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The Huffarunier
Gallente Airport Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:11:00 -
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Well I met my first ninja today. That is what I get for having to relocate to Minmatar space to build rep for the epic arc. Just having him in the same space as me makes me uneasy. Since I'm more interested in rep, I told him he could have my loot (as if that actually mattered - made me feel better).
I didn't abandon the wrecks so when he turned all red I almost had a heart attack. I fluffy carebear self went more uneasy. I was afraid I might attack him by pure accident so I was very cautious. Don't know if his goal was for me to attack him or he wanted my loot, but he called my loot crap and preceded to collect it.
Not used to ninja's having been deep in Amarr territory before no one came out there, but here its busy and uneasy.
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Hector Terrachova
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:17:00 -
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It happens everywhere really, though more often near mission hubs (systems with a good collection of agents, of varying levels). It doesn't really matter 'where' in the galaxy that happens to be though - its all about population.
I've only met one myself, in Caldari space. He was kind of a **** though... looted a few wrecks while I was finishing off the last enemy (a Drone BS that dropped a mission-critical item). I guess he caught on, because he immediately jetted over to said BS and orbited it at about 5000m. It was obvious what he was going to do - loot the wreck the moment it popped and steal said mission critical item.
I would've been fine with just the ninja salvaging, but screwing a mission? Not cool. Luckily, warping out to let him try and deal with the Drone BS in a Probe worked quite well. When I jumped back, he was gone, and I was able to finish the mission.
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DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar Republic University
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:27:00 -
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Excellent
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:31:00 -
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If you were going to give him the loot, why didn't you just abandon all wrecks, make a bookmark, contract the bookmark to him (for free) and ask that he sends some isk your way?
Win-win all around.
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The Huffarunier
Gallente Airport Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:33:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan If you were going to give him the loot, why didn't you just abandon all wrecks, make a bookmark, contract the bookmark to him (for free) and ask that he sends some isk your way?
Win-win all around.
He probed me down and already had the wrecks book marked. I didn't abandon them in time because I was otherwise occupied killing BSs.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:38:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier He probed me down and already had the wrecks book marked. I didn't abandon them in time because I was otherwise occupied killing BSs.
You only ran 1 mission today?
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The Huffarunier
Gallente Airport Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.04.20 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: The Huffarunier He probed me down and already had the wrecks book marked. I didn't abandon them in time because I was otherwise occupied killing BSs.
You only ran 1 mission today?
What makes you think that? I ran a number of them prior to him showing up. Then I got the standing I wanted for today and i as done. I'll be back at it again soonish.
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McRoll
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.20 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: The Huffarunier
I didn't abandon the wrecks so when he turned all red I almost had a heart attack. I fluffy carebear self went more uneasy. I was afraid I might attack him by pure accident so I was very cautious. Don't know if his goal was for me to attack him or he wanted my loot, but he called my loot crap and preceded to collect it.
I had to lol so hard at this part. I imagined a ninjalooter scooping all the crap and cursing about the quality of it and a missionrunner frightened to death. What a miserable day for both.
**** I doubt this is funny for most people but this seriously cracks me up somehow.
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Sheena Tzash
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Posted - 2011.04.20 10:03:00 -
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Ahhh Ninjas; I have met a few of these in my time in EVE.
The first time they go all flashy red does freak you out but once you understand the game mecahnics (basically don't shoot them if they go flashy red) you'll understand that you're quite safe (unless they want to suicide gank) and if anything it can be quite fun to mess with them too :D
1) Shoot the wrecks: Wait for them to get close to a wreck that they are stealing from / salvaging and shoot it. Rince & repeat.
Since they can't tractor in wrecks they need to travel to each one, eventually they get the idea and run off.
2) Grab a noctis: Since the ninja can't tractor in wrecks its quite easy for you to grab a noctis and suck in all the wrecks before the ninja can reach them. Pretty much the same as point 1 and they'll eventually get annoyed and warp off.
3) Grab some agro, drag it to the ninja & warp out: Doesn't work every time but if you have some NPCs left in your mission you can try to bring them in range of your ninja hoping that once you warp out they will turn their attention to your ninja.
4) DON'T shoot back: A ninja griefer will most of the time just use your loot to get a flashy red on you, hoping that you'll attack. This is because they know that once you do they'll gank you and loot your corpse. Just leave them to their passive aggressive behavior and if they get bored waiting for you to shoot them and decide to shoot first then CONCORD will pay them a visit :D
5) Leave them to it: Since the noctis salvage is worthless and so is alot of mission loot (if sold on the open market) so you don't lose much anyway. You'll still make more money from bounties than from loot.
Enjoy!
