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Phobos Kashada
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:13:00 -
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This is more of a rant - something I wanna get off of my chest without offending the people that it probably would, but I'd also like to know if anyone else has this problem and how do you deal with it?
I've got a handful of friends, all that have this indoctrinated addiction to WoW. They bounce from game to game (Rift, Aion, War - all WoW-esque games) whenever WoW starts to get stale for them and then promptly hop back on when they realize they'd rather be prancing around on their Elves and Orcs.
Back in January I managed to get ALL of them into EVE. Here's what happened.
Friend #1 makes it five minutes into the tutorial and claims it's too slow and it's Excel in space. Logs off. Friend #2 detests the fact that you do not have direct control over your ship and that you don't have a physical avatar outside of a pod. Leaves within a week. Friend #3 and #4 stick around for almost a month. I try to drag them away from mining and missions by taking them out to low-sec and nullsec to see some splosions. Regardless, their accounts go inactive and it's back to WoW with them. And the final friend leaves pretty shortly as well, mortified that he may be forced into a PVP situation.
As I speak, they're running dungeons in WoW. I played that poor excuse for a game for quite some time with these guys and they're alright to chill with, but the mind scrubbing Blizzard has done to them aggravates me to no end.
Do I have no hope of ever playing EVE with these guys? Or is there something I'm missing here?
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:15:00 -
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Your only option is to ninja loot the hell out of them to make them ragequit WoW
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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Phobos Kashada
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Alotta Baggage Your only option is to ninja loot the hell out of them to make them ragequit WoW
lol That is a fantastic idea, but... bleh, I dont know.
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Phobos Kashada Do I have no hope of ever playing EVE with these guys? Or is there something I'm missing here?
You're missing the fact that some people just enjoy other games.
It may be worthless, inferior, boring and "lame" from your perspective, but hey, some people just enjoy boring grindfests in which you can share common goals which don't involve ****ting on someone else's fun time.
/shrug. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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Phobos Kashada
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:25:00 -
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Edited by: Phobos Kashada on 22/04/2011 18:25:36 This is true, but out of five people you'd think maybe one of them would have maybe a slight interest. Unless science fiction is less popular than I had originally thought.
edit: I'm being selfish, aren't I? :P
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Blane Xero
Amarr The Firestorm Cartel
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Posted - 2011.04.22 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Phobos Kashada edit: I'm being selfish, aren't I? :P
You wouldn't be an Eve player otherwise. _____________________________________ Haruhiist since December 2008
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.04.22 19:16:00 -
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remember that stick around ration in eve online is under 5% of all trials, eve is still a niche game
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Sader Rykane
Amarr Midnight Sentinels Midnight Space Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.22 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Phobos Kashada This is more of a rant - something I wanna get off of my chest without offending the people that it probably would, but I'd also like to know if anyone else has this problem and how do you deal with it?
I've got a handful of friends, all that have this indoctrinated addiction to WoW. They bounce from game to game (Rift, Aion, War - all WoW-esque games) whenever WoW starts to get stale for them and then promptly hop back on when they realize they'd rather be prancing around on their Elves and Orcs.
Back in January I managed to get ALL of them into EVE. Here's what happened.
Friend #1 makes it five minutes into the tutorial and claims it's too slow and it's Excel in space. Logs off. Friend #2 detests the fact that you do not have direct control over your ship and that you don't have a physical avatar outside of a pod. Leaves within a week. Friend #3 and #4 stick around for almost a month. I try to drag them away from mining and missions by taking them out to low-sec and nullsec to see some splosions. Regardless, their accounts go inactive and it's back to WoW with them. And the final friend leaves pretty shortly as well, mortified that he may be forced into a PVP situation.
As I speak, they're running dungeons in WoW. I played that poor excuse for a game for quite some time with these guys and they're alright to chill with, but the mind scrubbing Blizzard has done to them aggravates me to no end.
Do I have no hope of ever playing EVE with these guys? Or is there something I'm missing here?
Note, that with the recent removal of learning skills I would do things a little differently now. However this is what worked for me in the past. Related note: They're all still playing.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2011.04.22 19:48:00 -
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The goal of why someone plays a game is what determines whether or not they stick around.
For some good hard gaming, I play Eve. But if time and mood allow for only mindless rifle-butt-to-the-head action, I play COD.
The question is, if WOW had non-consensual PVP, would it have so many players? What's the ratio of PVP to carebear server login in WOW?
What would it be if getting killed meant losing your stuff too?
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.04.22 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Phobos Kashada Do I have no hope of ever playing EVE with these guys? Or is there something I'm missing here?
It takes a certain amount of appreciation and almost certainly, a great amount of patience for people to stick with playing EVE. Your chances are slim next to none. Get over it.
Incarna/DUST won't change anything much. The player demographics that they're trying to capture are the types that enjoy playing with the Sims/Farmville/2nd Life, perhaps with a smattering of 3D shooters if they implement station combat. The core EVE gameplay will probably be still what you see now, possibly with upgraded UIs and better balance - once they get around to fixing them (in the next thousand years).
