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Duquesne Works
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Posted - 2011.04.22 03:29:00 -
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What are the support skills needed to "successfully" extract P1 mats from a planet in a lo-sec system, and then get those mats to an NPC station in the same low sec system? And by "successfully" I mean finding the sweet spot between an acceptable ship/character loss rate and the amount of trips needed to haul PI mats to the station.
Let's say I want to start a new alt to extract PI mats in lo-sec.
Obviously I'm nuts because PI is a maddening game for fools, but please humor me for a bit.
High sec extraction rates are extremely poor. Because of this I'm thinking of extracting in lo-sec. Trouble is I'm a certified carebear and don't know jack about lo-sec. This means that while I can work out all the PI related skills myself, I know next to nothing about what support skills I'll need to succeed in getting my PI loot from lo-sec planets back to NPC stations in the same system. Once I get the P1 and P2 materials back to the NPC station I'm fine from there as well.
Here are my main assumptions: ONE: Iteron V as my extraction vessel: It's cheap, and it can unload an entire planet's customs office in one trip. (Since I'll be transporting P1's and P2's the customs office is the only real way to go.) This means I'll need Gallente Frigate III and Gallente Industrial V so we can leave those out of the suggestions.
TWO: Skills that increase agility, speed, etc. are favored over implants or modules that do the same as I'm sure I'll be dying a fair amount and the additional costs of new implants/modules, as well as the time it takes to install them, is something I'd like to avoid.
THREE: By staying within the same system, the need to avoid gate camps is eliminated.
FOUR: I will have a cloak capable scouting alt available in the same system to assist my PI alt.
I've checked stickies for this topic as well as the first ten pages of this forum but have found nothing really usefull on this topic. If I've missed a pertinant thread, please feel free to send me a link. Any help would be appreciated and I'm also equipped for flames.
Thanks.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.22 03:41:00 -
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Blockade Runner. Cloak. Properly set-up warp-in and warp-out points, and a "keep at range" distance set to 2.5km. Done. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Duquesne Works
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Posted - 2011.04.22 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Blockade Runner. Cloak. Properly set-up warp-in and warp-out points, and a "keep at range" distance set to 2.5km. Done.
I should have specified that decent bookmarks were also a given so your point there is well taken.
On the subject of using a Blockade Runner I agree that that would be best if I was transporting low volumes of high value goods.
However, I will be doing the opposite by transporting HIGH volumes of LOW value P2 goods. That's why I was leaning towards an Itty V, because I don't want to spend the time it will take for multiple trips to haul 25,000 M3 of goods from a customs office to an NPC station in the same system.
Multiplied by five planets I don't think I'd like to make all those trips, even if I had the time.
But the cloak idea I like. Very much so. Thanks.
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Hugh The Hand
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Posted - 2011.04.22 04:55:00 -
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lol good luck with an iteron V in lowsec.
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Cire XIII
Caldari Righteous-Indignation
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hugh The Hand lol good luck with an iteron V in lowsec.
It works just fine:
Fit a cloak Fit a MWD Practice ... Profit
Go to lowsec and you'll see haulers all over =) ------------- Do not speak- unless it improves on silence. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Duquesne Works However, I will be doing the opposite by transporting HIGH volumes of LOW value P2 goods. That's why I was leaning towards an Itty V, because I don't want to spend the time it will take for multiple trips to haul 25,000 M3 of goods from a customs office to an NPC station in the same system.
Each launch facility will only hold 10k m³, and a BR (except for the Prowler) will fit that just nicely. Why do you need to cart around 25k each time? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.22 22:07:00 -
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Amarr Frigate 3, Amarr Industrial 2, Hull Upgrades 2, Mechanic 3 and your standard PI skills.
A Bestower with a full set of Cargohold I's in the lows can fit 10k m3 which is a full launchpad worth of storage. The ship is cheap enough you can drop a dozen of them at your station of choice and giggle it off anytime you lose one..
Install a medical clone at the station. With your standard PI alt skills and the ship skills you won't need an upgraded clone. If your ship gets violenced you've lost a few days of work, and half a million ISK in the ship. Being pod-killed doesn't matter when your pilot has no skills and you'll still be IN system, so you don't have to leave.
Simple. Why futz with anything extra when the bare minimum's will work?
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:27:00 -
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Evasive Maneuvering V for 25% improved ship agility. I like having this as well for a hauler character, as with a racial frigate V, you can open up the tackle interceptors as really nice shuttles (quick to enter warp, incredibly fast warp speeds with warp speed rigs)
Spaceship Command V for 10% agility. Not as big of a bonus, but it helps.
