Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
|
Posted - 2011.04.22 06:34:00 -
[31]
The only time it could possibly be unfair to lose sp when you go pop is if you didn't have the funds to buy another clone. But if that happened, you should quit now anyway.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Tiericide |
Ya Huei
|
Posted - 2011.04.22 11:01:00 -
[32]
I'd support this if the OP wasn't such a horrible tool.
|
Aamrr
|
Posted - 2011.04.22 12:12:00 -
[33]
Lost SP tears are best tears.
|
Cheekyhoe
|
Posted - 2011.04.22 12:17:00 -
[34]
Your not being trolled, people think your a troll for a few reasons.
This topic has been posted everytime someone looses SP.
Your acting like a babey who lost his bottle.
You think justifying everything will win people over.
You lost SP man up get over it, this is EVE not WOW and the only time you get SP back if your account gets hacked afaik.
However I will support this because you have really nice hair
|
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
|
Posted - 2011.04.22 16:57:00 -
[35]
And here I was hoping to find more lovely responses from the OP.
Oh well. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Dirk Decibel
|
Posted - 2011.04.22 17:13:00 -
[36]
I think it is very fair yes. :)
|
Vertisce Soritenshi
O.W.N. Corp OWN Alliance
|
Posted - 2011.04.23 00:43:00 -
[37]
This is a really stupid complaint to make a thread about. EvE is supposed to be harsh...forget to update your clone...be penalized for it.
I could swear that the max amount of SP that could be lost was exactly one weeks worth. So if you lost say Amarr Carrier 5 you actually only lost 7 days of it and it is still partially trained. Is this not correct? NO BOOBIES LEFT BEHIND! |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
|
Posted - 2011.04.23 01:55:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I could swear that the max amount of SP that could be lost was exactly one weeks worth. So if you lost say Amarr Carrier 5 you actually only lost 7 days of it and it is still partially trained. Is this not correct?
5% off the top of your highest sp invested skill.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Tiericide |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2011.04.23 02:12:00 -
[39]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief
Originally by: Mashie Saldana It's your own fault for not updating the clone, I mean it's not as if you didn't notice that you got podded.
Obviously not the sharpest pencil in the case are we? Maybe if you read my post properly you would of seen this...
Quote: I recently lost Cap Ships 5 - Ouch - Well I forgot to upgrade - Why well because there were a big battle going on, you die, you quickly jump back in a ship to fight again, forget to upgrade. It happens..Fair enough..
But coming from Veto corp, who obviously has no clue about this stuff, big fights and stuff..your opinion really means nothing..sorry
Post with your main.
|
Hermosa Diosas
The Scope
|
Posted - 2011.04.23 11:14:00 -
[40]
Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 23/04/2011 11:17:21
Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I could swear that the max amount of SP that could be lost was exactly one weeks worth. So if you lost say Amarr Carrier 5 you actually only lost 7 days of it and it is still partially trained. Is this not correct?
5% off the top of your highest sp invested skill.
you lose the highest level 5 skill you have..thats it..
@Val'Dore - not even close..im sure lots of people would love that idea though
|
|
Joss56
Unleashed' Fury
|
Posted - 2011.04.23 12:27:00 -
[41]
@OP +1
________________________________________________
"You do realise you live on a globe, right? And that there places outside the USA/UK?"
|
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2011.04.23 15:29:00 -
[42]
Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 23/04/2011 15:34:43
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 23/04/2011 11:17:21
Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I could swear that the max amount of SP that could be lost was exactly one weeks worth. So if you lost say Amarr Carrier 5 you actually only lost 7 days of it and it is still partially trained. Is this not correct?
5% off the top of your highest sp invested skill.
you lose the highest level 5 skill you have..thats it..
@Val'Dore - not even close..im sure lots of people would love that idea though
All three of you are wrong:
Start SP level
Two poddings later to emulate OP:
Oh noes my SP backbone
So what does this tell us?
A, you will not lose 1 week worth of SP (it's 32d worth in this case).
B, you will not lose 5% worth of SP (I lost 50% of the highest SP skill, it's possible the 5% is when you have a lot less total SP).
C, you will not lose one level 5.
D, the OP is talking *******s.
|
Rented
|
Posted - 2011.04.23 21:17:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Rented on 23/04/2011 21:19:33 Bleh, nvm.
|
Tako Lordman
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 01:26:00 -
[44]
My ships are made from the tears of carebears, noobs, and lost SP idiots that can't remember to upgrade their clones.
|
Rented
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 02:00:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Tako Lordman My ships are made from the tears of carebears, noobs, and lost SP idiots that can't remember to upgrade their clones.
