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Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2011.04.24 01:46:00 -
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I have recently graduated to battleships and although DPS is fun, they are just too dam sloooow. If I would prefer a faster level 4 mission running boat, what should I aim for? I do like my Cane although it is unsuited for level 4s.
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.24 01:48:00 -
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What do you need your BS to be fast in a level 4 mission? Mostly you just warp in, sit there and press F1-8.
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Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2011.04.24 01:56:00 -
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I guess I just enjoy moving a bit..
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Burnharder
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Posted - 2011.04.24 02:13:00 -
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Then you'll be wanting a Machariel :p.
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Fredfredbug4
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.24 02:15:00 -
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I would suggest a Tengu. Doesn't have the DPS of most Battleships but has an amazing tank and is much faster than a battleship.
And a hurricane can easily handle L4 with good skills. I'm a fan of this fit.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/25797-Hurricane-Dark-Fusion-Terror-L3-Mission-Runner.html
It's designed for L3 but this is a bit of overkill for that in my opinion. A T1 variant of this should be able to handle L3. As a result this should do fine for L4. I would remove one gyro and add a bit more tank to it but that's up to you.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.04.24 02:17:00 -
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Originally by: Flakey Foont I do like my Cane although it is unsuited for level 4s.
Then try a Sleipnir. Or the aforementioned Machariel, but that's a slightly different skill set and a much larger investment.
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Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2011.04.24 02:24:00 -
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Well Thanks! I use a T1 version of that Dark Fusion Cane build and love it. Maybe T2 will do it for level 4s. The Sleipnir looks like a goal I will head toward..
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Straight Edged
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Posted - 2011.04.24 06:31:00 -
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if u wanna bring a cane to lv4, prepare to be disappointed.
Thats all.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.24 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: Flakey Foont If I would prefer a faster level 4 mission running boat, what should I aim for?
A Machariel.
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Crabs Collector
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:00:00 -
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Use a fast BS with a speedmod.
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Michael McDonald
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Posted - 2011.04.24 18:22:00 -
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Here is the thing.. When you make the transition from BC to BS it is a trade off. Your added DPS comes at the cost of less mobility, unless you are flying a Machariel. You don't get something for nothing in this game. It will take you a while to adjust to BS crawl, but if you want BS size DPS, you need to not be in a rush.
PVE ships, especially BSs, are role focused. You can get a BS move about as fast as a slow BC, but it will not be focused for PVE anymore. You may find that going that slow is not for you. You have some options. Use a Machariel, or a T3 (see Tengu), if you want to go faster. But for raw cheap DPS for PVE, you more that likely looking at T1 BSs, Faction BSs, T2 BSs.
Its an adjustment that everyone goes through.
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Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.24 18:39:00 -
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Machariel, Tengu, Ishtar, Gila. All quite capable of L4s and not too slow. Just be aware with the Ishtar and Gila that webs = death since your speed is part of your tank (with those 2 you mainly just kite stuff around while your drones do the work)
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Ziaxi
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Posted - 2011.04.24 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Burnharder a Machariel
Originally by: Zhilia Mann Machariel
Originally by: Headerman A Machariel.
Originally by: Michael McDonald a Machariel.
Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Machariel
This!
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Vadim eM
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Posted - 2011.04.24 21:40:00 -
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Originally by: Flakey Foont I have recently graduated to battleships and although DPS is fun, they are just too dam sloooow. If I would prefer a faster level 4 mission running boat, what should I aim for? I do like my Cane although it is unsuited for level 4s.
Tengu.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.24 23:51:00 -
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macha even though it is a bs it is damn fast and agile, plus has huge dps or tengu fast, good dps, amazing range, not a battleship.
tbh I wouldn't bother with a cane or sleip.
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Soong Hay
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.04.24 23:59:00 -
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I'm doing mine in a Nighthawk, but it's not much better than a BS speed-wise. With my low/average skills it flies around 175m/s w/o speed mods.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.04.25 00:38:00 -
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Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton tbh I wouldn't bother with a cane or sleip.
The thing is, the Sleipnir would be a phenomenal mission ship if it weren't for the Machariel. But since the Machariel is faster, more agile, higher damage, longer range, and has a larger drone bay, plus can be fit to almost track as well....
Well, I guess the Sleip arguably wins on looks? And it's much, much cheaper. And it can actually get a slightly better burst tank (though generally the Mach's buffer more than makes up for that).
So... bleh. But I still like to pull mine out once in awhile.
Originally by: Soong Hay I'm doing mine in a Nighthawk, but it's not much better than a BS speed-wise. With my low/average skills it flies around 175m/s w/o speed mods.
For god's sake get an AB on that thing. Without one you're really missing out on the potential of that ship.
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Soong Hay
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.04.25 00:59:00 -
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Originally by: Zhilia Mann
For god's sake get an AB on that thing. Without one you're really missing out on the potential of that ship.
Does it imply active tanking? Would you mind sharing a fit?
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.25 01:18:00 -
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Originally by: Theodoric Darkwind Machariel, Tengu, Ishtar, Gila. All quite capable of L4s and not too slow. Just be aware with the Ishtar and Gila that webs = death since your speed is part of your tank (with those 2 you mainly just kite stuff around while your drones do the work)
I sit dead still in my Ishtar to do level 4s and Sanctums. Pfft, kiting, too much damn work.
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Georn
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2011.04.25 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Soong Hay
Originally by: Zhilia Mann
For god's sake get an AB on that thing. Without one you're really missing out on the potential of that ship.
Does it imply active tanking? Would you mind sharing a fit?
This one did the job for me without being too expensive. with low sp you might consider upgrading the tank a bit .. but it was enough for me.
[Nighthawk, PVE Active 300 Mill] 4 Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Power Diagnostic System II
Domination 10MN Afterburner Shield Boost Amplifier II Medium Shield Booster II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II
6 Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Small Tractor Beam I :)
Hobgoblin II x5
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2011.04.25 04:15:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK I sit dead still in my Ishtar to do level 4s and Sanctums. Pfft, kiting, too much damn work.
but I can orbit my drones at 1km and sit at 90% shields
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Soong Hay
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:03:00 -
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Edited by: Soong Hay on 25/04/2011 05:03:17
Originally by: Georn
This one did the job for me without being too expensive. with low sp you might consider upgrading the tank a bit .. but it was enough for me.
Thanks mate. With your setup I get 487dps (with regular scourge), and an omni-tank of 264. It's less tank than my actual setup but the speed might help to overcome that.
I'll give it a go next time I do a session of L4
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Judicator Saturnius
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.04.25 05:09:00 -
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Quote: nerf angel ships
fixed the above posts
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limbus
Big Shadows Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.04.25 08:24:00 -
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I remember nanophoons being the schizznit back in the days, but would his be viable for lv 4:s today?
Never flown a minnie BS myself...
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Songbird
Gallente T.I.E. Inc.
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Posted - 2011.04.25 14:30:00 -
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my mach does 1500(I love being able to use MWD in missions), most my cruisers (even t3) only go under 1000 because I fly em with AB.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.04.25 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: limbus I remember nanophoons being the schizznit back in the days, but would his be viable for lv 4:s today?
Not really. The speed isn't what it used to be and you need painters in the mids to make your torps even sorta work (they still have range issues). If you opt for cruise instead your damage will suffer quite a bit. And if you go with projectiles you really might as well go for a Maelstrom or even a Tempest. The package just doesn't come together quite right.
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