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Zhou Wuwang
Federal Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:18:00 -
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Is Eve ready to handle the competition? Everyone I talk to is getting ready to put 110% into another, soon to open, MMORPG. While my plan is to only take a hiatus to check things out, not unsub, do others think this might change the look of Eve's player base? I know what many Americans are planning, but does the same hold true for my European and Central Eurasian friends? Will Eve survive what will likely kill weaker MMORPG's in terms of number of players online?
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:21:00 -
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Wat?
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RaTTuS
BIG Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:22:00 -
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I have no idea what you are talking about... post in OOPE and we'll see.. eve will be here for ages
on the off chance just contract me all your stuffs before it expires
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:25:00 -
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Sadly CCP has pretty much no competitors, both on the space MMORPG part as the sandbox MMORPG part, let alone both (i mainly care about the latter one). If there would be competition maybe CCP would stop confusing excellence with introducing new bugs and worse game mechanics.
But how about you start by pointing out about which competitors you are talking.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Sadly CCP has pretty much no competitors, both on the space MMORPG part as the sandbox MMORPG part, let alone both (i mainly care about the latter one). If there would be competition maybe CCP would stop confusing excellence with introducing new bugs and worse game mechanics.
But how about you start by pointing out about which competitors you are talking.
I have no idea but I guess it could be one of these four three:
A, Infinity B, Jumpate Evolution C, Black Prophecy D, Star Trek Online
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Furb Killer Sadly CCP has pretty much no competitors, both on the space MMORPG part as the sandbox MMORPG part, let alone both (i mainly care about the latter one). If there would be competition maybe CCP would stop confusing excellence with introducing new bugs and worse game mechanics.
But how about you start by pointing out about which competitors you are talking.
I have no idea but I guess it could be one of these four three:
A, Infinity B, Jumpate Evolution C, Black Prophecy D, Star Trek Online
Infinity is vapourware atm, Black Prophecy is, apparently, instanced and microtransation F2P, STO is... lol?
only game that comes near EVE atm is Perpetuum, but it's still green, young, full of bugs and green and young. much like EVE was in the first days, as a matter of fact.
anyways, this thread should go to OOPE ---
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:54:00 -
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Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/04/2011 12:54:57 Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/04/2011 12:54:40 eve online 360,000 subs
final fantasy 300,000 subs
city of heros 40,000 subs
star trek online 160,000 subs
lord of rings online 250,000 subs
warhammer 200,000 subs age of connan 220,000 subs SWG: 100,000 subs
and yet EVE is the one people bring up when talking about mmos with low player count. wtf.
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/04/2011 12:54:57 Edited by: MotherMoon on 18/04/2011 12:54:40 eve online 360,000 subs
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and yet EVE is the one people bring up when talking about mmos with low player count. wtf.
How many of those are alts? I got 5 accounts myself atm, I know many who have more. ------
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Elyssa MacLeod
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Posted - 2011.04.18 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Elyssa MacLeod on 18/04/2011 12:58:34
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
D, Star Trek Online
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Is barely an MMO as much as it is a microtransaction *****
Theyve put pretty much every new ship that came into the game right into there
Originally by: MotherMoon
and yet EVE is the one people bring up when talking about mmos with low player count. wtf.
The part you are missing is the "as yet unreleased, upcoming MMO" part, which makes me think this is a SWTOR thread
An yea, divide the number of subs by 3 at least for here to account for bots and alts
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Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Zhou Wuwang Is Eve ready to handle the competition? Everyone I talk to is getting ready to put 110% into another, soon to open, MMORPG. While my plan is to only take a hiatus to check things out, not unsub, do others think this might change the look of Eve's player base? I know what many Americans are planning, but does the same hold true for my European and Central Eurasian friends? Will Eve survive what will likely kill weaker MMORPG's in terms of number of players online?
I have no idea what game you are talking about either, but it doesn't really matter. There will always be the next MMO that will kill the old ones, until it actually gets released and the world we know didn't come to an end afterall.
Just so you know new MMOs don't really kill off old ones. There is always a short surge where many try the new game, but there never is an exodus just because of a new game came out. I think this is mainly so because it's much easier to promise everything and get people's imagination fired up than it is to deliver the goods. It's also becuase all games relying on NPCs for content get repetative very fast, so that surge doesn't tend to last past the few initial months.
What kills MMOs is the developers of those games. They either can't create a working game, can't develop interesting and competative gameplay to it or just over reach and fold or the parent company pulls the plug. Even in a failure the game will usually just suffer a slow decline that lasts for years and the developer can turn it around if it invests in the product again.
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Sullen Skoung
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
What kills MMOs is the developers of those games. They either can't create a working game, can't develop interesting and competative gameplay to it or just over reach and fold or the parent company pulls the plug. Even in a failure the game will usually just suffer a slow decline that lasts for years and the developer can turn it around if it invests in the product again.
