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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.19 01:06:00 -
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As the title says.
Been playing Eve less than 2 weeks. I'm in a mining/mission running Corp and I was really enjoying myself. Yesterday another Corp declared war on us because we wouldn't merge with them. Seems silly but I thought fine, another new experience might lose a few ships no biggie. So I immediately hit the forums looking for pvp guidance, since I am an new player who has been focusing the majority of my training on mining I realized I'm pretty light in the warfare skills. Just then the second in command of our Corp states a merc (yea the guy wouldn't come himself) is outside our HQ so I figure f-it and fit my Merlin with the little I have and undock. The co Corp leader tells me not to attack because the war starts in 24 hrs and we don't have free kill rights. So my co Corp leader sends out a can and of course this merc flips it. I told my co leader let me tackle him and lets see what he has got. Knowing full well we would probably lose(he was flying an ishkur). Just then the Corp ceo logs on and we tell him we are about to engage and he stops us. I was hoping he was going to join us but instead tells us to back down. So we orbit for a while trying to convince him to let us engage, and finally the merc says 100Mil and he will not start the war. Long story short, merc gets bored and leaves and no pvp for me :(
However, while orbiting the sob with my fingers right above the f keys ready to engage, i found my heart racing with excitement. It was then I realized I need more of this!!! I still love mining when I'm feeling lazy but I have always been a pvper and I need to head to low sec and get podded for a while! So my question is, should I start an alt or just switch my current character to training pvp skills? I have completed all the tutorials before moving on and have done a few lvl 1 mission (very boring imo) so I am very green still. I am Caldari but I just finished training Minmatar frigate to lvl 3 so I can fly a Rifter but lack most of the gunnery skills I believe. What would you do in my shoes just start over with a combat oriented alt? Should I change corps? What are some critical skills and tactics I need to at least be effective? I expect to lose alot of ships but best way to learn is to just go out and get your hands dirty.
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hanzyfranzy
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Posted - 2011.04.19 01:16:00 -
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You can either start in highsec or in lowsec (in highsec you bait with cans). In lowsec you will probably be going up against other frigs in belts or engaging pirate targets, but with such little SP you will have to be VERY picky with your targets...
SOLUTION!
Join a pvp corp. You can run in gangs, you won't die as much, and you will get more kills. Eve is a social game, and really, solo pvp isn't really how the game works (although you are welcome to try, just be smart)
Skills to train: Core gunnery skills to 3, ship skills to 3, pretty much everything to 3, then get em up to 4. Minmatar seems to be the pvp race of choice these days. Just look through available skillbooks and see which ones would benefit you.
Engineering and electronics, as well as weapon upgrades and hull upgrades are very important as core skills to start out with, if you can't decide
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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.19 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: hanzyfranzy You can either start in highsec or in lowsec (in highsec you bait with cans). In lowsec you will probably be going up against other frigs in belts or engaging pirate targets, but with such little SP you will have to be VERY picky with your targets...
SOLUTION!
Join a pvp corp. You can run in gangs, you won't die as much, and you will get more kills. Eve is a social game, and really, solo pvp isn't really how the game works (although you are welcome to try, just be smart)
Skills to train: Core gunnery skills to 3, ship skills to 3, pretty much everything to 3, then get em up to 4. Minmatar seems to be the pvp race of choice these days. Just look through available skillbooks and see which ones would benefit you.
Engineering and electronics, as well as weapon upgrades and hull upgrades are very important as core skills to start out with, if you can't decide
Thanks! Know of any pvp corps recruiting?
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hanzyfranzy
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Posted - 2011.04.19 01:25:00 -
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http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=channel&channelID=109585
^^ Recruitment section of the forums
You can also join the in-game channel "RECRUITMENT" and there will be a bunch of people spamming their corp's information. :)
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.04.19 03:00:00 -
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Suggest you try either Red vs Blue or Faction Warfare.
If you like your corp and/or don't want to be in a war 23.5/7, maybe a pvp alt is the way to go - keep current char for missioning, trade/mining etc... It is also great to have someone to move stuff around for you in high sec that isn't flashy red(orange...) to someone else
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Anton Silvano
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Posted - 2011.04.19 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: CaptClegg As the title says.
Been playing Eve less than 2 weeks. I'm in a mining/mission running Corp and I was really enjoying myself. Yesterday another Corp declared war on us because we wouldn't merge with them.
Join the corp that war dec'ed you? You'll dismay your old corp with your scary awox'er ways, and your new corp will forever think you're a spy... but who knows, it could work for ya.
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lordlulzs
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Posted - 2011.04.19 04:34:00 -
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Edited by: lordlulzs on 19/04/2011 04:34:14 You don't want to be a carebear?
Then do not delude yourself to thinking anything that happens in high sec to be pvp.
Don't let others tell you otherwise.
Real balls and pvp occur everywhere except high sec.
yup..
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KiloAlpha
Alpha Privateer Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.04.19 06:10:00 -
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If you are looking to get into pvp one of the best corps i could recommend is Southern Cross Empire(SCE). They are the training corp for Flying Dangerous(FIGL). They have no SP minimum like many alliances, and have great leadership. They will provide T1 cruisers for new players so you can learn the ropes while still participating in OPs.
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Taurean Eltanin
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Posted - 2011.04.19 09:58:00 -
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Your situation sounds very similar to mine about 3 months ago.
Like many new pilots, I knew from the outset that I wanted to pvp. In fact, I pvp in any computer game I play, as destroying computer generated enemies gets old fast.
Looking around the web, everyone seems to have an opinion about how to get into pvp. Most advice is to join some kind of organisation (Faction Warfare, Red v Blue, pvp corp, etc) and learn from those who already know the ropes.
The trouble is, it is very difficult to tell the good pvpers from the hacks without being good at pvp yourself. And even good pvpers may not actually be good at teaching, which is an altogether different skill.
Also, I learn by doing. I can read advice (like how to use the D-Scanner) many times, but it's only after I actually do it (over, and over again) that I actually get it. And getting it is key to pvp in any game. The pilot that wins in a novel situation is not the pilot that has memorised habits and reactions - that's called drill and is useful in coordinating large groups - but the one that understands the fundamental principles governing the conflict.
So I am going to learn by doing. I've bought myself 20 Punishers, and I'm going to loose them all.
Every. Single. One.
And after each loss, I'm going to reflect on what I did wrong, and what I could have done better.
It's not much of a plan - but it's the one I've got.
I'm nearing the end of the Punisher Plan now, and I can honestly say that it has been a fantastic experience. Although I have a lot more to learn, I am much, much better pvper that I was, and I am starting to win more than I lose. I even have some above class solo kills.
If you think it would be helpful, you can follow my hard earned learning curve on my blog.
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Titus Io
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.04.19 12:15:00 -
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There are a few player starter corps out there that could be right for you. I've been told EVE Uni is decent and RvB can teach you the ropes quite well.
I found myself in the same position as you back when I started EVE. I quit the mining training and moved straight on to PvP training. Haven't looked back since.
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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.19 12:19:00 -
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Thanks for all the excellent responses. I will be looking into the suggested corps. Another question, what should be my skill priorities?
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Justcheckingthemarket
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Posted - 2011.04.19 12:40:00 -
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Well, rifters are a good place to start. Get decent skills with a rifter first. Get frig IV then skill up to T2 fit it. Decent gunnery support skills also. Then you're set to get frig V and move on to T2 frigs like interceptors and Assault frigs.
There are various theories about the best way to move up the chain of PvP (I know people who didn't PvP until they could fly battleships) but T2 frigs are the quickest way to become useful in a gang. Tackle is always needed.
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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:21:00 -
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My plans are to join a corp asap but im sure there will be times I roam solo. Also, I would love to be a tackle for a while and get to know the ropes. The more I think about t I think I will make an alt so my mining character keeps me with a steady flow of isk. Should I go with minmatar or is there a better race to start with? (I know race doesn't matter because u can fly any ship but I want to maximize the free ships u get from running the tutorial missions.)
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Jaik7
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Posted - 2011.04.19 14:09:00 -
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there's a reason people hate falcons, i personally only hate them when it does not belong to me or a purple guy
caldari t2 cruiser has a lot going for it in my opinion. that's my opinion, and not neccisarily a fact. not only do you get the falcon, but the same kinds of skills puts you in a Rook, which i'm told can solo pvp awesomely. i've ecm tanked, and it's a thrill not knowing whether the next cycle will work or not. if it works, you get twenty more seconds of blowing them up. if it doesnt, you hope they can't break your tank before the next cycle hits.
ecm is electranic warfare. it uses specialized modules to shut down the hostile's targeting systems. no targeting means no weapons lock means no weapons. if i were you, i'd focus in on the caldari stuff.
aside from the ecm, caldari t2 cruisers have the basilisk, which is capable of linking together with another basilisk and putting a capital ship class tank on any target. this tactic is usually used when in a larger gang that can spare two pilots to the cause.
however, if you want to go for aggresive action, do more damage and have fun without worring about the finer points of tactics, you will enjoy minmatar. just remember, your autocannons are the artillery of short ranged guns, so be sure to keep range on your targets.
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Merrik Talorra
Northstar Cabal R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: KiloAlpha If you are looking to get into pvp one of the best corps i could recommend is Southern Cross Empire(SCE). They are the training corp for Flying Dangerous(FIGL). They have no SP minimum like many alliances, and have great leadership. They will provide T1 cruisers for new players so you can learn the ropes while still participating in OPs.
I had a friend who went to Southern Cross Empire, and then into Incorporated. He had a blast and had nothing but good things to say about them.
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rumncock
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Posted - 2011.04.19 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: CaptClegg Should I go with minmatar or is there a better race to start with? (I know race doesn't matter because u can fly any ship but I want to maximize the free ships u get from tutorial
Sounds like you want to run two characters on the same account, not something I normaly recommend (unless one of the char's is maxed at what he does but that's not the case here).
Also, not sure how many times in this thread you want us to say rifter again.
In any case, good choice, mining is for people with atleast 4 max hulks and an orca account while rifters is for everyone :)
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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.19 17:36:00 -
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Originally by: rumn****
Originally by: CaptClegg Should I go with minmatar or is there a better race to start with? (I know race doesn't matter because u can fly any ship but I want to maximize the free ships u get from tutorial
Sounds like you want to run two characters on the same account, not something I normaly recommend (unless one of the char's is maxed at what he does but that's not the case here).
Also, not sure how many times in this thread you want us to say rifter again.
In any case, good choice, mining is for people with atleast 4 max hulks and an orca account while rifters is for everyone :)
No I plan having 2 separate accounts.
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Conor Todaki
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
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Posted - 2011.04.19 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Jaik7 there's a reason people hate falcons, i personally only hate them when it does not belong to me or a purple guy
caldari t2 cruiser has a lot going for it in my opinion. that's my opinion, and not neccisarily a fact. not only do you get the falcon, but the same kinds of skills puts you in a Rook, which i'm told can solo pvp awesomely. i've ecm tanked, and it's a thrill not knowing whether the next cycle will work or not. if it works, you get twenty more seconds of blowing them up. if it doesnt, you hope they can't break your tank before the next cycle hits.
ecm is electranic warfare. it uses specialized modules to shut down the hostile's targeting systems. no targeting means no weapons lock means no weapons. if i were you, i'd focus in on the caldari stuff.
aside from the ecm, caldari t2 cruisers have the basilisk, which is capable of linking together with another basilisk and putting a capital ship class tank on any target. this tactic is usually used when in a larger gang that can spare two pilots to the cause.
however, if you want to go for aggresive action, do more damage and have fun without worring about the finer points of tactics, you will enjoy minmatar. just remember, your autocannons are the artillery of short ranged guns, so be sure to keep range on your targets.
Two Bassies defiently do not put out capital RR strength. You need 12 and a half to match a triage carrier.
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rumncock
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Posted - 2011.04.19 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: CaptClegg No I plan having 2 separate accounts.
oh very well then. Then it's an excellent idea in every way :)
Even if I hated a bit on the single miner it will still provide an steady stream of frigs and is an start of things to come.
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Solomar Espersei
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.04.19 20:28:00 -
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You could always... you know... join the anti-carebears. We're currently recruiting and know a thing or three about shooting stuff. _____________________________________ Join our public channel "Ninja Dojo" Recruiting is now: OPEN http://ninjaextravaganza.wordpress.com/Ninja Extravaganza, Strategies for Ninja Salvagers[ |
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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.19 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Solomar Espersei You could always... you know... join the anti-carebears. We're currently recruiting and know a thing or three about shooting stuff.
You have peaked my interest! Do you have a website or can you point me in the direction for more info?
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KrustyKrab
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.19 23:19:00 -
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that adrenaline-fueled heart-pounding sweaty-armpit feeling? Welcome to the best part of Eve (well, any game as I've never had the rush I do in any game as when I'm doing pvp in Eve).
I highly recommend Red v Blue as well for chars with low skillpoints like yours. They'll help you learn how to fly your frigate(s) which in turn helps you learn each successive ship class you get into better.
If you are going for two accounts, minmatar + caldari is a good path. I like the tanky drake + face melting neut-cane. Good combo. Amarr is was a lot tougher for me as the support requirements to get into good dps + good tank are pretty high. Not impossible, but a Harbinger is for me the hardest bc to fit properly. Super face melter though when you start getting L5 skills and T2 weaps.
Gallente...for me Gallente is pretty 'specific'. Meaning I use them only in specific situations as they aren't really ideal for most gangs that we run. If you aren't flashy red and catching aggro on gates/stations then I suppose it is better (lose a lot of drones to sentry guns lol), but blasters are kinda terribad unless you got the target wearing concrete shoes.
Being a pirate is pretty tough for a while if you don't have an alt that can grind up some isk. But I can highly recommend once you get your feet wet to become a pirate. Most fun I've had in Eve in about 7 years (been playing off and mostly on since beta). Stuff goes here |
Gladienne
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Posted - 2011.04.19 23:48:00 -
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Sounds like Red vs Blue, where the fight is constantly on, would work for you - you'd learn a lot about pvp in different set-ups in a laid back atmosphere with lots of laughs and cool people. An a rifter is enough to start with ;-) Check out this thread for some basic info or the in-game chat channel R-V-B, if you're interested, there's practically always some of us there - we'll gladly answer any questions :-) Fly safe, Gladienne
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FutureTroll5000
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Posted - 2011.04.20 00:28:00 -
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Red v Blue would be "sensible" for you. But it's sort of like a "EVE University Lite" in that they will pick engagements for your side, and also restrict ECM.
really, judging by you initial emotional excitement at the prospect of blowing a guy up, or getting blown up, you need to just join almost any low-sec pirate corp. you will get it immediately. You already said you will run 2 accounts, the other account can be to fund your losses.
just join some crazy ass lo-sec corp.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.04.20 03:08:00 -
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Just a general tip - do not join any corp that requires you to hand over isk or your ships for transport etc... They should want you to join for the sake of you joining. API is of course fine to hand over if required...
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Akatenshi Xi
Amarr Elite Shadow Society
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Posted - 2011.04.20 03:31:00 -
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Pew pew is good for the soul.
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Brynhilda
Amarr Gun Metal Hit Sqaud
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Posted - 2011.04.20 06:05:00 -
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Back when I was beautiful, I got recruited by my first corp in one of their recruiting sessions. Old time vets of the corp were talking about how us new folk should learn the ways of the PVP and the best way was to go into Low Sec and maul something.
I decided to show him that I was no carebear so I took my poorly fitted Navy Slicer fitted with Meta 1 lasers and a warp core stabilizer and took out into Gallente Low Sec. Only one person was there so I went through the belts until I found his Kestrel attacking Gallente ships in the belts. I quickly charged him and attacked...and he got out of scram range right before he exploded due to the fact that Kestrels don't rat well against Serpentis Cruisers when a poorly fit Slicer attacks them. My first kill and I warp back to the gates...to have the gate guns attack me! OH NOES! I warp away and hide in the planets when I saw that the guy I blew up was back in a Cynabal. Upon checking the skills of the Cynabal, I decided that maybe I shouldn't engage that so I warp from planet to planet and then get out when my GCC went up.
Looking back at it, it turns out that I blew up a rather skilled and notorious pirate in that system who currently has over 500 kills and less than 120 losses.
I didn't REALLY get into PVP until the closing hours of a wardec against a corp that ironically part of my alliance now. I went to their home system in my (now WELL fitted) Slicer to annoy them. They came out in force, bringing Dramiels, Zealots and Abaddons and proceeded to chase me all over Caldari space, trying to catch a runaway Slicer until I ended up in Oijanen, my corp's local low sec where I hung out by the gate with bomber support waiting.
Eventually, a red bomber came in which I quickly locked and destroyed. I then locked the pod and went for it to...BUT IT WAS BAIT! The rest of the red fleet came in as I flew away in my death machine and warped to a corpmate who had a safe spot. The damage was done, though.
I needed more blood. I needed to spill more blood in the name of Asgard. My first podding was one to remember as I wanted more blood.
Since then, I've raided the local area and drove the local can miners up the wall as they learned to fear whenever Valkyrie Byrnhildr was in town. Eventually, I moved to attacking people outright in Low Sec where I still need to master the art of attacking people under gate guns...
It's been 9 months since I started EVE and both members of my corp and alliance come to me for advice on how to PVP.
Just my story on how a newb can become a competent PVPer or at least, maul something if you know how to.
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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Taurean Eltanin Your situation sounds very similar to mine about 3 months ago.
Like many new pilots, I knew from the outset that I wanted to pvp. In fact, I pvp in any computer game I play, as destroying computer generated enemies gets old fast.
Looking around the web, everyone seems to have an opinion about how to get into pvp. Most advice is to join some kind of organisation (Faction Warfare, Red v Blue, pvp corp, etc) and learn from those who already know the ropes.
The trouble is, it is very difficult to tell the good pvpers from the hacks without being good at pvp yourself. And even good pvpers may not actually be good at teaching, which is an altogether different skill.
Also, I learn by doing. I can read advice (like how to use the D-Scanner) many times, but it's only after I actually do it (over, and over again) that I actually get it. And getting it is key to pvp in any game. The pilot that wins in a novel situation is not the pilot that has memorised habits and reactions - that's called drill and is useful in coordinating large groups - but the one that understands the fundamental principles governing the conflict.
So I am going to learn by doing. I've bought myself 20 Punishers, and I'm going to loose them all.
Every. Single. One.
And after each loss, I'm going to reflect on what I did wrong, and what I could have done better.
It's not much of a plan - but it's the one I've got.
I'm nearing the end of the Punisher Plan now, and I can honestly say that it has been a fantastic experience. Although I have a lot more to learn, I am much, much better pvper that I was, and I am starting to win more than I lose. I even have some above class solo kills.
If you think it would be helpful, you can follow my hard earned learning curve on my blog.
Thank you for your blog I am enjoying reading it.
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CaptClegg
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:45:00 -
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Originally by: Brynhilda Back when I was beautiful, I got recruited by my first corp in one of their recruiting sessions. Old time vets of the corp were talking about how us new folk should learn the ways of the PVP and the best way was to go into Low Sec and maul something.
I decided to show him that I was no carebear so I took my poorly fitted Navy Slicer fitted with Meta 1 lasers and a warp core stabilizer and took out into Gallente Low Sec. Only one person was there so I went through the belts until I found his Kestrel attacking Gallente ships in the belts. I quickly charged him and attacked...and he got out of scramnull range right before he exploded due to the fact that Kestrels don't rat well against Serpentis Cruisers when a poorly fit Slicer attacks them. My first kill and I warp back to the gates...to have the gate guns attack me! OH NOES! I warp away and hide in the planets when I saw that the guy I blew up was back in a Cynabal. Upon checking the skills of the Cynabal, I decided that maybe I shouldn't engage that so I warp from planet to planet and then get out when my GCC went up.
Looking back at it, it turns out that I blew up a rather skilled and notorious pirate in that system who currently has over 500 kills and less than 120 losses.
I didn't REALLY get into PVP until the closing hours of a wardec against a corp that ironically part of my alliance now. I went to their home system in my (now WELL fitted) Slicer to annoy them. They came out in force, bringing Dramiels, Zealots and Abaddons and proceeded to chase me all over Caldari space, trying to catch a runaway Slicer until I ended up in Oijanen, my corp's local low sec where I hung out by the gate with bomber support waiting.
Eventually, a red bomber came in which I quickly locked and destroyed. I then locked the pod and went for it to...BUT IT WAS BAIT! The rest of the red fleet came in as I flew away in my death machine and warped to a corpmate who had a safe spot. The damage was done, though.
I needed more blood. I needed to spill more blood in the name of Asgard. My first podding was one to remember as I wanted more blood.
Since then, I've raided the local area and drove the local can miners up the wall as they learned to fear whenever Valkyrie Byrnhildr was in town. Eventually, I moved to attacking people outright in Low Sec where I still need to master the art of attacking people under gate guns...
It's been 9 months since I started EVE and both members of my corp and alliance come to me for advice on how to PVP.
Just my story on how a newb can become a competent PVPer or at least, maul something if you know how to.
Also thank you for this post. Keeps me inspired!
Currently going through the tutorial missions again on minmatar alt. Once I finish these and get some core skills trained up, im going to go on the hunt for both a corp and potential prey.
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LaBuffalo
Nordic Innovations
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:33:00 -
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RVB IS FUN!!!!
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