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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 05:01:00 -
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What would you do if its slowing down for unknown reason without resorting to reformat? (want to reformat, but waiting for a friend to get me a nice deal on MS office, get that, reformat PC, and then use ms office :) )
Say for example in my scenario, you able to run WinAmp, several browser tabs opened, Eve running in background, and playing League of Legends with constant 60 fps (plus other loaded programs like AIM, MSN, Skype, torrents, etc)
Now, only able to run just winamp and LoL is hovering between 45-60 fps going along with AIM, MSN, Skype, etc that are running.
I made sure drivers are all up to date, making sure unnecessary programs are loaded (from msconfig), checking for spywares, making sure main HD is not using more than 30% of the total capacity.
It is very appearent that supposely I need upgrade of RAMs. Experimented a few times that on a browser with multiple of tabs loaded, LoL FPS suffers greatly down to 20 fps and under. Do I need to upgrade RAM to 8 gigs?
Specs: OS: Windows 7 Ultimate CPU: Q6600 mobo: 750i evga FTW RAM: 4 gigs HD: 300gig HD (main HD), 2x 1T HDs (dedicated HD for steam games, and one for video entertainment) GPU: 470 GTX Evga Card (former, 8800 GLI)
Any tips would be appreciated, and again, what would you do if your PC is slowing down (beside reformatting)? ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.24 05:31:00 -
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Run CCleaner: http://www.piriform.com/ccleaner
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Tiswas
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2011.04.24 06:13:00 -
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Not using more than 30% of your main HDD? Is that honestly necessary?
I've also downloaded Piriform Defraggler (same company as CCleaner) and it's running atm. Cleared up a good bunch of space, and will hopefully help my performance. Use the CCleaner program and do registry fixes. I also intend to CLEAN the inside of my laptop, as it's not had a good cleaning in awhile... which I understand, might help.
I also would appreciate additional input on this subject.
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Alotta Baggage
Amarr Imperial Manufactorum Armada Assail
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Posted - 2011.04.24 07:19:00 -
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spybot search and destroy is also a good program to help fix the computer
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Unwanted.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:55:00 -
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I have a very similar specification to yours, but using older motherboard.
I would run a series of tests with things like 3D Mark Vantage or Maxon Cinebench, after you have explored all other possibilities.
What this tell you is how your system is performing compared with other systems of similar/same specification.
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J Kunjeh
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:11:00 -
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AVG has what seems to be a fairly good PC tune-up utility. Worth checking out. Also, maybe a backup and then fresh install of the OS?
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.04.24 14:19:00 -
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I'm not an MS-basher, but I dumped Office for OpenOffice about 18 months ago, and that alone has kept my laptop in "racing form." Can't say I know for sure that it was MSOffice slowing things down, but I have a tendency like the OP to accumulate a lot of apps on my PC and this time things are running like day1 of reformat.
I'm no open-source evangelist, but I have started going to their church
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.24 14:22:00 -
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Defrag... add more ram... clean out the ole HDD/move large files such as movies to an external, or storage HDD.
Clean out the inside...check thermal paste...check temps/fans
Eventually HDD's do become slower it just happens. You can try to raid config some of them.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.24 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 24/04/2011 14:35:07 defrag defrag defrag.
defraggler is quite good.
paid options you have diskeeper 2011, which is much better. of course it's paid tho, altho I think there's a free version.
also, sometimes you can check your mobo's manunfacturer website. they sometimes have bios updates that can actually improve performance a bit (or unlock new bios options). ---
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.04.24 15:18:00 -
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1 SSD 2 raid 0
3 use gentoo
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.24 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon 1 SSD 2 raid 0
3 use gentoo
4 goodbye TRIM? ---
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.24 16:34:00 -
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Get 8GB of RAM. Should be the standard by now, no?
Also updating drivers for no particular reason other than being newer drivers is not a good idea. A newer driver can sometimes leave you with a slower machine. Usually do newer driver versions contain improvements only for newer hardware (besides the bug fixes of course). The changes then lead to a minor performance degradation on older hardware, because the drivers are being optimized for the newer hardware.
The number of background tasks you have plays a role, too. Each interrupt they cause, each tick they update something or check a status means that another application will have to wait or gets kicked out of the CPU cache for a moment. Even when you have multiple cores in your CPU that seem to be idling most of the time do applications get affected by lots of seemingly idle background tasks.
Harddrives that are filling up, usually somewhere above 80% require more and more CPU time for the operating system to place files onto the drive. You then need very good defragmentation tools (and will only help so much), or better a bigger disk. --
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.04.24 18:28:00 -
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Originally by: Grimpak goodbye TRIM?
on what ssd ?
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.24 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: ceaon
Originally by: Grimpak goodbye TRIM?
on what ssd ?
unless you didn't meant SSD on raid0 that is ---
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 19:49:00 -
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Edited by: NeoShocker on 24/04/2011 19:58:29 Yeah, you are right that 8 gigs is the new standard for PCs. I am leaning towards it as the possible final upgrade for this PC.
Originally by: Grimpak Edited by: Grimpak on 24/04/2011 14:35:07 defrag defrag defrag.
defraggler is quite good.
paid options you have diskeeper 2011, which is much better. of course it's paid tho, altho I think there's a free version.
also, sometimes you can check your mobo's manunfacturer website. they sometimes have bios updates that can actually improve performance a bit (or unlock new bios options).
Done that on mobo updates, it isn't updated from evga judging from the date posted. As for defragging, I think I mentioned that windows 7 does that automatically for you and that I heard win7 defragging isn't bad compared to other programs, which is why I didn't get any stand alone ones.
