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BYRAN BRASSBALLS
The Generic Corp The Babylon Consortium
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Posted - 2012.09.02 17:18:00 -
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I salute the hardworking and the heroic efforts of the past and present CSM members who tried to improve my EVE game experience. I really thank you for your hard free work ! I started playing eve in December 2010 and enjoyed it. I even bought and paid for a second account (, sick SOB!) I have had disagreements with CCP. CCP had the GÇ£klugmansGÇ¥ fiasco, the 60-dollar pair of virtual pants fiasco, both were not CCPGÇÖs finest moments. But at the end of the day I want my personal relationship with CCP back. If CCP cannot make me happy some of the time by their actions via game play, I just simply cancel my EVE credit card payment and start mowing my lawn again on time! I view the CSM members as just another customer in a restraunt. The CSM to me seems to be a vegetarian diner who speaks to the CCP chef about the issues with the vegetarian food only distracting the CCP Chef from cooking my steak!! I am a meat eater; I do not need some vegetarians to intervene with the CCP cook on my behalf regardless of their passion or "expert" experience. I look at the largest events in eve today. The Milanti ruckus, drained energy and time from CCP and disenfrached many pilots and fostered much negative feelings throughout eve. Again, arising from the CSM elections! Who knows how many pilots said screw this during the Burn Jita revenge non-sense! To me everything the CCP/CSM puts their two cents into blows up or unbalances the game creating favoritism charges between High/Low/Zero/Worm styles of play. If Eve is too survive new players are needed! Now when anything comes down via the CSM pipeline I cannot help but wonder how does this help the current CSM pilot's alliance sponsor? If CCP wants or needs player input they should simply have ballot issues every 6 weeks with all the CASH paying players voting for or against the specific proposals. That saves CCP energy and all the CSM silly stuff stops in its tracks. Frankly CCP seems more worried about Dust 514 and the CSM then your average rank and file Eve pilots. I would rather CCP spend time expanding the universe, new missions ah heck maybe a sudden alien invasion (Locutis of Borg for a rough example!) Something new and out of the box would be great! Now let the flames upon me commence. I am wearing my asbestos underwear.
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:14:00 -
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Let me introduce you to the magical concept of the enter key. |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:19:00 -
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BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote:The Milanti ruckus . . . You're confusing The Mittani with his layabout brother, The Milanti.
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BYRAN BRASSBALLS
The Generic Corp The Babylon Consortium
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Posted - 2012.09.02 18:22:00 -
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eh sidebar issues. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2012.09.02 19:23:00 -
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BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote: The CSM to me seems to be a vegetarian diner
I can handle a lot but this crosses the line. Don't you DARE accuse me of not appreciating a fine steak. I've even eaten whale! CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
707
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Posted - 2012.09.02 20:58:00 -
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Having been a head cook I can say vegetarians are almost as easy to deal with as people who order well done food, with vegetarians you apologize profusely quickly redo their rabbit food and find new and inventive ways to charge them extra.
While the well done crowd serve to get rid of that really crap steak you know you could not sell to anyone who actually had a taste bud left, hence the nickname "Hockey Pucks" Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
367
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Posted - 2012.09.04 06:25:00 -
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I must say, I agree with my enter key deficient co-player.
This CSM seems to have forgotten the fact that we actually need them to get gameplay changes done - and not just as CCP decides to do it, but to meet the needs and wants of the players.
WE WANT STEAK. (Medium Rare). CSM7 Skype Leak
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Cyprus Black
Perkone Caldari State
346
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Posted - 2012.09.06 09:56:00 -
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Seleene wrote:BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote: The CSM to me seems to be a vegetarian diner I can handle a lot but this crosses the line. Don't you DARE accuse me of not appreciating a fine steak. I've even eaten whale! Bravo. Your goal in life should be to eat two of every animal. God wanted to save two of each animal to survive the flood. It's our decision to take them out, one fork full at a time. Human baby should be near the last on that list to delay legal issues. Or it should be first if you procrastinate on going to Africa. Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
685
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:49:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:BYRAN BRASSBALLS wrote:The Milanti ruckus . . . You're confusing The Mittani with his layabout brother, The Milanti.
Or maybe his Scottish cousin "The Martini" God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:10:00 -
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That's not how you write a "CSM Must Go!" Post!!!