Bottomline, you end up with two major (opposing) demographics on a single stage. It depends what sort of content or gameplay CCP have in mind for Incarna/DUST debut .... mixing oil and water, it's a tricky preposition.
Onto another type of demographic, players that already identifies playing with the space sim genre, can be put-off by the heavy sandbox centric theme. This manifests in several common complaints about EVE that you hear; best one is probably "There's nothing to do!Ö". There's probably more real value in expanding & enriching the PVE environment to re-capture the above type of players than betting heavily on Incarna/DUST.
It'll be interesting to see how this will all unfold in the coming months. The free popcorn keeps me susbcribed
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Skorpynekomimi
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.22 23:06:00 -
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You have to be of a certain mindset to enjoy EVE. Most WoW players are not of that mindset. Neither are console gamers.
I, however, enjoy playing with spreadsheets and spaceships, and not controlling every little subsystem.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2011.04.23 00:04:00 -
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Yeah, your friends sound pretty dumb.
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Copine Callmeknau
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams The KWFL Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.23 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Skorpynekomimi You have to be of a certain mindset to enjoy EVE. [...] Neither are console gamers.
I, however, enjoy playing with spreadsheets and spaceships, and not controlling every little subsystem.
I really don't get this statement. I've been using consoles since I was a little kid, use them to this day. I love my console games. I love EVE (wouldn't have been playing it for 6yrs otherwise). I fail to see how liking consoles = not liking EVE.
Hell I don't even know many EVE players that don't play consoles occasionally/regularly.
Maybe it's the type of console? The games I played certainly required patience and many many many hours of time invested. Usually games where customisation is involved so I can tweak every little aspect of my char/bot/ship/car/plane to make it as uber as possible. Hell if I play a console game and it takes less than 30 hours to complete, I get seriously ****ed off and end up taking it back to the store for a refund.
Don't confuse XBOX owners with the rest of us cultured, refined console owners
...oh wait
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.23 01:26:00 -
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Find new friends in eve, or become a bittervet and join the WoW. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Riska Papuli
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Posted - 2011.04.23 11:08:00 -
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It's interesting how the fine forum community of Eve seems to be totally unable to understand that different people just might enjoy different things.
Perhaps playing this extremely tough and mature minority MMO while at the same time having sex with their girlfriends, drinking beer, smoking pot, working, serving in the military, hanging out with their friends, working out, studying, and partying has indeed made them better people than those playing any other MMO (Who, by the way, live in their parents' basement, are teenagers or unemployed and also highly likely perverts, virgins, stupid, antisocial, childish and obese). It's only natural that these disgusting basement dwellers should be playing the same game as the formerly mentioned Eve players, their role models, idols! They may never reach the heights of coolness, success and toughness of Eve players, but at least they're playing the same game.
OP: It's very unlikely they'll ever play Eve. I've tried to introduce several online acquaintances and friends of mine to the game, and very few have played more than a day or two. When you notice someone starting to find out about things by themselves, without always asking you first, you could say they're getting interested in the game and will likely keep playing.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.04.23 12:59:00 -
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This game is a mix of power mongering "gold diggers", sociopaths, eccentrics, professional lunatics and the bulk who want to get on in the game.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I really don't get this statement. I've been using consoles since I was a little kid, use them to this day. I love my console games. I love EVE (wouldn't have been playing it for 6yrs otherwise). I fail to see how liking consoles = not liking EVE.
Hell I don't even know many EVE players that don't play consoles occasionally/regularly.
I've never understood that either. I'm a huge console player myself, have been since the Atari days. I own all 3 major consoles out right now and I love them all for different reasons. And none of that precludes me from being a major Eve geek.
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.23 14:52:00 -
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Most people are risk averse. This is programmed biologically in my opinion. EVE is by nature pro risk even in its safest sectors. Therefore, it is us that have the problem so to speak
Kidding aside; the saying, "EVE is not for everyone," is true. This is not because the game is inferior/superior depending on one's point of view, but because nature determines one's likelihood to be attached to this game.
Slade
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Nikki666 Shooter
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:09:00 -
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Edited by: Nikki666 Shooter on 23/04/2011 16:09:52 I feel your pain. I too have friends that like wow and wont play any other game because of very similar reasons. I've been known to pop between WAR, Guidwars and hear... EVE wins !!!!! but convincing others that, to fly formation and bring burning death in the vacume of space is like ice-skating uphill.
the thing is i've found friends here to fly with. Much as i would love to have my Airsoft team or my closest friends online with me, I cant beat an Xbox or PS3 and i wont bow to the pressure to buy one. Some will alway only play FPS and others the likes of WoW.
So now I find my self back for good finding new pilots to fly with and liking the challenge that this brings.