Originally by: Tiswas Not using more than 30% of your main HDD? Is that honestly necessary?
Yes, it is. Fill out your HD to 80% to 90% total and you will find out why. Best explained through experience. And this is for plated disks, I don't know how SSD drives performed when capacity is nearly filled.
Originally by: Tiswas
I've also downloaded Piriform Defraggler (same company as CCleaner) and it's running atm. Cleared up a good bunch of space, and will hopefully help my performance. Use the CCleaner program and do registry fixes. I also intend to CLEAN the inside of my laptop, as it's not had a good cleaning in awhile... which I understand, might help.
Will give those a try.
Originally by: Tiswas
I also would appreciate additional input on this subject.
That is the objective for this thread, provide solutions not just for me, but for everyone else with similar problems. :) ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
Caleidascope
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.04.24 20:27:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel Defrag... add more ram... clean out the ole HDD/move large files such as movies to an external, or storage HDD.
Clean out the inside...check thermal paste...check temps/fans
Eventually HDD's do become slower it just happens. You can try to raid config some of them.
Gah! I can not believe I forgot about defragment. Thank you.
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Grimpak
Gallente The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.24 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Grimpak on 24/04/2011 20:29:41
Originally by: NeoShocker As for defragging, I think I mentioned that windows 7 does that automatically for you and that I heard win7 defragging isn't bad compared to other programs, which is why I didn't get any stand alone ones.
usually, built-in options aren't that great. Diskeeper is interesting as, it's actually installed as a service, so it defrags the files on the fly as in it keeps working while computer is idle, or actually attempts to put the file in the harddrive as defragged as it can, when file copy occurs, or at least it's what it appears to do.
edit: also, keep in mind that you need to have a 64bit OS to run ram above the 4GB mark. ---
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.04.24 20:53:00 -
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@Grimpak damn i need to post more example /home on raid0 + any non static files folders on raid0 all "static" files on ssd
@OP also you can change cluster size for your HDD small files will take more hdd(meh) and you will get some (next to nothing) speed (ntfs meh) ccleaner cleanafterme defrag defrag defrag
simple solution put win 7 on ssd
Originally by: Danton Marcellus
If the whole country is corrupted then it's no longer corruption but culture.
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.04.24 21:00:00 -
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Windows runs far slicker on a SSD as you don't get those IO latency farts that a conventional hard disk has.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.24 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vogue Windows runs far slicker on a SSD as you don't get those IO latency farts that a conventional hard disk has.
My Linux boots in 16 seconds to my desktop, thanks to an SSD. --
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0vermind
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Posted - 2011.04.24 21:54:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Vogue Windows runs far slicker on a SSD as you don't get those IO latency farts that a conventional hard disk has.
My Linux boots in 16 seconds to my desktop, thanks to an SSD.
8 sec win7 on a ssd
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 22:17:00 -
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Question, is 30gig SSD all you need for the OS and using the 300gig HD for all other programs? ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.24 22:26:00 -
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Depends on the OS... Id go with a larger one and then fit say your most used app or favorite game. But in some instances OS's can get pretty big.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.04.24 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: 0vermind
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Vogue Windows runs far slicker on a SSD as you don't get those IO latency farts that a conventional hard disk has.
My Linux boots in 16 seconds to my desktop, thanks to an SSD.
8 sec win7 on a ssd
But is it yours? --
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NeoShocker
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.04.24 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Blacksquirrel Depends on the OS... Id go with a larger one and then fit say your most used app or favorite game. But in some instances OS's can get pretty big.
Windows 7 ultimate ----------------------------------- Peace through power! |
Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.04.25 02:19:00 -
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Depends on if you use all it's features... I dont know off the top of my head how much space bit locker etc use. Windows 7 can actually scale to a HDD. Think a professor installed it once with 8 gigs left. This is of course means not every feature installed.
But no i'd up it to 64gb to be on the safe side....who knows how big the service packs will be in the future.
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Mister Rocknrolla
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Posted - 2011.04.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: NeoShocker
Originally by: Blacksquirrel Depends on the OS... Id go with a larger one and then fit say your most used app or favorite game. But in some instances OS's can get pretty big.
Windows 7 ultimate
Yeah...haven't looked into the how's/why's, but my Ultimate PC boots up in about 20sec, and the Home Prem in about 45-60sec. Both on standard 7200rpm HDs, both 64-bit. Each HD about 50% capacity.
Haven't bumped up RAM on either box since OS install (4GB). Haven't noticed a problem, so not sure what 8GB will give me, but RAMs cheap these days so maybe...
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Vogue
Short Bus Pole Dancers
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Posted - 2011.04.25 13:30:00 -
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Edited by: Vogue on 25/04/2011 13:31:24 I upgraded from 4GB to 8GB of RAM so I could be somewhat lazy and leave more applications open including a virtual machine and play games. 4GB of RAM with Windows 7 is still sufficient to play all games so long as don't have too many applications open at the same time. And as I have an SSD I have disabled the Superfetch caching service.
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0vermind
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Posted - 2011.04.25 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: 0vermind
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Vogue Windows runs far slicker on a SSD as you don't get those IO latency farts that a conventional hard disk has.
My Linux boots in 16 seconds to my desktop, thanks to an SSD.
8 sec win7 on a ssd
But is it yours?
yes
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:11:00 -
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Advanced Systemcare Free.
Does everything from defragging to spyware removal in one fell swoop.
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