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Rek Seven
Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:12:00 -
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So IÆm just getting to grips with control towers and IÆve come to the conclusion that the system was designed by a disgruntled employee or some kid on work experience.
It seems like CCP have gone out of their way to make it easy for people to screw each other over. Perhaps IÆm mistaken, so I would be grateful if the eve community can help me with the following:
How do I set a POS up to require multiple director approval to do things like; change the password, unanchore and turn the force field off?
When a password is required, how do i make it so i donÆt have to re-enter the starbase password each time i log on, change ships, etc?
How do i check how much ammo is in the pos guns without traveling all the way over to it?
Maybe you think iÆm being petty and recommend i play some crap game like wow but it seems strange that for a game that is all about player cooperation, itÆs really hard to cooperate.
And yeah yeah, trust is the most important commodity in eve and all that jazz, but we are all humans playing a computer game and even Gandhi might feel like being a douch to his friends after a bad day at work.
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Kendrick Kashuken
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:15:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Seven
How do i check how much ammo is in the pos guns without traveling all the way over to it?
Ha Ha! What do you expect some kind of remote sensor sending such data wirelessly to your control tower? God man, this is a FUTURISTIC SCI FI space game not some crazy futuristic sci....
oh wait.
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Asurymen
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:26:00 -
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I'm in complete agreement, the POS controls are stupidly complicated. On the other hand, the corp controls themselves are hardly idiot-friendly. I've nearly torn my hair out over this god damn Grantable Roles so many times now....
Sadly, the odds of CCP making any effort to rectify this are about as likely as pigs growing wings, learning to fly, spontaneously combusting in mid-air, and having the resulting bacon land perfectly on your plate in time for lunch.
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Efraya
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:30:00 -
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The problem is that CCP are re-interpreting the SQL Roles and permissions into the space ship setting. This is why it's so tricky. You are setting up SQL perms, which aren't straight forward to setup in the beginning. This is the crux of the issue. Signature removed for not being EVE related. Zymurgist |
Rek Seven
Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:52:00 -
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Edited by: Rek Seven on 18/04/2011 14:53:18
This is such a shame but thanks for your replies anyway guys/girls.
I was hoping to get some null sec experience by setting up a pos in WH space but if someone can destroy all my hard work without firing a gun, i think iÆll pass.
I guess IÆll continue to be a high sec carebare sat twiddling my thumbs waiting for walk in stations.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:53:00 -
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If you think that only applies to POS management... ...you should see the corp roles interface as a whole.
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Rek Seven
Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.18 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T If you think that only applies to POS management... ...you should see the corp roles interface as a whole.
Oh joy, i have more to look forward to then.
Is it time for a completely new UI design maybe?!
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:01:00 -
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Wait, are you proposing the radically new idea that the game needs a UI overhaul?! -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
Jovan Geldon
Gallente Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Seven
How do I set a POS up to require multiple director approval to do things like; change the password, unanchore and turn the force field off?
You can't.
Originally by: Rek Seven
When a password is required, how do i make it so i donÆt have to re-enter the starbase password each time i log on, change ships, etc?
You can't.
Originally by: Rek Seven
How do i check how much ammo is in the pos guns without traveling all the way over to it?
You can't.
Welcome to EvE; here's a Rubik's Cube, go **** yourself.
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Rek Seven
Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Wait, are you proposing the radically new idea that the game needs a UI overhaul?!
You mean i'm not the only one that thinks controlling futuristic spaceships with drop-down boxes is dumb?
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Jame Jarl Retief
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:12:00 -
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Said it before, and I'll say it again - passing a user interface design course set should be mandatory for anyone designing anything that a customer might come into contact with. People who have not, should not be allowed within artillery range of anything user-related because they will screw it up. Statistically speaking, they should still get half of the stuff right, but in practice it is usually over 90% wrong.
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:13:00 -
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I just had my morning coffee so I'll be nice. Check this thread. Check the date. Check how many posts there are. Look at your POS. Now back at the thread. Your POS. Now back to that thread. Sadly your POS isn't like that thread. But in 18 months, it could be. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
BoBoZoBo
Foundation Sodalitas XX
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Posted - 2011.04.18 15:32:00 -
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There is a reason the acronym happens to be... POS. I can confirm POS roles/rules/operations are tragically more complicate than they need to be and about as much fun as doing laundry.
In 8 years I have only bothered to own 2 POS' One out of curiosity, the other out of inheritance. I destroyed both of them myself as opposed to the nightmare of running them or dealing with the off-lining/removal process or the emails they generate.
Yes Hundreds of millions is ISK destroyed on purposed out of boredom and spite. It was worth it. =========================
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Rek Seven
Gallente Guy Fawkes Trust Fund
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:31:00 -
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One last question guys...
Do ships floating in the POS shields only get ejected if someone changes the access settings?
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Brock Nelson
Caldari T2 Technologies Unlimited SRS.
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:34:00 -
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Depends on who the ship and the POS belongs to. If the ship belongs to someone outside of the corp's POS, then it may get ejected.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki I just had my morning coffee so I'll be nice. Check this thread. Check the date. Check how many posts there are. Look at your POS. Now back at the thread. Your POS. Now back to that thread. Sadly your POS isn't like that thread. But in 18 months, it could be.
Wow. I missed that when it was written. What an excellent idea (very X3).
I get the feeling POS's were originally a kind-of hack by CCP just to get something working (much like outposts are). Only a complete cretin could have come up with the current concept as an actual design. If I had done that, I would be embarrassed to give the feature presentation in the bored room.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.18 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon
Welcome to EvE; here's a Rubik's Cube, go **** yourself.