That this seems to be the sole reason to not improve the clone mechanic in some way, is the very reason I find the way it is to be idiotic.
CCP supposedly wants to mitigate the relatively massive learning curve of this game, so I don't see why senseless pitfalls like the 'remember to upgrade' mechanic exist when it adds no meaningful decision making to the game, adds no element of fun or depth, and is totally worthless beyond the long-past occasion where I enjoyed the petty elitism of laughing at those who managed to forget an upgrade.
|
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 04:19:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana Edited by: Mashie Saldana on 23/04/2011 15:34:43
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas Edited by: Hermosa Diosas on 23/04/2011 11:17:21
Originally by: Val'Dore
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi I could swear that the max amount of SP that could be lost was exactly one weeks worth. So if you lost say Amarr Carrier 5 you actually only lost 7 days of it and it is still partially trained. Is this not correct?
5% off the top of your highest sp invested skill.
you lose the highest level 5 skill you have..thats it..
@Val'Dore - not even close..im sure lots of people would love that idea though
All three of you are wrong:
Start SP level
Two poddings later to emulate OP:
Oh noes my SP backbone
So what does this tell us?
A, you will not lose 1 week worth of SP (it's 32d worth in this case).
B, you will not lose 5% worth of SP (I lost 50% of the highest SP skill, it's possible the 5% is when you have a lot less total SP).
C, you will not lose one level 5.
D, the OP is talking *******s.
My mistake then, 50% sp of the highest sp invested skill.
Can't really fault me for being wrong, I've only ever been podded thrice and never without an up to date clone :p
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Tiericide |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 16:37:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Val'Dore My mistake then, 50% sp of the highest sp invested skill.
Can't really fault me for being wrong, I've only ever been podded thrice and never without an up to date clone :p
Don't worry, I just wanted to prove the OP never been double podded and wanted to change a mechanic he doesn't know anything about.
Also no pilots were hurt in this little exercise as it was done on the test server.
|
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 18:16:00 -
[48]
I'd rather they introduced a hard-core mode in Eve.
Character gets double training speed and triple skill effects but is unable to clone .. perma-death! (just make leadership skills unavailable).
|
Drake Draconis
Minmatar Shadow Cadre Shadow Confederation
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 18:20:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida I'd rather they introduced a hard-core mode in Eve.
Character gets double training speed and triple skill effects but is unable to clone .. perma-death! (just make leadership skills unavailable).
Strangely enough... I kinda like that.
But they could farm those char's out and sell super cap pilot strength type pilots... course once they're dead... they're dead. ========================= CEO of Shadow Cadre http://www.shadowcadre.com ========================= |
Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 18:31:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida I'd rather they introduced a hard-core mode in Eve.
Character gets double training speed and triple skill effects but is unable to clone .. perma-death! (just make leadership skills unavailable).
Hell yeah, I'd go for that.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
Tiericide |
|
Raid'En
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 18:44:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Suitonia I personally think an "automatically update my clone" option would be a good addition to the game.
However I do not support the removal of the clone system in eve. It gives choices/values to where you place your clone and is a good isk sink.
this
|
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 19:43:00 -
[52]
op, this just recently happened to me too, but luckily it happened early in my career and i only lot two-weeks of SPs... i sympathize, really i do...
Originally by: J Kunjeh I think the clone upgrade feature works perfectly well. You just need to keep an eye on it and make sure to purchase and upgrade that has room to grow into. What happened to the OP sucks, no doubt, but it's a well known part of the game and I just don't see why it needs to be changed.
...but J Kunjeh's right... don't think its gonna change any time soon... too many other pressing matters out there...
Originally by: Seamus Donohue Supported conditionally. What I support is a pop-up reminder saying "WARNING: You are about to undock while your medical clone is out-of-date. If your capsule is destroyed, you will lose skillpoints. Are you sure you want to do this?" I do not support any other change.
...and yet there's an elegant solution! i wish i'd had a popup hit me in the face with a 'hey, doofus, youre undocking in an alpha-level clone! youre gate-camp revenge plan can wait another thirty seconds!'
just sayin...
__________________________________________________ Gravity: It's not just a good idea, it's the law!" --Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 19:49:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Val'Dore My mistake then, 50% sp of the highest sp invested skill.
huh? then how's it i lost an entire level 5 skill and two weeks of training time? does this mean there's a skill-time cap, above which only a percentage of the SPs are lost? that seems a little over-worked and soft on CCP's part, tbh...
