people fly the zealot and not a sniper legion is because the sniper legion doesn't really improves that much above the zealot.
a drone proteus with nearly 200k EHP and/or warpscram bonuses however, would make the ishtar obsolete, because of how the ishtar is (restrictive cpu and all that). why would I fly the ishtar, when I could get a drone proteus that, altho costs 5x more, is also 5x more resilient and has more utility?
tbh there are many avenues where you can boost drone proteus, but increasing bw isn't the one. ---
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RaVeN Revenge
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Posted - 2011.04.16 19:46:00 -
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Command ships have WAY better tank. And they help the whole fleet tank as well. This is how they are ballanced vs adding DPS for them.
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Daneel Trevize
Black Viper Nomads
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Posted - 2011.04.16 20:14:00 -
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Tell me again how the Gal CS bonused ganglinks help a fleet tank... |

ValentinaDLM
Minmatar Zaratha Zarati Shaktipat Revelators
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Posted - 2011.04.16 22:17:00 -
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I agree totally.
and to the people who commented about the myrm, CCP gave it 5 heavies originally, but this made it a bit overpowered for such a cheap ship. The proteus is not cheap, and I see no reason a tengu should be way better than a Cerebus in DPS, and tank and an ishtar should outdo the proteus in DPS in that same role. That is not equal, and has nothing to do with hybrids. Hybrids are a whole other issue.
I would also support giving the legion 125mbit with it's drone sub, despite the traditionally smaller drone bays on amarr ships, since that would be some reason I would actually consider buying one, as is I see real reason unless you want a unprobable armor bonus ship. Not saying it doesn't have it's uses, but as a drone user I find it a hard sell vs the curse or pilgrim.
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Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.16 22:38:00 -
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IMHO the Myrm should have 100mb bandwidth, in present form its drone dps potential is no better than the Vexor, the only thing the myrm has that the vexor doesn't is a much better tank and unbonused guns (allowing projectiles to be mounted) and more turret slots, guns are usually only about 1/3 of a myrms dps (maybe 1/2 in a really ganky shield fit). Oh and a fully fit myrm costs about 60-70mil assuming T2 fit, the same as your typical drake, cane, or harbi.
The proteus should have a full 125mb bandwidth, otherwise it does less dps than an ishtar but has more tank, but even then a domi can field a monster tank and is cheaper than both the ishtar and prot and does the drone thing just as good as the ishtar with a ton of flexibilitiy in the highs i.e. neuts, RR, guns, etc.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.16 22:51:00 -
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Agreed -- it bothers me more that the Myrmidon gets only 75 mbits of bandwidth than that the Proteus doesn't get 125.
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Lucious Shakiel
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Posted - 2011.04.16 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 16/04/2011 16:55:42 A myrm is a BC? I can't remember...but imagine 3 of those, with a full set of sentries 40-50km from gate. Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
20 SBs vs 10 Full sentry Myrms...I don't know the dps of bombdropping SBs but I imagine the myrms would be singnificantly more lethal.
You can do exactly that with 10 Ishtars and the Myrms can field a fair amount of sentries AND have artillery.
But for the Proteus, I can not see why it has less drone bandwidth than an Ishtar.
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.04.16 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Lucious Shakiel
Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 16/04/2011 16:55:42 A myrm is a BC? I can't remember...but imagine 3 of those, with a full set of sentries 40-50km from gate. Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
20 SBs vs 10 Full sentry Myrms...I don't know the dps of bombdropping SBs but I imagine the myrms would be singnificantly more lethal.
You can do exactly that with 10 Ishtars and the Myrms can field a fair amount of sentries AND have artillery.
But for the Proteus, I can not see why it has less drone bandwidth than an Ishtar.
Especially given the fact that a Proteus costs 3x as much as an Ishtar :/
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CARE8EAR
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Posted - 2011.04.17 07:48:00 -
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I started this threa a little while ago,
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1491787
The way i see it, if you are using 2x Tech 3 submodules for drones then it needs to have 125 bandwidth...
Make the modules only drone related i.e damage and bandwidth, get rid of the blaster enhancments. (change 'drone synth proj to 15% drone damage.. increase BW by 25 and get rid of the 5% hybrid damage modifier).
This makes it a pure drone boat...
What do you think? (be gentle )
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.17 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: CARE8EAR I started this threa a little while ago,
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1491787
The way i see it, if you are using 2x Tech 3 submodules for drones then it needs to have 125 bandwidth...
Make the modules only drone related i.e damage and bandwidth, get rid of the blaster enhancments. (change 'drone synth proj to 15% drone damage.. increase BW by 25 and get rid of the 5% hybrid damage modifier).
This makes it a pure drone boat...
What do you think? (be gentle )
Originally by: Grimpak I think there are better ways to boost the drone proteus than to make the ishtar totally obsolete and irrelevant.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.17 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 16/04/2011 16:55:42 A myrm is a BC? I can't remember...but imagine 3 of those, with a full set of sentries 40-50km from gate. Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
20 SBs vs 10 Full sentry Myrms...I don't know the dps of bombdropping SBs but I imagine the myrms would be singnificantly more lethal.
cuz them sentry domi gatecamps are so op amirite?
I wouldn't mind seeing the myrm with 125 again, at least 100.
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Songbird
Gallente T.I.E. Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 18:48:00 -
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Domi has 5drones x 1.5 damage mod so basically 7.5 drones effective. On top of that it has enough space for 3 sets of large drones.
Proteus (which costs 10x the domi, or 4x the ishtar or gila) should be buffed by getting 2x damage mod for drones. It's drone bay is smaller. Max it can launch is 4 large drones so basically it will have 4x2 it will be 8 drones effective. It can have only medium guns so compared to a domi it will still have less DPS.
No changes to the ship itself - only 1 subsystem is changed - the 5% bonus to hybrid damage morphs into 20% bonus to drones DPS(vs the original 10%)
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Wardeneo
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.11 19:05:00 -
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Edited by: Wardeneo on 11/05/2011 19:05:36
Originally by: Tarasina Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
What u mean like drakes n canes?? 
Originally by: Tarasina Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
No not really... sentries are destroyable ^^
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Goose99
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Posted - 2011.05.11 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tarasina Edited by: Tarasina on 16/04/2011 16:55:42 A myrm is a BC? I can't remember...but imagine 3 of those, with a full set of sentries 40-50km from gate. Now imagine 10 of them. That is what you would see all over the place.
Don't you think that is a bit overpowered? For a ship that costs, what? 30 mil fully fitted?
20 SBs vs 10 Full sentry Myrms...I don't know the dps of bombdropping SBs but I imagine the myrms would be singnificantly more lethal.
If that's the case, it should already have happened pre-nerf. There is no reason to expect such a new development to happen if the Myrm nerf is reversed. Remember, it's not giving a buff, but rather removing a nerf and restoring the ship to its former conditions. You rarely see Myrms other than piloted by highsec noob mission runners. It's such a shame for a nice model.
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