You could get an Iteron V and a Viator, The major skillpoint investment is the same for both of those ships (Gal Industrial V). Once you got the Itty V all you would need to train is a rank 1 Industy to V and transport ships to I. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.23 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia Each launch facility will only hold 10k m¦, and a BR (except for the Prowler) will fit that just nicely. Why do you need to cart around 25k each time?
You do know that customs offices hold 25k m3 of goods right?
You export until the office is full then haul everything so you don't have to haul every day.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:23:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77 You do know that customs offices hold 25k m3 of goods right?
You export until the office is full then haul everything so you don't have to haul every day.
Yes. It's just that hauling every day is a hellalot safer. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Eladaris on 26/04/2011 18:26:25
Originally by: Breaker77
You export until the office is full then haul everything so you don't have to haul every day.
Sounds like a marvelous idea. That way, when you get caught with 25k m3 of products you only end up losing two weeks of work, instead of doing a few minutes of work every few days with vastly lower risks.
If you want to move 25k m3 of PI materials at once, why not simply do it in high-sec? That way you can negate most of the risk v. reward equation.
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.04.26 18:37:00 -
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How to survive with low sec while doing PI ? Find a corp -> join low sec alliance and get stuff with only blues in local or join some wh/null corp + ally and do the same with even better protection. Or if you like being solo get a BR and set up a safe for undocking, though a BR with small sized mwd kicks off to warp instantly from a station.
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html |
Duquesne Works
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Posted - 2011.04.27 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Eladaris Edited by: Eladaris on 26/04/2011 18:26:25
Originally by: Breaker77
You export until the office is full then haul everything so you don't have to haul every day.
Sounds like a marvelous idea. That way, when you get caught with 25k m3 of products you only end up losing two weeks of work, instead of doing a few minutes of work every few days with vastly lower risks.
If you want to move 25k m3 of PI materials at once, why not simply do it in high-sec? That way you can negate most of the risk v. reward equation.
Eladaris, Everything you say is true. But the answers to your why questions are in my OP.
Why not extract in High Sec? A: High sec extraction rates are extremely poor. Because of this I'm thinking of extracting in lo-sec.
Why risk a full load of 25,000 M3 instead of making several trips with smaller loads? A: What are the support skills needed to "successfully" extract P1 mats from a planet in a lo-sec system, and then get those mats to an NPC station in the same low sec system? And by "successfully" I mean finding the sweet spot between an acceptable ship/character loss rate and the amount of trips needed to haul PI mats to the station.
So basically I do not want to make a lot of little trips because that would be "work" One big trip every now and then is more like "gambling" which is fine with me because the PI mats I extract are free until Dust comes out of vaporware.
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Cyniac
Gallente Twilight Star Rangers
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Posted - 2011.05.02 10:25:00 -
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By far and away the most important skill is to know how to chose the system you will be operating in wisely.
Incidentally don't forget that you will (probably) have to get the materials out of the lowsec system where you produced them at some point. Several ways to do this but it pays off to plan ahead.
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Camron Champagne
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.04 12:43:00 -
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I've run a network of planets between 3 characters in 2 adjoining low sec systems for several months now and not really had much issue. I just use a speed/agility/ecm fitted sigil for all 3 of them which has plenty of space without cargo expanders to shuttle the products between planets and then to the low sec station where i'm based to be prepped for sale in high sec. if you do need more space then some expanders or a Bestower should be fine. Unless your operating in a cesspool of pirate activity.
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Fuzzy Wuzzi
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:19:00 -
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Edited by: Fuzzy Wuzzi on 10/05/2011 22:21:00
Originally by: Camron Champagne I've run a network of planets between 3 characters in 2 adjoining low sec systems for several months now and not really had much issue. I just use a speed/agility/ecm fitted sigil for all 3 of them which has plenty of space without cargo expanders to shuttle the products between planets and then to the low sec station where i'm based to be prepped for sale in high sec. if you do need more space then some expanders or a Bestower should be fine. Unless your operating in a cesspool of pirate activity.
Same here. At first I fit all my bestowers with nozzle rigs/damage controls. Now, they all have cargo rigs, expanded cargo holds because I am never bothered with.
It doesn't really matter what skills you pick, but more the system. Pick a nice, quite lowsec area and you'll be fine. Do at least get cloaking, though, and always have at least 2 warp core stabilizers and 2 medium shield extenders fitted.
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