/me is genuinely curuious __________________________________________________ Gravity: It's not just a good idea, it's the law!" --Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
Mashie Saldana
Minmatar Veto Corp
|
Posted - 2011.04.25 19:58:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: Val'Dore My mistake then, 50% sp of the highest sp invested skill.
huh? then how's it i lost an entire level 5 skill and two weeks of training time? does this mean there's a skill-time cap, above which only a percentage of the SPs are lost? that seems a little over-worked and soft on CCP's part, tbh...
/me is genuinely curuious
How many SP did you have at the time and what was the rank of the skill you lost all of level 5 in?
|
Consortium Agent
|
Posted - 2011.04.26 00:21:00 -
[55]
Originally by: CommmanderInChief This is something thats bugged me for like - ever. Im sure others have issues with this.
Not since like 2006, no, I haven't had an issue with this.
Originally by: CommmanderInChief I recently lost Cap Ships 5 - Ouch - Well I forgot to upgrade - Why well because there were a big battle going on, you die, you quickly jump back in a ship to fight again, forget to upgrade. It happens..Fair enough..
Is that fair? Really? I dont think so.
You do realize you answered your own question, right? . o O ( Is that fair? Really? forget to upgrade. It happens..Fair enough. )
But, since you're such an uber elitist you should remember a time in Eve when if you got podded in a clone that was sub-par, you lost all SP down to that clone level (yes, this included Alpha clones). Albeit, there wasn't a lot of training being done back then to begin with (not like today) but count your lucky stars - it could be worse.
Having said that, I absolutely vote no on changing the clone system whatsoever. It is designed to provide a lot of functionality including punishing those who are boisterous, forgetful or just plain stupid... I'm going to go with the latter in your case as you should know better than to jump back into a fleet fight with an alpha clone.
TL;DR
Tho I must agree that SP tears are very tasty - thanks for sharing them!
|
Shaera Taam
Minmatar Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
|
Posted - 2011.04.29 18:26:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Shaera Taam
Originally by: Val'Dore My mistake then, 50% sp of the highest sp invested skill.
huh? then how's it i lost an entire level 5 skill and two weeks of training time? does this mean there's a skill-time cap, above which only a percentage of the SPs are lost? that seems a little over-worked and soft on CCP's part, tbh...
/me is genuinely curuious
How many SP did you have at the time and what was the rank of the skill you lost all of level 5 in?
prolly bout 30M SP... was only Minnie Cruiser 5, but still hurt like hell. couldn't do anything but station-spin my vagabond for a while... and that's no fun; they're fugly buggers! sigh... cant win...
__________________________________________________ Gravity: It's not just a good idea, it's the law!" --Adam Savage, Mythbusters |
Habaticus
Gallente
|
Posted - 2011.04.30 09:43:00 -
[57]
OP
You screwed up and got burned. Stop whining and suck-it-up
The only change needs to be to your focus and organization.
|
Annie Mustaq
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 06:03:00 -
[58]
I know, old thread is old. but did everybody seriously miss this absolute stupidity?
Quote: second something. ok so e all watched the future vision vid. A. please pretty pretty please dont make eve have ground combat. i did say lease. B. what happens if u are killed outside ure pod like on the vid. in eve fiction u die permanetely.
Have you not heard of dust 514?
|
gallente sux
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 08:08:00 -
[59]
The thing is, this feature does not add anything to the gameplay. Its just another menial chore that everybody do. So why is it there?
|
Mithfindel
Zenko Incorporated
|
Posted - 2011.05.31 08:28:00 -
[60]
Not supported. The mechanic adds to gameplay. You are not supposed to like to die. Once dying becomes essentially meaningless - like it already is to the rich characters - PVP just breaks down. Large scale conflict is essentially already decided by who gets bored or demoralized first. Small-scale PVP (assuming it isn't dead yet) doesn't need to follow in suite.
What would be next? Losing a capship which took some time to save ISK (losing a skill which took some time to train) by being AFK in an anomaly (by not updating your clone) should be given back by CCP?
If you really, really can't remember to do simple things like updating clones, I suggest you download EveMon or some other character monitor software. Those do have built-in features, such as reminding you when your clone is running out. Then losing SP becomes even less like dying for going AFK in as "safe" POS and more like dying for going AFK while warping to a fleet fight - from simply careless to simply stupid.
Admitted, the "automatically upgrade clone" sounds okay, though there is an issue where you must be on a station with a med bay - which is an important distinction, since if you're able to upgrade anywhere, offices in stations with no medical facilities rise in value.
|
|
|
|
|
Pages: 1 [2] 3 :: one page |
First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |