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Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.04.24 07:03:00 -
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Is this one any good for PvE? I've played around a bit in EFT, but DPS numbers seem okish with only moderate range. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong in the setup?
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Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker
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Posted - 2011.04.24 08:58:00 -
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For PVE, the ishtar is almost always better than the gila.
the gila can use heavies, but lacks the cpu to use any sentry rigs.
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring For PVE, the ishtar is almost always better than the gila.
the gila can use heavies, but lacks the cpu to use any sentry rigs.
The Gila has considerably more cpu than the Ishtar. The Gila has more rig slots. The Gila can support a very powerful passive shield tank. The Gila has a larger drone bay, regardless of skills. The Gila fits weapons that are actually useful.
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Zalbrak
Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring the gila can use heavies, but lacks the calibration to use 2 sentry rigs.
fyp
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Anya Ohaya
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Posted - 2011.04.24 11:31:00 -
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Edited by: Anya Ohaya on 24/04/2011 11:34:48
Originally by: Mavnas Is this one any good for PvE?
Is the pope Catholic?
You can fit a huge passive shield tank + speed tank at the same time (since it's a cruiser) and let the drones do all the work while you make breakfast. Gila can tank a whole room when orbiting on afterburner while your drones pick off the enemy.
DPS is lower than some L4 ships, so it might not best for blitzing, but the lack of skill and attention required of it is unsurpassed.
Just watch out for webs/neuts.
Oh and it's cheap and works with a t2 fit (no need for expensive mods).
The only downside is it's based on the Moa, one of the ugliest ships in the game.
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Mavnas
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Posted - 2011.04.24 15:26:00 -
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Hmm... still feels like I'd be losing too much moving down to one from a NH .
Range seems to be relatively short for L4s.
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.24 21:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mavnas Hmm... still feels like I'd be losing too much moving down to one from a NH .
Range seems to be relatively short for L4s.
That's because you're comparing a cruiser to a battlecruiser.
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Rakkeer Fundami
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Posted - 2011.04.24 21:26:00 -
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In my very limited experience with the Gila its a really nice boat that I want to love. Drake tank+Domi drones should equal win. Sadly for the isk involved in buying/building one you'd be better off with the Domi in most any situation. Add in the hassle of dealing with it's pretty meager PG/CPU and it's not exactly the ball of win I thought it would be. The Gila is very much overkill for a level 3, and the myrmidon(also overkill) will handle those with ease for far less money. A level 4, the Domi gives you far more wiggle room if you afk mission's and get webbed etc. You can shield tank the Domi, armor tank it then refit it and go Neut/brawl in PVP. I don't think training time is any more than cross training caldari/gallente cruiser for the Gila to shine, which it really doesn't till your cruiser skills are IV/V. My advice is get the Domi, and never look back for PVE. It's cheaper, easier to fit, is insurable for a fair amount of the price, more versatile and only lacking in speed compared to the Gila which is no speedster itself. That said if you have ISK to burn, why the heck not? Know you will be taking more time than a domi running 4's, so if efficiency is your goal keep that in mind.
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Batelle
do you
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Posted - 2011.04.24 22:30:00 -
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Originally by: Rakkeer Fundami Sadly for the isk involved in buying/building one you'd be better off with the Domi in most any situation.
That's not really true, a fully rigged domi won't be that much cheaper than a fully rigged gila. There's also plenty of situations (ie, not a hisec mission) you could take a gila that you wouldn't want to take a battleship. Also the drones will be better on the gila for people with gal cruiser 5 that don't have gal BS 5.
Quote: You can shield tank the Domi, armor tank it then refit it and go Neut/brawl in PVP.
maybe if you like destroying rigs
Quote: I don't think training time is any more than cross training caldari/gallente cruiser for the Gila to shine, which it really doesn't till your cruiser skills are IV/V.
Not many ships shine at all without having lvl 4 of that ship's skill.
Quote: My advice is get the Domi, and never look back for PVE. It's cheaper, easier to fit, is insurable for a fair amount of the price, more versatile ...Know you will be taking more time than a domi running 4's, so if efficiency is your goal keep that in mind.
Also, insurance on a PVE ship?
I agree the domi is a better lvl 4 boat, but that's because it does more damage with its railguns and has a tiny bit more calibration for rigs. Don't count out the gila on this alone, because its more agile, faster, and can tank harder than a domi will. Don't equate PVE with level 4 missions, because there are plenty of places a gila will outshine a domi
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.04.25 10:38:00 -
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i still use Gila for running Drone Hordes. Half a year ago i used to run Angel Sanctums with Gila. And this is no perfect skills and no crazy expensive shuff and no crazy implants. Only T2 shield rigs + (Caldari Navy Invul + Domination Invul) and lvl4 of skills.
Caldari Navy Invul + Domination Invul = good resist when 1 invul is active and 13 minutes of cap when both invuls are active.
Even in Drone Horde with Neutralize tower Gila works well when cap is gone (i never can destroy this tower before it finished my cap).
Nice ship for lazybones like me =)
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.26 04:36:00 -
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Edited by: Kesshisan on 26/04/2011 04:43:43
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se The Gila has considerably more cpu than the Ishtar. The Gila has more rig slots. The Gila can support a very powerful passive shield tank. The Gila has a larger drone bay, regardless of skills. The Gila fits weapons that are actually useful.
Edit: Try this fit
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/33238-The-New-Gila-MKII.html
510 dps 585 tank
Hello, I plugged that into EFT, and one thing is concerning me:
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Even with all Level V skills, the cap only lasts 4m and 11seconds without the tractor and salvager active.
Even with only the Invulnerability Fields active the cap only lasts 7 minutes.
To me, this is unacceptable for a mission running ship. However I don't know how to remedy the issue to my satisfaction.
I recently got my first Gila, and am running into the same problem as above. Especially because I don't have anything close to all level Vs. To remedy this I've replaced the Shield Power Relays with Power Diagnostic Systems and this is the result:
Image. (P.S. I use one Invuln I because I can't get a 2nd Invuln II in my region. I will eventually swap over to specific hardners, but I can't get them right now.)
(You can view my skills on Eveboard if you wish.)
The PDUs have made me take a hit on the tank, but the Gils still has an acceptable amount of tank considering how fast I move. I have tanked L4 missions with this using intelligence (Read: Not flying straight into 4 packs and going afk like a dominix.) And while I lack the DPS to run L4s solo due to my low drone skills, I have friends who enjoy me tagging along. Furthermore I am cap stable even with the tractor beam and salvager running. This is not a requirement, but a nice bonus.
I'm training up skills which will reduce the capacitor use, but something about the whole 1x AB + 2x LSE + 2x Active Hardners setup seems like it could be improved.
Does anyone have any ideas?
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Loraine Gess
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Posted - 2011.04.26 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt i still use Gila for running Drone Hordes. Half a year ago i used to run Angel Sanctums with Gila. And this is no perfect skills and no crazy expensive shuff and no crazy implants. Only T2 shield rigs + (Caldari Navy Invul + Domination Invul) and lvl4 of skills.
Caldari Navy Invul + Domination Invul = good resist when 1 invul is active and 13 minutes of cap when both invuls are active.
Even in Drone Horde with Neutralize tower Gila works well when cap is gone (i never can destroy this tower before it finished my cap).
Nice ship for lazybones like me =)
You put on a module worth more than the cost of the hull, that qualifies as crazy expensive.
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UMEE
Gunship Diplomacy
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Posted - 2011.04.26 05:38:00 -
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Gila only works better than the Ishtar as a short/medium range brawler in pvp. Ishtar for everything else.
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Zan Shiro
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Posted - 2011.04.26 06:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan Does anyone have any ideas?
for better cap switch out at least 1 invul for a passive resist. Not saying go ds passive but....I like the gist b passive resists. MIne have seen a few ships. Don't lose ships, they are an investment that keeps on giving lol. T2 passive resists could also work...jsut be lower resists. Your speed tank should help from getting beat as hard to make them effective I imagine.
Also for the bs you could get by on ab pulsing maybe. Ride it for the frigate kills and jsut spank ab as needed for the bs kills.
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.26 06:36:00 -
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Originally by: UMEE Gila only works better than the Ishtar as a short/medium range brawler in pvp. Ishtar for everything else.
The Ishtar is a 40-50day train difference from a Gila. HAS IV is another 7 days after that.
