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Kitty Carr
House of Praetor IRC Provisional Authority
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:35:00 -
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I came up with a simple solution that wouldn't require could get rid of 90% of the mining bots without changing game play much. Anyway, here it is.
Temporary Mining Licenses
There would be a dialog you could pop up from anywhere, with a CAPTCHA and that's it. You fill out the captcha and get a 1 hour license to mine. The license allows you to activate strips, mining lasers, or issue mine/mine repeatedly commands to drones. If the strip/drone/laser would auto-cycle after the license runs out it shuts down instead.
End result is that the least the afk bot-miners would now have to check in every hour to renew their license. If that doesnt seem to work well enough you can just shorten the license to 30 minutes. Eventually making bot miners pointless, unless your captcha is really bad.
Is so simple on the player side of things that it would throw the real miners, for however few are left into a tizzy.
If you hate the botters like every real care bear does, give this a bump, maybe CCP will take it to heart. |
Lord Zim
1207
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:38:00 -
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All ideas which involve captcha are bad ideas. All of them. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
9311
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:38:00 -
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GǪbecause captchas are not already subject to automation and does not in any way annoy humans.
No, it wouldn't solve much except maybe make fewer actual people mine. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Ev0ke
319
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:40:00 -
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because computers will NEVER be able to solve captchas |
Beryl Carac
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:42:00 -
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You do realise there are sites where third world people with internet connection can make a few cents an hour solving captcha... after captcha... after captcha? |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2557
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:47:00 -
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A better way would be to having laser cycles that don't last long or don't automatically repeat. Or you can fill the ice fields with bumpers who target the AFK.
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iskflakes
Magnets Inc.
39
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Posted - 2012.09.02 00:47:00 -
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It's a good thing there's no way automated software can solve captchas by paying people $0.01 each to solve them... oh wait....
The real solution to botting is not technical, it is to change the gameplay so repetitive activities are not rewarded. Rewards should be given for activities that require thought (e.g. planning extractor locations in PI) and not for the boring tasks (like collecting PI products once per day). Track your wealth with EVE Stats: https://ohheck.co.uk/EVEStats/home.php |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
22
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:01:00 -
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I do not like the idea. This would interfere with my ability to multibox, which is a valid and completely legal way to mine.
Also it would be extremely emersion breaking.
Also what most people think are bots are really just players multiboxing. Just my opinion. |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2003
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:03:00 -
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iskflakes wrote:It's a good thing there's no way automated software can solve captchas by paying people $0.01 each to solve them... oh wait....
The real solution to botting is not technical, it is to change the gameplay so repetitive activities are not rewarded. Rewards should be given for activities that require thought (e.g. planning extractor locations in PI) and not for the boring tasks (like collecting PI products once per day).
An advanced calculas captcha, only the chinese farmers will be left! Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
Sturmwolke
269
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:04:00 -
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Capcha, just like modern drugs. Treats symptoms for quickfixes, never the cause. |
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Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
7
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:06:00 -
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Great idea
Lets implement this, but picking on miners is so yesturday ...
Since you singled out one profession I am going assume you don't mine. So this change would not effect you. Maybe, you run a mission bot or a ratting bot, maybe nothing, so lets put your brilliant idea to the whole of eve.
So you want to activate a module, move, etc pop up ...
I am sure this will get rid of the ratting bots, mission bots, mining bots, players new and old.
Not to mention the fun it would inject into PVP ....
Primary is .... wait is that a g or a 9 hold on guys ....
2 hours later one frigate dead.
Thanks for thinking in a single view ... and running to the forums with it. Your time and ideas are appreciated.
/end sarcasm
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Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry Devil Divided By Zero
44
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:14:00 -
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Beryl Carac wrote:You do realise there are sites where third world people with internet connection can make a few cents an hour solving captcha... after captcha... after captcha?
You really think that?
Anyway, Captcha was suggested many times before and it is not a solution in any way. It can be hacked and its annoying. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
61
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:16:00 -
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Captchas were effective 14 years ago. Right now there are services which you just transmit the captcha screenshot and get the result back in just a few seconds. How? They outsourced the captcha solving to 3rd world countries where they are paid pennies per captches solved. |
Alexa Coates
Predominate It's Not Fair
170
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:22:00 -
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OP's stupid abandon thread. Love my Gallente Federation Navy ships! |
Cloned S0ul
Blood Fanatics
177
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:26:00 -
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How to kill bots? very easy, replace CCP workers who made new crap new UI and take them to wach asteroid belts 24/7? profit?
Im against boters but i spent in this game around 500 days, i dont care about them, i wont search them i wont looking for them, i wont waste my time, because of bots, im here to play eve and nothing more. Teemo for president. |
Piugattuk
CLOROFLORFILAPLANKTONPLATES
35
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:31:00 -
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here. we go. |
Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry Devil Divided By Zero
44
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:33:00 -
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Jack Tronic wrote:Captchas were effective 14 years ago. Right now there are services which you just transmit the captcha screenshot and get the result back in just a few seconds. How? They outsourced the captcha solving to 3rd world countries where they are paid pennies per captches solved.
Oh, man... another one.
First of all, people in third world countries do not solve captchas for pennies. If you have an internet connection here (in a thrid world country), you have access to free learning resources for many programming languages. The lowest you can get is PSD to HTML/CSS and it's about $3-$10 per hour, depending how good you are at it (no tax included). If you are ready to learn something more complicated, like in my case, there are practically no limits to what you can achieve. I know it's not that much, but my $100 per hour for Zend coding is somewhat more than pennies for captchas. If you don't trust me, head to any freelancer site and look the demographics. I bet you'll see that 90% of the coders are from India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe or some other poor part of the world.
Captcha's were effective 14 years ago. Right now there are algorithms that can solve them. CCP Ytterbium: Yarrblblbgrlblbgrlblblblbblbgrlblblbgrblblyarrrrdrooooooolonthekeyboardlikealunatic |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji
615
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:35:00 -
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I believe CCP has already stated they will never use CAPTCHAs anyway. |
Valari Nala Zena
Perkone Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2012.09.02 01:40:00 -
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Like people mentioned above, there are ways around this and it would be really annoying for people who are mining legitimately.
I think CCP should track mouse movements, something that can detect ocr/input/x-y repeatable movements When suspected, sends a log to CCP + raise a red flag, so they can investigate and take action.
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Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
388
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Posted - 2012.09.02 02:07:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:All ideas which involve captcha are bad ideas. All of them. THIS...!!! Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
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Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
90
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Posted - 2012.09.02 02:14:00 -
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Thats so wrong idea. lol nice try but very wrong perhaps in high sec you can do that like a law or so but null sec hell no. |
Jack Tronic
borkedLabs
61
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Posted - 2012.09.02 02:18:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:Jack Tronic wrote:Captchas were effective 14 years ago. Right now there are services which you just transmit the captcha screenshot and get the result back in just a few seconds. How? They outsourced the captcha solving to 3rd world countries where they are paid pennies per captches solved. Oh, man... another one. First of all, people in third world countries do not solve captchas for pennies. If you have an internet connection here (in a thrid world country), you have access to free learning resources for many programming languages. The lowest you can get is PSD to HTML/CSS and it's about $3-$10 per hour, depending how good you are at it (no tax included). If you are ready to learn something more complicated, like in my case, there are practically no limits to what you can achieve. I know it's not that much, but my $100 per hour for Zend coding is somewhat more than pennies for captchas. If you don't trust me, head to any freelancer site and look the demographics. I bet you'll see that 90% of the coders are from India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe or some other poor part of the world. Captcha's were effective 14 years ago. Right now there are algorithms that can solve them.
Yea no, there are algorithims for simple catptchas, but there are ones secure eough that even humans have trouble.
Here are some articles about the outsourcing: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130594039 http://www.zdnet.com/blog/security/inside-indias-captcha-solving-economy/1835 http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/26/technology/26captcha.html?_r=1&src=me&ref=technology |
EvEa Deva
State War Academy Caldari State
76
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Posted - 2012.09.02 03:54:00 -
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Captchas are a bad idea, I can't even do them when im sober. |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
889
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:19:00 -
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Done to death already. CCP already said they use other methods to spot botters as seen here
CAPTCHA for Botters
Go have a read. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Ghazu
86
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Posted - 2012.09.02 04:57:00 -
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Gilbaron wrote:because computers will NEVER be able to solve captchas well the auto captcha never works in jdownloader |
Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4514
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:14:00 -
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i have a better solution for dealing with bots
'bans' please leave |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1895
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:21:00 -
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Antihrist Pripravnik wrote:The lowest you can get is PSD to HTML/CSS and it's about $3-$10 per hour, depending how good you are at it (no tax included). If you are ready to learn something more complicated, like in my case, there are practically no limits to what you can achieve. I know it's not that much, but my $100 per hour for Zend coding is somewhat more than pennies for captchas. If you don't trust me, head to any freelancer site and look the demographics. I bet you'll see that 90% of the coders are from India, Pakistan, Eastern Europe or some other poor part of the world.
$100 per hour?
When I still worked as a programmer, I'd get constantly outbid at those freelancer websites for people who sold Zend and other similar level work for $15 A WEEK. I can pay 1 pizza with those $15... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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MadMuppet
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
549
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Posted - 2012.09.02 05:49:00 -
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Kitty Carr wrote:I came up with a simple solution that wouldn't require could get rid of 90% of the mining bots without changing game play much. Anyway, here it is.
Temporary Mining Licenses
There would be a dialog you could pop up from anywhere, with a CAPTCHA .... (snip)
If you hate the botters like every real care bear does, give this a bump, maybe CCP will take it to heart.
Don't get me wrong, I hate botters, but anything else that changes the user interface to make game playing more difficult or time consuming because the hope is to break bots is not good.
Widescreen mode is now gone, it broke bots for two whole days. Combine that with transparent elements (unreadable cap screens and nubela that are too damn bright) and we get game play elements that are making it hard for OCR bots but also really hard on the eyes for the real players.
The Unfied inventory made minor hash of some bots, but the programs have also adapted while the rest of us screamed to get back the functionality that was removed.
TLDR The only solution to botting is enforcement. CCP needs to find a way to step it up without turning the user interface in to any more of a blinking annoying screen chasing hash that it has become. Mining is a boring, yet profitable and necessary part of the game. If you want to 'fix it' you need to do so in a way that doesn't penalize the real players.
If I tried to make a type of coffee that made all of you happy, and you rated it, the group score for it would be about 60 out of 100. Break into 3 or 4 coffee clusters, and made coffee just for each cluster, the scores would go from 60 to 78. The difference between coffee at 60 and coffee at 78 is a difference between coffee that makes you wince or makes you happy. |
Cede Forster
39
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Posted - 2012.09.02 07:48:00 -
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the solution is quite simple, make mining not that mind numbing boring and so goddamn easy
just put some creativity there
asteroids that can explode and only a visual clue for it, make them move and "approach" ect does not work, go wild, make it count, make a freaking mini game where you have to control the mining lasers, just something |
alittlebirdy
All Hail The Liopleurodon
61
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Posted - 2012.09.02 07:55:00 -
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Kitty Carr wrote:I came up with a simple solution that wouldn't require could get rid of 90% of the mining bots without changing game play much. Anyway, here it is.
Temporary Mining Licenses
There would be a dialog you could pop up from anywhere, with a CAPTCHA and that's it. You fill out the captcha and get a 1 hour license to mine. The license allows you to activate strips, mining lasers, or issue mine/mine repeatedly commands to drones. If the strip/drone/laser would auto-cycle after the license runs out it shuts down instead.
End result is that the least the afk bot-miners would now have to check in every hour to renew their license. If that doesnt seem to work well enough you can just shorten the license to 30 minutes. Eventually making bot miners pointless, unless your captcha is really bad.
Is so simple on the player side of things that it would throw the real miners, for however few are left into a tizzy.
If you hate the botters like every real care bear does, give this a bump, maybe CCP will take it to heart.
Could be worse ideas BUT this one is pretty high on the list.
Ya um for file download sites rofl with the **** I can't guess... you had programs that would do it... |
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