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Nikki666 Shooter
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Posted - 2011.04.23 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue Edited by: Vogue on 23/04/2011 13:26:26 This game is a mix of power mongering "gold diggers", sociopaths, eccentrics, professional lunatics and the bulk who want to get on in the game. Truckin
You say that like its a bad thing....
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M'ktakh
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Posted - 2011.04.23 21:59:00 -
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Oooooh, some of your pals do not like the same games as you do.
Stop the presses!
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Reiisha
EVE University
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Posted - 2011.04.24 05:28:00 -
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Edited by: Reiisha on 24/04/2011 05:28:44 EVE is a videogame for people who like to work. WoW is a videogame for people who like to relax.
Spot the difference.
I honestly don't understand why anyone can say that "EVE is the best game evar!!!!!!!" when, at best, games are rated, experienced and judged at an incredibly subjective level. Some people might find fun in the very slow paced but involved playstyle of EVE, but it's most certainly not for everyone, especially people who just wanted to have some fun within a few minutes of getting home from a (tiresome) job.
"If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all"
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.24 05:33:00 -
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On an unrelated topic, but just as relevant (bugged the hell out of me for years before I knew about the interwebs). I was watching Demolition Man and finally got to look up how the 3 seashells work!
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Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Reiisha
I honestly don't understand why anyone can say that "EVE is the best game evar!!!!!!!" when, at best, games are rated, experienced and judged at an incredibly subjective level. Some people might find fun in the very slow paced but involved playstyle of EVE, but it's most certainly not for everyone, especially people who just wanted to have some fun within a few minutes of getting home from a (tiresome) job.
I don't think that most people who say that mean to imply that because it's subjectively the best game ever for them, that it's necessarily also for everyone. It clearly isn't for everyone, nor is any other game in existence.
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Christopher AET
Segmentum Solar Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.04.24 14:03:00 -
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What I don't get is people who try to play this game like WoW. Never venturing from their mission hub only grinding for better and more expensive pve battleships. (Yes I know that some are moneymaking alts of pvp chars) But many more are not. Some people log in in their little one man corp. Run missions and log off. weird.
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Alexander Vandegrift
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Posted - 2011.04.24 15:29:00 -
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Here's my 2c. I've played WoW and I play Eve now.
Eve is great because of all the options, but the UI really needs to be condensed and overhauled. I despise having to have to manually right click a ship and set what distance to stay at. Especially if its a fast moving target, to me it like trying to swat a fly IRL. Perhaps theres a keyboard command or a command to give a preset list of order(s), which I'm currently not aware of. The side panel with the jukebox and character sheet, all should be redone, it feels like unnecessary clutter. The way I set up my contacts, feels like I gotta go backwards (in thought process)to add a them. The ingame music reminds me of my grandmas' when she laments pot smoking in todays youth. I've been training on and off for about a year now doing about 1-2 missions every other week. My hope is that the game will get fun when I decide my skills are good enough to take pvp training lessons, and go pvpin with plex purchased mods and ships. |
Atra Hasis
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Posted - 2011.04.25 02:33:00 -
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OP take comfort in the fact that your avatar is super hot
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:10:00 -
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I play eve and bounce around to other games. currently playing rift right now and the whole I can't attack anyone I want is a bit annoying, plus the whole shard thing gets to me although mitigated a bit by the main reason I'm playing is because a bunch of people from idle are also playing and we are all on the same server, also the auction house thing annoys me, I really like eve's market system.
eve is pretty slow, but to say excel in space after 5m in the tutorial is a bit much. manual control would be a bit nice, but not really fitting for most ships. The no avatar thing is kinda disappointing but to finally get a wip demo of it after however many years well I'm disappoint, I was pretty much expecting that when I started playing. as for #3 and #4 lack of goals kinda hits some people hard, I'm kinda feeling that in eve right now. as for #5 welp I really like the attack anyone at any time but lots of people don't. makes me wonder what would happen if ccp opened a pve server, or made highsec safe and not safer, and/or got rid of the whole corpse looting and you got to respawn in a station with your ship and whatnot rather than go poof and its gone.
my friend sold me on the idea behind eve and that is what keeps me here. mostly the whole 0.0 politics thing, which is kinda funny I think as I don't really want to do any of that right now.
I really don't think blizzard did the mind scrubbing, most people just like to be in the safe zone.
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Netheranthem
Eve Engineering Finance Eve Engineering
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Posted - 2011.04.25 06:41:00 -
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Well, I can understand why people stay in WoW, especially seeing the few that choose to play "alternatively" like I did (Play the market, monopolize everything, pay guilds for gear), I don't see much people switching soon. I was totally captivated by EvE's market at the first glimpse, and it's way better than WoW's, though it's much harder to get good profit, as in WoW I was the only one trading!
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.25 10:22:00 -
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Couple months I was completely hooked on Mass Effect 1&2... all ready for 3! Got my good guy, my bad chick, my evil chick, and my super evil black man with bleached eyebrows
Originally by: Valkoinen Heteromies
I for one would love to be able to walk on stations and fly spaceships in the body of a little cute catgirl!
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