Not everybody has the skills to fly an Ishtar. But mostly anyone can sit their bum in a Gila in a relatively short amount of time regardless of where you start your training from.
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Noemi Nagano
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Posted - 2011.04.26 06:58:00 -
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I am able to fly all those Drone-Bonused l4 capable ships (Dominix, Rattlesnake, Ishtar and Gila) and got to say, the Gila is really nice for various reasons:
1) its pretty easy to get the skills to fly a Gila quite OK (both cruiser skills 4, passive shield tank, some sort of aggro-launcher, sentry drones)
2) its tank is not only vs kin/therm but could be fitted also for other stuff quite ok
3) it can be fitted completely capless for l5s - flew a few of them in my Gila :D for l5s it will do the same tank as a Drake but put bonused Sentry-DPS and not just missile-DPS without damage mods ;)
that being said, the Ishtar is also very strong and will most likely do the very same (although it cant pull aggro without cap).
Dominix and Rattlesnake are both stronger (Dominix in DPS, or perma-rep-tank esp in EM/Therm , and RS just insane tank or nice damage application, or a mix), but do also need more skills to work well.
For those who are a bit lazy and dont care too much about mission completion times but like to have a nice afk-able ship a Gila is not a bad choice at all to start with, although it lacks a bit the ability to be something else than just that (in PvE ofc, for PvP its different).
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Pookoko
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Posted - 2011.04.26 07:28:00 -
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I'd just like to add that another advantage of Gila is that you can rig it for PvP (Core Defence Field Extenders) and it still performs alright for PvE. It's also good when you roam in low-sec in your PvP fit 'cause it still performs as a good ratting/anomalie running ship without having to worry about ammo consumption, so you can Pew-Pew, rat a bit, Pew-Pew, rat a bit, and keep your sec status in check (same is probably true for Ishtar though :p).
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.26 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan Edited by: Kesshisan on 26/04/2011 04:43:43
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se The Gila has considerably more cpu than the Ishtar. The Gila has more rig slots. The Gila can support a very powerful passive shield tank. The Gila has a larger drone bay, regardless of skills. The Gila fits weapons that are actually useful.
Edit: Try this fit
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/33238-The-New-Gila-MKII.html
510 dps 585 tank
Hello, I plugged that into EFT, and one thing is concerning me:
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Even with all Level V skills, the cap only lasts 4m and 11seconds without the tractor and salvager active.
Even with only the Invulnerability Fields active the cap only lasts 7 minutes.
To me, this is unacceptable for a mission running ship. However I don't know how to remedy the issue to my satisfaction.
I recently got my first Gila, and am running into the same problem as above. Especially because I don't have anything close to all level Vs. To remedy this I've replaced the Shield Power Relays with Power Diagnostic Systems and this is the result:
Image. (P.S. I use one Invuln I because I can't get a 2nd Invuln II in my region. I will eventually swap over to specific hardners, but I can't get them right now.)
(You can view my skills on Eveboard if you wish.)
The PDUs have made me take a hit on the tank, but the Gils still has an acceptable amount of tank considering how fast I move. I have tanked L4 missions with this using intelligence (Read: Not flying straight into 4 packs and going afk like a dominix.) And while I lack the DPS to run L4s solo due to my low drone skills, I have friends who enjoy me tagging along. Furthermore I am cap stable even with the tractor beam and salvager running. This is not a requirement, but a nice bonus.
I'm training up skills which will reduce the capacitor use, but something about the whole 1x AB + 2x LSE + 2x Active Hardners setup seems like it could be improved.
Does anyone have any ideas?
For one thing, that's just a random fit I grabbed as an example. It's not meant to be the Bible. If you're worried about cap, try this:
[Gila, The New Gila MKII Modified] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Omnidirectional Tracking Link I
Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Sabretooth Light Missile Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
That gets the same dps, with 474 tank. It's cap stable with the salvager and tractor off.
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Khadrea Shakor
Minmatar Shakor Freight and Mining Service
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Posted - 2011.04.26 08:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan cap issues
Does anyone have any ideas?
Sure, go passive. For example this for guristas:
[Gila, Gila] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Gistum C-Type Heat Dissipation Amplifier Gistum C-Type Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Omnidirectional Tracking Link I Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Sabretooth Light Missile Small Tractor Beam I Salvager I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5
Those deadspace mods are really not expensive, the faction AB is well worth it.
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Techno Panda
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Posted - 2011.04.26 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan
Originally by: UMEE Gila only works better than the Ishtar as a short/medium range brawler in pvp. Ishtar for everything else.
The Ishtar is a 40-50day train difference from a Gila. HAS IV is another 7 days after that.
Not everybody has the skills to fly an Ishtar. But mostly anyone can sit their bum in a Gila in a relatively short amount of time regardless of where you start your training from.
Your gonna need gal cruiser 5 to fly gila well, every other pre req for the ishtar is a must anyway, train fir it, I promise you will never regret it
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Shotoku Taishi
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Posted - 2011.04.26 11:42:00 -
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Edited by: Shotoku Taishi on 26/04/2011 11:43:23 Edited by: Shotoku Taishi on 26/04/2011 11:42:47 Using two battleclinic fits, I worked this up in eft (I warrior with the best of them). Its still not totally cap stable, but decently so. The only way to get a truely cap stable fit is with passive faction amps (see Gila PvE L4). Naturally, the fitting cost for the below is completely outrageous and since I'm poor there is no way I can test it in an actual mission. Critique and lols are welcome.
Resists: 72.4% EM 77.9% Therm 83.4% Kin 86.2% Exp
Capacitor Lasts: 28 m 2 s (Both Invulns and DC active) 7 m 42 s (with AB)
Total EHP 57574
Shield: 44727 EHP 159.9 s Recharge Time 140.16 hp/s Peak Recharge
Total DPS: 545.9 (T2 Garde and T2 Heavies)
[Gila, Ridiculously Expensive] Shield Flux Coil II Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link Corelum A-Type 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Thunderbolt Fury Heavy Missile Salvager I Small Tractor Beam I
Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Garde II x5 Ogre II x5 Hammerhead II x5 Hobgoblin II x5
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McRoll
Minmatar Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.26 13:06:00 -
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And what is this supposed to be used for? Obviously not PvP given the cost and no lvl 5's since its not fully passive. A standard T1 BS will do way more DPS for PvE activities.
So... eft warrioring at its finest?
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Sea Sharp
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Posted - 2011.04.26 13:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sea Sharp on 26/04/2011 13:22:00
Originally by: McRoll And what is this supposed to be used for? Obviously not PvP given the cost and no lvl 5's since its not fully passive. A standard T1 BS will do way more DPS for PvE activities.
So... eft warrioring at its finest?
I suspect this is related to a conversation I was in on in-game about exploration. The argument went something like this: new to exploration, just flown a hulk before, what ship shall I use?
The stock answer was "Tengu" but obviously that was out of the question given skilling (for immediate or near immediate use). Next came things like Arbi and Vexor, but someone was suggesting the Gila. I thought this was bad advice, given the cost of the Gila and the fact the even an experienced pilot in a cruiser/HAC or T3 can potentially screw up in an escalation if he forgets his triggers and/or his speed tank gets 4x webbed, is 8x damped, has no drones and is 4x scrambled :p.
Anyway, the thing about all this is that for a lot of exploration sites you aren't going to squeeze your BS through the acceleration gate, so it's really got to be a cruiser.
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Shotoku Taishi
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Posted - 2011.04.26 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: McRoll And what is this supposed to be used for? Obviously not PvP given the cost and no lvl 5's since its not fully passive. A standard T1 BS will do way more DPS for PvE activities.
So... eft warrioring at its finest?
Given that all the fits seemed practical up to this point, I felt the need to suggest an outrageously expensive one. Plus I like the shiny resists. My original thought for the fit was incursions. But as I began to price it, I realized it was a very stupid thought. The only other place I think it would be applied is the AE4 bonus room. But, naturally, there are other ships/fits that can do it better and cheaper. |
bartos100
Killer Koalas R.A.G.E
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Posted - 2011.04.26 14:41:00 -
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the faction mods are a bit over the top but those t2 rigs are a MUST on a gila
it helps a great deal with the tank without screwing up the cap like power relays
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Salient
Caldari APOCALYPSE LEGION
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Posted - 2011.04.26 14:41:00 -
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The Gila works great as a fully passive shield tank - just use rat-specific amps for missions/sites and you're good. I've never even bothered fitting an AB, orbiting a can @ 1000m is more than sufficient for full room agro in ANY lvl4 mission.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.26 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 26/04/2011 20:32:37
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se Edited by: Vicker Lahn''se on 24/04/2011 11:23:09
Originally by: Herrring For PVE, the ishtar is almost always better than the gila.
the gila can use heavies, but lacks the cpu to use any sentry rigs.
The Gila has considerably more cpu than the Ishtar. The Gila has more rig slots. The Gila can support a very powerful passive shield tank. The Gila has a larger drone bay, regardless of skills. The Gila fits weapons that are actually useful.
Edit: Try this fit
http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/33238-The-New-Gila-MKII.html
510 dps 585 tank
**** fit.
Hint: nano for PVP. More dps for PVE ;) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Kesshisan
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.04.26 22:04:00 -
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Originally by: Shotoku Taishi Given that all the fits seemed practical up to this point
Non-cap stable fits at all Level V skill aren't practical. I think you are the only one who would have said that the fits up to this point were practical.
Originally by: bartos100 the faction mods are a bit over the top but those t2 rigs are a MUST on a gila
it helps a great deal with the tank without screwing up the cap like power relays
3x T2 rigs costs about 300mil isk total. An Gila hull is 120mil (I got my Gila BPs for 90mil.)
You want me to put 300mil worth of rigs on a 120mil ship? On top of that, I need many million isk worth of modules and then a huge fleet of T2 Drones.
You think that "the faction mods are a bit over the top," but want me to spend 300million isk on rigs.
With the current market prices you are asking me to spend more on fitting out a Gila than a Heavy Assault Ship. Why?
Originally by: Salient I've never even bothered fitting an AB, orbiting a can @ 1000m is more than sufficient for full room agro in ANY lvl4 mission.
Yeah, you are right. The tank on this thing is AMAZING! However I love cruisers because of their agility and mobility. An Afterburner accents that quite nicely, and one of the reasons I prefer Cruisers over larger ships is their mobility.
What I'm trying to say is "While I see your point, and it is an excellent one, I want an Afterburner on this ship for convenience. And I understand I will have to make some sacrifices in order to use an Afterburner." But I do appreciate the advice.
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Hint: nano for PVP. More dps for PVE ;)
I suck at fitting ships. How does one increase a drone boat's DPS other than by fitting sentry damage rigs?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.04.26 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kesshisan 3x T2 rigs costs about 300mil isk total. An Gila hull is 120mil (I got my Gila BPs for 90mil.)
You want me to put 300mil worth of rigs on a 120mil ship?
Yes. It's a PvE ship ù it's not like you're going to lose it to an L4. And unlike the same value in mods, it doesn't make the ship gank-worthy because it doesn't increase the value of the potential drops.
Quote: With the current market prices you are asking me to spend more on fitting out a Gila than a Heavy Assault Ship. Why?
Because that's usually the trade-off: faction = not as skill intensive to start out with, but more costly to make work; T2 = more skill intensive, but with better inherent capabilities.
As for the Gila vs. Ishtar, the Ishtar has two key advantages: space for two sentry rigs and better control range ù if you're going for sentries, those two hands the trophy to the Ishtar every time. If you're going for heavies, however, the Gila can generally come out on top since it lets you combine that close-range weapon with a number of other close-range/high-speed options. It's a matter of play style choice as much as a matter of skills. For both ships, you'll largely want the same skill set anyway (only with HAC instead of Caldari Cruiser), and you'll want to sink roughly the same amount of SP into secondary weapon skills (missiles or turrets). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Linda Shadowborn
Gallente Dark Steel Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.27 00:38:00 -
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[Gila, angels] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Explosion Dampening Amplifier II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner Federation Navy Omnidirectional Tracking Link
Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile Assault Missile Launcher II, Piranha Light Missile [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Medium Sentry Damage Augmentor I Medium Core Defence Field Purger II Medium Core Defence Field Purger II
Garde II x5 Bouncer II x5 Warrior II x5
Yes for angels only as i use my ishtar for anything else. But you dont need super expensive stuff tbh. The two purgers does make it possible to use the damage rig which adds a bit of bite. More then enough tank for any angel mission without going crazy (or too crazy yes its overtanked but my connection lately has been ****)
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