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Sirion Fujiwara
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Posted - 2011.04.19 11:33:00 -
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Here's one that might be a candidate:
Bot central? Isn't it just (suspeciously) amazing how stable the average number of kills is per hour for at least the last 36 hours?
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.19 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Othran on 19/04/2011 11:58:17 You do know that you can go much further back than that?
Spot the extended downtimes in the last 2 weeks?
Edit - its Red Citizens sov so no real surprise there. Probably renters using ratbots to pay the rent....
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Jaxx Mitchell
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Posted - 2011.04.19 12:22:00 -
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russian/russian renter alliance. what a big surprise. go and see other russian entities owned systems allover 0.0 and you will see very much same. those guys really like to try and kill eve, though i think they do it to keep rl wallets full and dont care about game really.
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Montgomery Crabapple
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Posted - 2011.04.19 12:22:00 -
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Somebody doomsday it.
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:09:00 -
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I'd bet a shiny buffalo nickel that this system is a botter's playground: 7-ZT1Y. Way over 1,000 NPC kills per jump. -----------------------------------
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:22:00 -
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Lmao and CCP still claims they do something against bots? Serious how obvious do you want it that bots are used?
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Kristina Vanszar
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:25:00 -
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I thought our "last man awake warps fleet to the POS" runs in our wormhole could be suspicious becouse of 300 NPC kills per hour for about 12 hours once a month, could be suspicious to someone...
but that LOL, that is just abvious.
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:30:00 -
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CCP *might* quash the majority of hisec macro miners who do it mostly to pay to play, but they will never do much about the entire alliances that are funded by ratting botters.
CCP tells us all to 'wait and see', but they won't release any substantive information about characters or accounts banned (unverifiable numbers just don't cut it, especially when we can see the evidence right before our eyes through sites such as Dotlan), so their assurances are meaningless. TBH, I don't trust CCP's assertions any more than I trust all the forum warriors claiming they are "on" the problem.
IOW, if CCP claims they ban 1000 accounts, without the character names (so that the player base can independently verify same), their claim is meaningless.
I challenge CCP to respond to this problem in a way that we, the paying players, can verify. Without such verification, it's all smoke and mirrors in order to appease the complainers.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH I'd bet a shiny buffalo nickel that this system is a botter's playground: 7-ZT1Y. Way over 1,000 NPC kills per jump.
I'm sure it is but there are dozens, if not hundreds of systems much like it.
Again its Red Citizens therefore its renters botting to pay the rent (both in-game and out I suspect).
The "patron" alliance for Red Citizens allegedly got a large chunk of their leadership accounts permabanned for RMT recently, so what do you expect?
-A- have a "citizens" renter alliance (AAA Citizens) and the vast majority of them are botters too. Not going to argue that one because I've watched them for long enough in Stain - CCP could ban the entire alliance membership and probably only have 10% of valid complaints.
Red Citizens are probably much the same, haven't been in an area they've been for long enough to properly comment.
I'm not one for pointing the finger at any one section of the community but the Russian-language community needs to clean up their act BIG TIME. Before I get incinerated by flames I AM aware every language group is involved in this but it just seems to be accepted as normal to cheat in the Russian-language community. From what I can make out you get treated like some sort of wierdo if you say anything against it too but perhaps that's just my mistaken impression.
Interestingly all the Russian-language speakers I am friendly with left nullsec years ago and don't really want to talk about their time there. None want to go back there other than for a roam through shooting the locals
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 19/04/2011 13:43:47 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 19/04/2011 13:41:35
Originally by: Xylengra CCP *might* quash the majority of hisec macro miners who do it mostly to pay to play, but they will never do much about the entire alliances that are funded by ratting botters.
CCP tells us all to 'wait and see', but they won't release any substantive information about characters or accounts banned (unverifiable numbers just don't cut it, especially when we can see the evidence right before our eyes through sites such as Dotlan), so their assurances are meaningless. TBH, I don't trust CCP's assertions any more than I trust all the forum warriors claiming they are "on" the problem.
IOW, if CCP claims they ban 1000 accounts, without the character names (so that the player base can independently verify same), their claim is meaningless.
I challenge CCP to respond to this problem in a way that we, the paying players, can verify. Without such verification, it's all smoke and mirrors in order to appease the complainers.
Pompous much?
If you really want to know, instead of asking CCP to divulge account information (and deal with any ramifications that may have) perhaps you should hop over to the various botting sites and check the threads concerning bans. That is, in the sites that still allow such threads to exist. ===== The world will not end in 2012, however there will be a serious nerf to Planetary Interaction. |
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Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Othran Edited by: Othran on 19/04/2011 13:37:34
Originally by: Joe SMASH I'd bet a shiny buffalo nickel that this system is a botter's playground: 7-ZT1Y. Way over 1,000 NPC kills per jump.
I'm sure it is but there are dozens, if not hundreds of systems much like it.
Again its Red Citizens therefore its renters botting to pay the rent (both in-game and out I suspect).
The "patron" alliance for Red Citizens allegedly got a large chunk of their leadership accounts permabanned for RMT recently, so what do you expect?
-A- have a "citizens" renter alliance (AAA Citizens) and the vast majority of them are botters too. Not going to argue that one because I've watched them for long enough in Stain - CCP could ban the entire alliance membership and probably only have 10% of valid complaints.
Red Citizens are probably much the same, haven't been in an area they've been in for long enough to properly comment.
I'm not one for pointing the finger at any one section of the community but the Russian-language community needs to clean up their act BIG TIME. Before I get incinerated by flames I AM aware every language group is involved in this but it just seems to be accepted as normal to cheat in the Russian-language community. From what I can make out you get treated like some sort of wierdo if you say anything against it too but perhaps that's just my mistaken impression.
Interestingly all the Russian-language speakers I am friendly with left nullsec years ago and don't really want to talk about their time there. None want to go back there other than for a roam through shooting the locals
In an effort to provide fair and balanced coverage, just like Fox News (and the soon-to-be sainted Glenn Beck), here is another system that has a shiny buffalo nickel bet on it. This time NOT Russian. 9CK-KZ. Yep, I'm calling you out, Goons. -----------------------------------
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Ivor Bucket
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:49:00 -
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These guys seem to like their rats too C-PEWN
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.19 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Joe SMASH
In an effort to provide fair and balanced coverage, just like Fox News (and the soon-to-be sainted Glenn Beck), here is another system that has a shiny buffalo nickel bet on it. This time NOT Russian. 9CK-KZ. Yep, I'm calling you out, Goons.
I wouldn't be so sure with Goonswarm - for example Pandemic Legion had their training corp in there for a while, so who knows what/who is in there
Anyway you can roam around the map with dotlan and you'll find examples of botting from corps with languages from all over the world - hell I even saw one that purported to be Tagalog-only
The point I was making is that it seems to be accepted as the norm in one language community....
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.04.19 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 19/04/2011 13:43:47 Edited by: Ranger 1 on 19/04/2011 13:41:35
Originally by: Xylengra CCP *might* quash the majority of hisec macro miners who do it mostly to pay to play, but they will never do much about the entire alliances that are funded by ratting botters.
CCP tells us all to 'wait and see', but they won't release any substantive information about characters or accounts banned (unverifiable numbers just don't cut it, especially when we can see the evidence right before our eyes through sites such as Dotlan), so their assurances are meaningless. TBH, I don't trust CCP's assertions any more than I trust all the forum warriors claiming they are "on" the problem.
IOW, if CCP claims they ban 1000 accounts, without the character names (so that the player base can independently verify same), their claim is meaningless.
I challenge CCP to respond to this problem in a way that we, the paying players, can verify. Without such verification, it's all smoke and mirrors in order to appease the complainers.
Pompous much?
If you really want to know, instead of asking CCP to divulge account information (and deal with any ramifications that may have) perhaps you should hop over to the various botting sites and check the threads concerning bans. That is, in the sites that still allow such threads to exist.
I don't think you really understand the meaning of that word, and what makes you think I haven't checked those sites? In fact, I have been a member of four of the most common of them for at least a couple of years and have followed the development and botting community with interest. FYI, many of those threads are phony, as they know CCP follows those sites as well.
Why don't you tell me, and all of us, why in the world CCP would protect the names of characters on accounts that have been banned? Nowhere did I ask for private information from the account, so your attack just makes you seem suspicious. And, while you are at it, what 'ramifications' would there be to publishing the character names from banned accounts, other than having the player base that does not bot know that something is being done, instead of just taking CCP's word for it?
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:05:00 -
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Quote: Why don't you tell me, and all of us, why in the world CCP would protect the names of characters on accounts that have been banned?
Because it is not our right to know.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love them to release a long list of all know botters and provide permanent GCC on them so we can kill them forever with no penalties.
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Suitonia
Gallente Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:13:00 -
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Not divulging character names that are caught botting is probably something similar to not being allowed to post GM Correspondence, and in all honesty it would probably end up creating a lot of un-needed drama like people comparing different alliances and how many have caught botters in them.
It would be nice if CCP was a bit more forward with how well their detection is going though. Doesn't have to be really in depth if they're worried about botting communities using that information to their advantage. Something like "we detected X number of bots, Y of them got 15 day bans and then stopped, Z continued to bot and got 30 day bans" etc. The problem with keeping the player base in the dark as to how well it's going makes the problem much more profound than it really is. ---
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Corina's Bodyguard
Quote: Why don't you tell me, and all of us, why in the world CCP would protect the names of characters on accounts that have been banned?
Because it is not our right to know.
You say this like it's a fact, an accepted constant of the universe, when it isn't and shouldn't be.
Many studies have demonstrated that name-and-shame works wonderfully as a deterrent, both in real life and in hypothetical situations, and, let's face it, deterrence is the way to go with ******ing the effects of botting in this game. Whether you agree with it or not, communities that name-and-shame johns caught soliciting prostitution see a significant reduction in both supply and demand for such services.
For the poster immediately above me, that kind of reporting is still relying on CCP to tell the truth. I have yet to see ANY basis for extending such trust.
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LeviUK
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:29:00 -
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Anywhere that fpshacker is in local, bots -everywhere-.
But it's funny how all of you cried when my good friend and associate of awesome : THE MONKEYSPHERE was killing bots using completely legitimate methods, ohh those sweet tears; However now that fpshacker has taken his place, I'm sure the bot populations will start to decline rapidly.
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Johnny Enaluri
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:29:00 -
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Russia.. Just unplug them from the internet.
I've done RW business with some very smart Russians whom were legit, but they are very,very,very few and far between. The bulk are just cheating lying thieves whom openly talk on forums about online theft and trying to scam the west.
No big surprise they do the same **** in online games as well. The entire reason domain tasting was removed by ICANN, was because the Russian mafia was was using their own registries to infect millions of people with Trojans like we saw here on EVE-O forums.
Just unplug them the world would be better off.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.19 15:43:00 -
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Quote: legitimate
Hahahahahahahhahhaha
If he would have been just killing bots i wouldnt have cared much, but enough non-bots were victim from his exploit.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.19 17:52:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer If he would have been just killing bots i wouldnt have cared much, but enough non-bots were victim from his exploit.
Somebody, somewhere, in EvE, died. This is an injustice. He should go post in C&P about it.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.04.20 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Xylengra CCP *might* quash the majority of hisec macro miners who do it mostly to pay to play, but they will never do much about the entire alliances that are funded by ratting botters.
Let's face it, CCP doesn't want to ban any botters (they pay, too, etc). However, due to the increasing uproar, they are almost forced to do something. Or rather, they want to be seen to be doing something. If they ban 0.0 ratters, not many (compared to the people in high sec who see craploads of mining bots daily) would really know about it. So they don't ban the 0.0 botters (yet), and ban some more-visible mining bots.
"Slow burn" comedy comments aside, if they are forced to ban most of the bots, why not ban them very slowly, therefore maxing the income they get from the inevitably-doomed accounts.
Amirite, accounting department? ----------------------------------------
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Killer Gandry
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:12:00 -
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CCP should make a public list of caught botters.
I see in several other games that they do this and it actually is appreciated by the gamer community. They can't really say that they are looking after anyones intrests simply because of the fact that botters ruin part of the game for the real gamers and as such they should have more sympathy for those who actually play and not for cheaters and exploiters.
Naming and shaming has a dual effect.
First the ones who are publicly known will have a far harder time to join a corporation which want's to play the game legit. Thus giving them the extra option to check if a player has had a temp ban for botting and thus giving them the chance to decline such application.
Secondly the real playerbase would actually have some way to verify CCP is really doing something about this botting problem and thus creating more confidence of the playerbase towards CCP in this regards.
Also the sanctions for being caught botting should be harsher. No way a 3 strike should result in a perma ban. 2nd strike is more than enough because if you get caught 2 times you already knew from the first time your arse was on the line. First time caught should be a month ban. Everyone knows botting is bad in EVE, why a simple wristslap the first time.
CCP has no responcebility to educate people botting is bad. Gamers know it is. So don't be such pussies and just slap em hard. Name and shame em and make the real players more happy.
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LeviUK
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.04.20 15:08:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Quote: legitimate
If he would have been just killing bots i wouldnt have cared much, but enough non-bots were victim from his exploit.
Could you show us on the doll, where did The Monkeysphere touch you? Your no-no place? :(
Too bad he wasn't exploiting eh; u bad?
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Xylengra
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Gandry CCP should make a public list of caught botters.
I see in several other games that they do this and it actually is appreciated by the gamer community. They can't really say that they are looking after anyones intrests simply because of the fact that botters ruin part of the game for the real gamers and as such they should have more sympathy for those who actually play and not for cheaters and exploiters.
Naming and shaming has a dual effect.
First the ones who are publicly known will have a far harder time to join a corporation which want's to play the game legit. Thus giving them the extra option to check if a player has had a temp ban for botting and thus giving them the chance to decline such application.
Secondly the real playerbase would actually have some way to verify CCP is really doing something about this botting problem and thus creating more confidence of the playerbase towards CCP in this regards.
Also the sanctions for being caught botting should be harsher. No way a 3 strike should result in a perma ban. 2nd strike is more than enough because if you get caught 2 times you already knew from the first time your arse was on the line. First time caught should be a month ban. Everyone knows botting is bad in EVE, why a simple wristslap the first time.
CCP has no responcebility to educate people botting is bad. Gamers know it is. So don't be such pussies and just slap em hard. Name and shame em and make the real players more happy.
QFT, and anything less than this is prima facie evidence that CCP is placing less-than-complete effort into banning botters. Thus, given this incomplete evidence, they provide, again, prima facie evidence that they do what little they do only to appear to appease the vocal player base. One can spin it any way one wants, but the evidence is right in front of us.
Will we see or will we continue to be appeased?
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Siecen K'Solaran
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:35:00 -
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Here are some in tenal
http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/ZK-YQ3 http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/T-K10W http://evemaps.dotlan.net/system/AR-5SY
There are another two bots in the region I know about, but their daily graphs are a little less blatant right now. Naturally, reporting them accomplishes nothing.
CCP could find and ban hundreds of macros with a few hours of work. Since it doesn't happen, we can be certain that CCP doesn't care. Herp derp.
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:44:00 -
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Well you see now here's the thing... we've seen changes CCP is implementing with the expressed intent of kicking up the PvP, right? Well, if they really want to do that, and I mean if the really want to do that, what they need to do is in one felled swoop crush the null sec rat bots. The ensuing chaos and whining would cause such disarray that opportunities would open up for people to begin to strike at the alliances, generating more chaos and combat...
Yeah baby. The bots are keeping the peace by making life too cozy in there. Crush them. Crush them hard. Let the piranhas feed on the broken bodies.
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Insert Your Name
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Posted - 2011.04.20 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ingvar Angst Well you see now here's the thing... we've seen changes CCP is implementing with the expressed intent of kicking up the PvP, right? Well, if they really want to do that, and I mean if the really want to do that, what they need to do is in one felled swoop crush the null sec rat bots. The ensuing chaos and whining would cause such disarray that opportunities would open up for people to begin to strike at the alliances, generating more chaos and combat...
Yeah baby. The bots are keeping the peace by making life too cozy in there. Crush them. Crush them hard. Let the piranhas feed on the broken bodies.
You know what you're talking about. You have no business in these forums.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.20 17:04:00 -
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Use petitions!
Poasting in another bot thread. \o/ --
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Ivor Bucket
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:23:00 -
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Well over 1000 npc kills an hour here often HM-UVD The Motsu of 0.0 ?
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