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Mr Kidd
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Posted - 2011.04.20 11:33:00 -
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The golden age of ninjaing was over with the loot nerfs. I'm surprised by the numbers that I still see doing them on the off occasion that I mission.
To avoid ninjas, don't mission in hubs. A ninja's profit is in volume of missions he can't salvage/loot.
Don't shoot ninja's unless you're prepared to either immediately level the mission site or have friends to protect you from his friends.
Salvage as you go?
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Zars Boy
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Posted - 2011.04.20 11:53:00 -
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Most of the ninja salvaging seems to be done around the starter systems. These guys are not interested in the loot they just want cheap kills on newbs who have just got into their first decent frig and think they can take on the universe. Sometimes for fun I will fleet with a newb and when he gets agro'd by one of these twonks I warp in and paint the nearest moon with his wreck.
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:08:00 -
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Don't set wrecks blue. Right click him in the overview -> remove *insert ship from overview*. Go about your business. Ignoring them is the most annoying thing you can do. ----------------------------------------
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Zars Boy Most of the ninja salvaging seems to be done around the starter systems. These guys are not interested in the loot they just want cheap kills on newbs who have just got into their first decent frig and think they can take on the universe. Sometimes for fun I will fleet with a newb and when he gets agro'd by one of these twonks I warp in and paint the nearest moon with his wreck.
Huh? No, most ninjas want to kill your shiny overpriced overtanked mission ship, so they rather choose mission hubs, not starter systems. You cannot help anyone that shoots a ninja back unless you are in the same player corp as him. Try again.
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The Huffarunier
Gallente Airport Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Sutskop
Originally by: Zars Boy Most of the ninja salvaging seems to be done around the starter systems. These guys are not interested in the loot they just want cheap kills on newbs who have just got into their first decent frig and think they can take on the universe. Sometimes for fun I will fleet with a newb and when he gets agro'd by one of these twonks I warp in and paint the nearest moon with his wreck.
Huh? No, most ninjas want to kill your shiny overpriced overtanked mission ship, so they rather choose mission hubs, not starter systems. You cannot help anyone that shoots a ninja back unless you are in the same player corp as him. Try again.
If you fleet with someone after the aggression act, does the kill right transfer to the new fleet mates?
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Chesty McJubblies
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Sutskop
Originally by: Zars Boy Most of the ninja salvaging seems to be done around the starter systems. These guys are not interested in the loot they just want cheap kills on newbs who have just got into their first decent frig and think they can take on the universe. Sometimes for fun I will fleet with a newb and when he gets agro'd by one of these twonks I warp in and paint the nearest moon with his wreck.
Huh? No, most ninjas want to kill your shiny overpriced overtanked mission ship, so they rather choose mission hubs, not starter systems. You cannot help anyone that shoots a ninja back unless you are in the same player corp as him. Try again.
True, because we are not allowed to shoot anyone nowadays. ----------------------------------------
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The Huffarunier
Gallente Airport Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.04.20 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sutskop
Originally by: Zars Boy Most of the ninja salvaging seems to be done around the starter systems. These guys are not interested in the loot they just want cheap kills on newbs who have just got into their first decent frig and think they can take on the universe. Sometimes for fun I will fleet with a newb and when he gets agro'd by one of these twonks I warp in and paint the nearest moon with his wreck.
Huh? No, most ninjas want to kill your shiny overpriced overtanked mission ship, so they rather choose mission hubs, not starter systems. You cannot help anyone that shoots a ninja back unless you are in the same player corp as him. Try again.
I don't mission in anything overpriced, I can hardly afford to buy ammo or replacement drones sometimes. But I can see the appeal of killing someones ubber ship and all the flowing of tears in local. How annoying does a ninja have to be before you can ask a GM to kick him in the gut? You would think stealing mission needed loot would be a good trigger, all other loot being open for the grabs.
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Zars Boy
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sutskop
Originally by: Zars Boy Most of the ninja salvaging seems to be done around the starter systems. These guys are not interested in the loot they just want cheap kills on newbs who have just got into their first decent frig and think they can take on the universe. Sometimes for fun I will fleet with a newb and when he gets agro'd by one of these twonks I warp in and paint the nearest moon with his wreck.
Huh? No, most ninjas want to kill your shiny overpriced overtanked mission ship, so they rather choose mission hubs, not starter systems. You cannot help anyone that shoots a ninja back unless you are in the same player corp as him. Try again.
I have run missions in the main hubs for over 2 years and never seen a ninja salvager. Sometimes when I'm bored I create a new toon and run all the tutorial missions again. Almost every time there has been some 4 or 5 month character harassing newbs by flipping cans or looting my wrecks. Thats when I bring in an alt to kill the reds on the belt or jettison a can next to a fleet members Ibis. It works. Anyone hoping to sucker an experienced player (one with an expensive ship) into agression would have a very long wait.