I think it would be more politic to say: "Here's a Rubik's Cube, your goal is to leave just one side unsolved/scrambled."
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.04.18 18:55:00 -
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Originally by: Rek Seven One last question guys...
Do ships floating in the POS shields only get ejected if someone changes the access settings?
if you change any settings of what is allowed in shields you can risk getting random floating around ships pushed out, Such as standings, concord standings(As in if the owner of the ship has bad sec status)
Even so you shouldent leave ships floating in space, Maintance array's are there for a reason :P
ship floating in space will: A. Get stolen B. Get your pos killed to steal them C. Read above and check your own corp
But this given, alot of the settings MUST remain as they are for bigger entities ..
I mean have you tried managing a couple of Reaction chains on your own ?!
All the hauling ..... i knew a guy that made 10bill+ on the **** moons in Syndicate, running reactions and stuff, in the end managing that on his own burned him out so bad i havent seen him since, didint even get his stuffs
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Mag's
the united Negative Ten.
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Posted - 2011.04.18 19:10:00 -
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The POS and corp UI has been terribad, for as long as I can remember. The trouble is, when you have people at CCP thinking "the data does not seem to support that polished quality sells", the likely hood of this improving any time soon is none existent.
The new avatars were a great addition, but once you've had your fussy over them they melt into the background. The POS and Corp UI and many other issues however, plague people everyday. This is what CCP seems not to understand.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.18 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Mag's This is what CCP seems not to understand.
They do understand it. Shiny new feature = press release = media coverage = subs. Fixing existing problems that are invisible to new users and the majority of players (who don't use a POS) is probably not high on the agenda. We're the same at work with our products. If a problem is blocking a sale, or a significant number of users are getting irritated by something, it gets fixed. Otherwise, shiny new stuff for the (sales) win :p.
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Koragoni SkyKnight
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Posted - 2011.04.18 20:39:00 -
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These issues are nothing... try to DO anything with your POS. That's when the real pain starts.
I wrote a script that autodumps the EVE cache files across all three of my installations to get around a UI bug that has been in the game far longer than I have. Why did I do this? You'll find out soon enough...
I won't say that the permissions structure is SQL based, because the permissions available in SQL have evolved since EVE launched. The permissions in EVE however, have not. In the end, security is a pain no matter what you do, and a shiny UI sitting over that difficult issue isn't going to solve everything.
I still find the disparity between creating an alliance and disbanding said alliance hilarious. I think that Corp / Alliance dynamics are a bit more important than the POS.
We could make a large dent in POSs by allowing for quota controlled private hangers. Just make another grantable role that lets CEOs / Directors get into those hangers so they can evac stuff. We just need a way for basic corp membership to not require full access to everything to do anything. Maybe after all that works living out of a POS won't suck so bad.
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Xercodo
Amarr Daj'Juntar
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Posted - 2011.04.18 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jovan Geldon Edited by: Jovan Geldon on 18/04/2011 15:09:35
Originally by: Rek Seven
How do I set a POS up to require multiple director approval to do things like; change the password, unanchore and turn the force field off?
You can't.
Originally by: Rek Seven
When a password is required, how do i make it so i donÆt have to re-enter the starbase password each time i log on, change ships, etc?
You can't.
Originally by: Rek Seven
How do i check how much ammo is in the pos guns without traveling all the way over to it?
You can't.
Welcome to EvE; here's a Rubik's Cube, go **** yourself.
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xttz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.18 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: xttz on 18/04/2011 21:41:43
Originally by: Rek Seven
How do I set a POS up to require multiple director approval to do things like; change the password, unanchore and turn the force field off?
You can't do any kind of multiple-character approval like voting, but POSes do allow for a tiered structure. The access tab lets you determine who can anchor/online and unanchor/offline stuff. Remember anyone with the Director role can do basically anything in a corp - that's the point of them. If you don't trust directors then they shouldn't have that role. Use titles to give them the access level they actually need. You can never disable the forcefield once it is switched on, as this would create a fairly major exploit. Only Starbase Config role (and Director) can change the forcefield password.
Originally by: Rek Seven
When a password is required, how do i make it so i donÆt have to re-enter the starbase password each time i log on, change ships, etc?
Don't be so anal about forcefield passwords, basically. Corp Hangars and Ship Maint Arrays can both be restricted based on roles if you're leaving assets there. And remember that anyone Director or Starbase Config roles can just reset the shield password anyway.
Originally by: Rek Seven
How do i check how much ammo is in the pos guns without traveling all the way over to it?
Train the Starbase Defense Management skill, which will let you assume control of POS guns within the forcefield and see their ammo. There may be some caveat to doing this in high-sec though, I've never tried it there.
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.04.18 23:30:00 -
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Ohhhh, ;) Wait till you get to the corp hangers....you're really in for a treat of epic proportions with it's rich array of "features". Buahahaha.
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Sevarus James
Minmatar Meridian Dynamics
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Posted - 2011.04.19 01:30:00 -
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I've been a CEO in eve since 2003. Corp roles/setup and POS setup stuff still hacks me off to no end, and I KNOW how to do it. It boggled me when introduced, and now the bogglement is more "do the devs even PLAY this "real life" game?"
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Jireel
CANUCK ENGINERING Fade 2 Black
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Posted - 2011.04.19 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki I just had my morning coffee so I'll be nice. Check this thread. Check the date. Check how many posts there are. Look at your POS. Now back at the thread. Your POS. Now back to that thread. Sadly your POS isn't like that thread. But in 18 months, it could be.
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