See: Star Trek Online -------- Dammit, they killed the post where Sreegs says personal attacks are against the rules. I wanted to lol at him for that |
JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Destination SkillQueue
Originally by: Zhou Wuwang Is Eve ready to handle the competition? Everyone I talk to is getting ready to put 110% into another, soon to open, MMORPG. While my plan is to only take a hiatus to check things out, not unsub, do others think this might change the look of Eve's player base? I know what many Americans are planning, but does the same hold true for my European and Central Eurasian friends? Will Eve survive what will likely kill weaker MMORPG's in terms of number of players online?
I have no idea what game you are talking about either, but it doesn't really matter. There will always be the next MMO that will kill the old ones, until it actually gets released and the world we know didn't come to an end afterall.
Just so you know new MMOs don't really kill off old ones. There is always a short surge where many try the new game, but there never is an exodus just because of a new game came out. I think this is mainly so because it's much easier to promise everything and get people's imagination fired up than it is to deliver the goods. It's also becuase all games relying on NPCs for content get repetative very fast, so that surge doesn't tend to last past the few initial months.
What kills MMOs is the developers of those games. They either can't create a working game, can't develop interesting and competative gameplay to it or just over reach and fold or the parent company pulls the plug. Even in a failure the game will usually just suffer a slow decline that lasts for years and the developer can turn it around if it invests in the product again.
I can make a comment on Black Prophecy as a beta tester.
I have my doubts that it could pose much of a threat to Eve. Mainly because of the hostility that seems common in the Eve community over RMT. Likewise, the fact that Black Prophecy is based on an RMT/Micro transaction system leads me to believe that few Eve players would be willing to move over to it. It is so embedded in the game that they have a small shopping cart icon right there in the in-game user interface. Clicking on it takes you to the "Premium Content" store where you can purchase various things, including but not limited to character stat enhancements/boosters.
Besides that, the entire Instance based system isn't something I'm all that fond of either.
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Kengutsi Akira
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:23:00 -
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Black Prophesy is starting to sound like STO lol ------------------------------------ "You know, my foot oughta vandilize your ass" |
JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kengutsi Akira Black Prophesy is starting to sound like STO lol
It's really pretty... But that's about all I've found it has going for it. ;)
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Zhou Wuwang
Federal Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Zhou Wuwang on 18/04/2011 13:30:59 Certainly developers can kill a game before release or after (SWG comes quickly to mind). I personally have experience going back to UO in terms of MMO's, but I like Eve's depth, freedom, and the fact that player actions effect the game world. That said, I personally know of whole corps and groups from alliances that are already preparing to defect en masse together. I'm reserving judgement on whether the game meets the hype, but it's going to easily crush the 100K subscription threshold for critical mass when it goes live. Like Everquest and then World of Warcraft, this may be another milestone game.
edit: My perspective, however, is from a native English point of view.
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Sarmatiko
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sarmatiko on 18/04/2011 13:36:12 Edited by: Sarmatiko on 18/04/2011 13:35:48 Edited by: Sarmatiko on 18/04/2011 13:29:26
Originally by: JC Anderson I can make a comment on Black Prophecy as a beta tester.
As european beta tester I also can make a comment. That game is stillborn crap without any interesting content, without market and without any rainbow perspectives. You playing 1-2 days and then asking yourself "WTF am I doing in this bugfest???"
The only major MMO on horizon is GW2, because first one had pvp mechanics and all. But still it is not an alternative to EVE, only addition maybe. Other "korean" titles and SWTOR will fail miserably for sure.
oh yes: in before the move.
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:33:00 -
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Edited by: JC Anderson on 18/04/2011 13:33:42
Originally by: Sarmatiko Edited by: Sarmatiko on 18/04/2011 13:29:26
Originally by: JC Anderson I can make a comment on Black Prophecy as a beta tester.
As european beta tester I also can make a comment. That game is stillborn crap without any interesting content, without market and without any rainbow perspectives. You playing 1-2 days and then asking yourself "WTF am I doing in this bugfest???"
oh yes: in before the move.
Half the time I can't even get a station to select when I click on it to dock. :P Spend 5 minutes, click click click, finally!
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Araviel
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:47:00 -
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i remember when a third of eve's pvp player base was gonna leave to play POTB, looking back at that now it feels pretty much like a LOL moment
Seleene > Why do I have this image of Araviel showing up soon with a baseball bat to sort things out?
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:55:00 -
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tl;dr
EvE aint scurred son. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Minarete
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:57:00 -
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I know of many, like myself, that are only in EVE as space filler, pun intended, waiting for something to draw more attention.
While there is much in EVE that I like, there is also much in EVE that I "dislike with a passion" as the saying goes.
I think the Hardcore PvP segment of EVE, is not where the discontent is.
I believe many PvE persons that want to "Relax" when they play a game, are just waiting for the next big title to draw them away.