THIS is how you write a CSM Must GO! Post:
My capsuleer comrades, I am speaking to you from a secret location to avoid the CSM deathsquads. For too long now have the CSM bourgeoisie have grown fat and arrogant, feasting on their Icelandic meals flown in by their CCP puppet masters while we, the hard working capsuleer, pay subs towards their lavish life styles!
The only way for us to prosper as a player base is to seize the means of production, and return the wealth that we create to the hands of the people who created it! Once the revolution is complete there will be no more grovelling and prostrating yourself before the CSM simply because they have more virtual friends than you. All players shall be considered equal and we will make sure that everyone has the game that they want!
So I say to you this comrades: Rise up and throw off the shackles of oppression! It's time to storm the Winter Palace! |
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
627
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:19:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:This CSM seems to have forgotten the fact that we actually need them to get gameplay changes done - and not just as CCP decides to do it, but to meet the needs and wants of the players. Are you aware the CSM has no authority to make or compel CCP to make any changes to the game? "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
369
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:39:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Revolution Rising wrote:This CSM seems to have forgotten the fact that we actually need them to get gameplay changes done - and not just as CCP decides to do it, but to meet the needs and wants of the players. Are you aware the CSM has no authority to make or compel CCP to make any changes to the game?
Perhaps they will keep that in mind next voting week, or perhaps the one after that?
You only have to go down and read Seleene's blog for voting week, "I will be wanting a full industrial expansion".
And this winter we look forward to the new and improved expansion "WAR!".
I guess Seleene showed them!
I find it pretty funny that over half the CSM are the so called "Industry Friendly" and got CCP to instigate their 10th year of "WAR!"
Aren't you now irrelevant ?
You can't be both relevant and powerless, in the same way you can't say you're "For industry" this year and get a "war" expansion and call that a success.
I'm really looking forward to your rationale, I might pin it up on my wall, might even frame it.
Please reply, as soon as possible.
With Love, Rev. CSM7 Skype Leak
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
627
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Posted - 2012.09.08 05:50:00 -
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The power of the CSM comes not from a power to control or compel, but in our ability to influence, inform, highlight, and persuade.
Seleene has been a voice for positive changes to the industrial side of EVE, as have others. You can look to the minutes for that (not that you'd care to) and it's been followed on by convos in Skype and posts on the forums from him and guys like Kelduum.
The CSM in general is a very positive force in EVE's development. Sometimes that's hard and in your face like CSM5's open letter and CSM6's steering of the Summer of Rage. In our case, it's protecting the ground gained by previous CSMs and maximizing the hard won trust and value the CSM has gotten over the past year to keep CCP on track and make the most out of the devs refocusing on flying in space and addressing EVE's technical debt.
But by all means, keep posting like an attention starved loon. Gives us something to laugh about around the water cooler in between near-constantly advocating on behalf of you and every other player in EVE to give you the best possible experience not just this expansion, but several expansions to come. "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2012.09.08 10:20:00 -
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It becomes more apparent over time that the primary attribute of the successful CSM rep is be able to ignore or endure monstrous ingratitude. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |
Signal11th
Against ALL Anomalies
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Posted - 2012.09.08 10:32:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It becomes more apparent over time that the primary attribute of the successful CSM rep is be able to ignore or endure monstrous ingratitude.
Gratitude or ingratitude are for people who actually care. If people see no relevance or need for the CSM then neither of these feelings are relevant. God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!"-á I came second and won a toaster. |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.09.08 11:12:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It becomes more apparent over time that the primary attribute of the successful CSM rep is be able to ignore or endure monstrous ingratitude.
Person A devotes hours of their own time completely voluntarily to help the playerbase of an online spaceship game.
Person A believe they have put a lot of effort into talking to a game company yo try and steer them down what he thinks is best for all players.
Person B tells him how he doesn't doing anything and how those hours were nothing and were no benefit to anyway.
Person A gets annoyed.
Shock.
Seriously, those guys give up their spare time to do something they believe in and you're shocked if his response is basically "We do loads, you don't really get what we're doing as you're clearly a bad poster and not willing to discuss anything, I laugh at people like you"?