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:26:00 -
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Edited by: Sutskop on 20/04/2011 13:26:43 You are talking about daft canflippers / lootgrabbers outside station or in belts. I guess OP was about scanning down missions and getting the missioner to aggro. /edit: Post with your main so we can actually see what you're killing there.
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Klauz Lycan
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:30:00 -
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just shoot the wrecks. if you dont care for the loot anyway just **** the ninja off by shooting the wrecks. _______________________
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Falaharn Mistwarden
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Posted - 2011.04.20 13:58:00 -
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I have had some Ninjas in my time of missing, not as many as most people got but as other has said you can make it work for you. if you are 100% you don't want to loot then make a deal with him, he salvages as you go and gives you a cut after was, yes he could take it all for himself but when you where ok with no loot, anything could be better.
also shoot wrecks if you don't want him to get the loot, and setting them to blue if you don't want him flashing red.
hope this helps.
Mistwarden.
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Ikserak tai
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Posted - 2011.04.20 14:16:00 -
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I think that Russian players cut their teeth on ninja salvaging, kinda like a gang initiation. Once during a mission a ninja showed up. Having taken a bit of Russian in high school, I conversed with him in Russian words spelled with English letters. I gave him the go ahead on my wrecks, imagining him playing on an old computer in a small cold flat in some former communist housing project.
Checked salvage prices today, Alloyed Trit bars were 50k (used to be 450k+) and melted cap consoles were 30k (used to be 250-350k).
I guess the sport is baiting carebears now, as the prices certainly have taken the shine off the whole ninja thing.
Living in Amarr space myself, I find the congestion in Minnie and Caldari space stifling. Missioning in those areas is like having to make a living in Calcutta. And then the ninjas on top of all that. Glad I only mission to dispel boredome nowadays.
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Johnny Guns
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Posted - 2011.04.20 14:41:00 -
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why not pop the looter and then go dock up for 15 minutes to wait off the global timer? especially worth it if he is in a t2 covert ops, no? loot his wreck and then dockup. you got alot of time before they return in a gank ship if you are in a mission like AE and are several gates in.
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The Huffarunier
Gallente Airport Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.04.20 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: Johnny Guns why not pop the looter and then go dock up for 15 minutes to wait off the global timer? especially worth it if he is in a t2 covert ops, no? loot his wreck and then dockup. you got alot of time before they return in a gank ship if you are in a mission like AE and are several gates in.
I can't recall the name of his ship right now, I am sure it was Minamatar and it may have been a Rapture although I am not 100% certain. What I do know is; I'm not risking my source of income based on an assumption that I could pop him.
Based on his behavior around the time I was nearing the end of the mission I can only assume he wanted to steal the mission trigger loot. Knowing there was none ( I checked ), I wasn't worried about him speeding towards the target. I kept my hobogblin II out and brought them to orbit if he did try something as he moved by, but nothing came of it.
Because EVE is so vaste and so many options exisit on how to play, teaching people all the little tricks of the game is hard. Which why you have that cartoon of the Eve learning curve.
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.20 15:42:00 -
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Posting in a Tom Gerrard alt thread. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Marley Browning
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Posted - 2011.04.20 18:34:00 -
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You people are so weird. It's a game stop role-playing "scared carebears" its freaking me out.
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The Huffarunier
Gallente Airport Monkeys
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Posted - 2011.04.20 19:31:00 -
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If eve had a death model and training model like any other MMO I don't think people would play freeked out carebear. But since death and loss of a ship is a very real concern people are going to be more freeked out when their norm is disturbed.
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Marley Browning
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Posted - 2011.04.20 22:35:00 -
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Its not even about that, its like people take on the carebear status as a sort of trophy that exempts them from pvp and coo about how terrible and thoughtless it is to shoot at someone's ship in highsec. You literally will never die if you just dont be stupid its that simple.
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Dracas Bloodmoon
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Posted - 2011.04.21 01:11:00 -
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I love when someone steals my loot and turns red. It is nice distraction to kill griefers thinking I'm a vulnerable pve fitted mission ship. I run a fleet of 2 ships one in a heavy tanked tengu that grabs all the agro and pvp fitted high dps dominix or raven navy issue. I can do this because of my perfect missle, drone and support skills. And I have the looting set so the wannabe griefer turns red to the gank pvp ship. Just sit back and laugh. :)
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TImora Fosty
Solar Pride Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.04.21 08:57:00 -
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Dear Diary! Today i looked into a mirror and met ninja
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Riedle
Minmatar Paradox Collective Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.04.21 13:00:00 -
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Like, Omygawd
You mean you had, like, social interaction in a Multiplayer game??? You mean this isn't like, a single player game??
Those evil ninja's interupting your precious mission.
LOL
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