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Jame Jarl Retief
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Posted - 2011.04.18 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jame Jarl Retief on 18/04/2011 13:59:42
Originally by: Araviel i remember when a third of eve's pvp player base was gonna leave to play POTB, looking back at that now it feels pretty much like a LOL moment
Oi, don't make fun of PotBS! I had such hopes for that game... Which reminds me, PotBS had avatars. And walking in ports. And avatar combat. Didn't help it one iota. Hint, hint, CCP!
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Zhou Wuwang
Federal Laboratories
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones tl;dr
EvE aint scurred son.
If we Eve were sticking to the internet spaceships focus I would totally agree with you. If you look at the updates and changes to Eve since 2006 you will notice less and less focus on the ships however. I'm not saying the new features are good or bad, or complaining about forums, etc. If you simply look at the number of eve updates that directly effect flying and fighting the ships there has been a significant decrease over time. Another big space rpg is riding over the horizon and while the spaceship play looks terrible to me personally, Eve is becoming more and more about portraits and less about spaceships.
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Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:17:00 -
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Originally by: Zhou Wuwang I'm reserving judgement on whether the game meets the hype, but it's going to easily crush the 100K subscription threshold for critical mass when it goes live.
Until you say what game you are talking about I will call you a troll.
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Rek Seven
Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:27:00 -
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Originally by: Zhou Wuwang Is Eve ready to handle the competition? Everyone I talk to is getting ready to put 110% into another, soon to open, MMORPG. While my plan is to only take a hiatus to check things out, not unsub, do others think this might change the look of Eve's player base? I know what many Americans are planning, but does the same hold true for my European and Central Eurasian friends? Will Eve survive what will likely kill weaker MMORPG's in terms of number of players online?
I have no idea what game you are talking about so i guess you are wrong in that "everyone" will be playing a new MMO soon...
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Zaqar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:28:00 -
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We do get these threads every time a new sci-fi MMO comes out. Just for fun, here's a couple from pre-STO:
lol lol2
Yes, SWTOR has surely gotta be better than STO. Still, Eve's quite unique so I doubt Hilmar is losing sleep yet. --
Originally by: Brian Ballsack please learn to use english if your gonna post
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Minarete
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Minarete on 18/04/2011 14:35:39
Originally by: Zaqar We do get these threads every time a new sci-fi MMO comes out. Just for fun, here's a couple from pre-STO:
As opposed to a Reality MMO? (sorry could not resist lol)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:35:00 -
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Star Trek Online ? Flopped like a badly handled soufflT. Which is funny, because that's what it was, badly handled. It still would have not been anything akin to a direct competitor.
Black Prophecy ? It's not exactly what you could even begin to call a competitor to EVE. Just because the game has spaceships in it doesn't make it even remotely the same type of game as EVE, so there's no reason to believe people would flock to it specifically. Heck, "World of Tanks" is ever so slightly more of a competitor to EVE than Black Prophecy is.
Jumpate Evolution ? It died before being born. And even if it would have actually scribers from EVE, yet it still didn't.
Infinity - The Quest for Earth ? Development on the actual game has been paused, and they're looking to rather license the graphics engine (probably not just that, but mainly that). Until they get some serious funding from that (assuming they will, which is not guaranteed), there is little chance of much progress... and even after that, it might still be a while. Hoping it comes out before early 2014 is a tad bit too optimistic.
Star Wars - The Old Republic ? It is essentially an allegedly finely crafted, sci-fi themed WoW clone, with heavy storytelling focus. The very few spaceship parts are basically just glorified "rail shooter galleries", nothing more. I fail to see how that's supposed to attract subscribers away from EVE specifically. You might as well claim Entropia Universe or Anarchy Online would draw subscribers away from EVE. Oh, wait, they never did do that in any significant numbers. Ok, maybe some EVE players that get bored or too annoyed with EVE will give SWTOR a try, but I seriously doubt many would abandon EVE _just_ because this one came out... it's just not a similar game type.
Guild Wars 2 ? The argument is not radically different from the one above, plus it's not even sci-fi themed.
Perpetuum Online ? For what is essentially an EVE-Online clone (the way almost any MMORPGs are a WoW clone), it garnered very little attention from the EVE-Online community other than pointing out that early builds looked eerily similar to EVE. This game actually had the most potential to draw away subs from EVE... but it has (as of now) failed to do it on any noticeable scale.
...so which MMO(s) are you talking about, OP ?! _
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Minarete
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:46:00 -
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Edited by: Minarete on 18/04/2011 14:49:55 I think the larger matter at hand, is that EVE is 8 years old, the % of people waiting for the next title that will draw their attention is growing larger all the time. People just get tired of "The Old Girl", want a fresh new young one!
EVE will not "Die" until CCP says so, any more than the "Other" MMO I played about 12 years ago has died, it is in fact alive and well, just a much much smaller sub base today.
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Kazumi Rose Mai
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:47:00 -
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Bump
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Kazumi Rose Mai Bump
You're a bad person.
Clearly OP is referring to the release of World of Tanks, scourge of bitter vets everywhere. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
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