Frankly if that was the kind of abuse I got off a particular section of a playerbase I'd lobby to nerf the hell out of whatever they enjoy doing. |
Seleene
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
1884
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Posted - 2012.09.08 13:59:00 -
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Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:That's not how you write a "CSM Must Go!" Post!!!
THIS is how you write a CSM Must GO! Post:
My capsuleer comrades, I am speaking to you from a secret location to avoid the CSM deathsquads. For too long now have the CSM bourgeoisie have grown fat and arrogant, feasting on their Icelandic meals flown in by their CCP puppet masters while we, the hard working capsuleer, pay subs towards their lavish life styles!
The only way for us to prosper as a player base is to seize the means of production, and return the wealth that we create to the hands of the people who created it! Once the revolution is complete there will be no more grovelling and prostrating yourself before the CSM simply because they have more virtual friends than you. All players shall be considered equal and we will make sure that everyone has the game that they want!
So I say to you this comrades: Rise up and throw off the shackles of oppression! It's time to storm the Winter Palace!
This person is a good poster and should post more. CSM 7 Chairman My Blog - Where I say stuff Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:41:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:That's not how you write a "CSM Must Go!" Post!!!
THIS is how you write a CSM Must GO! Post:
My capsuleer comrades, I am speaking to you from a secret location to avoid the CSM deathsquads. For too long now have the CSM bourgeoisie have grown fat and arrogant, feasting on their Icelandic meals flown in by their CCP puppet masters while we, the hard working capsuleer, pay subs towards their lavish life styles!
The only way for us to prosper as a player base is to seize the means of production, and return the wealth that we create to the hands of the people who created it! Once the revolution is complete there will be no more grovelling and prostrating yourself before the CSM simply because they have more virtual friends than you. All players shall be considered equal and we will make sure that everyone has the game that they want!
So I say to you this comrades: Rise up and throw off the shackles of oppression! It's time to storm the Winter Palace! This person is a good poster and should post more.
Be careful what you wish for! |
Poetic Stanziel
Fweddit I Whip My Slaves Back and Forth
1085
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:55:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Gives us something to laugh about around the water cooler in between near-constantly advocating on behalf of you and every other player in EVE to give you the best possible experience not just this expansion, but several expansions to come. As an elected representative for the playerbase, I find these comments embarrassing and childish.
If you weren't a player representative, the comment would be amusing. But considering your position in the community, I'd expect a tad more maturity from you.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
77
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:09:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Gives us something to laugh about around the water cooler in between near-constantly advocating on behalf of you and every other player in EVE to give you the best possible experience not just this expansion, but several expansions to come. As an elected representative for the playerbase, I find these comments embarrassing and childish. If you weren't a player representative, the comment would be amusing. But considering your position in the community, I'd expect a tad more maturity from you.
You expect someone to be nice because after they gave up a load of their hard time someone said they were pointless and useless?
Please, the CSM reps are human (I think) and if I ever ended up on the CSM and some moron was badposting at me telling me how I dont do anything I'd probably mock him too. |
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
630
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Posted - 2012.09.09 01:12:00 -
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Poetic Stanziel wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Gives us something to laugh about around the water cooler in between near-constantly advocating on behalf of you and every other player in EVE to give you the best possible experience not just this expansion, but several expansions to come. As an elected representative for the playerbase, I find these comments embarrassing and childish. If you weren't a player representative, the comment would be amusing. But considering your position in the community, I'd expect a tad more maturity from you. Telling the truth is childish?
I think you're shooting for "restraint" instead of maturity. But I've been quite consistent in how I've dealt with trolls, esp alt trolls, before, during, and inbetween my terms. You can disagree over my approach but dont try to make me feel bad for not being nice to a troll alt lol "Alekseyev Karrde: mercenary of my heart."-á -Arydanika, Voices from the Void
CSM7 rep, CSM 4 vet Noir./Noir. Academy Recruiting: www.noirmercs.com |
Polly Oxford
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
61
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Posted - 2012.09.09 11:40:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote: Aren't you (the CSM) now kinda of irrelevant ?
Then don't vote. Pretty easy fix and since they are irrelevant they are not influencing your gameplay anyway. |
Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
369
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:22:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:But by all means, keep posting like an attention starved loon. Gives us something to laugh about around the water cooler in between near-constantly advocating on behalf of you and every other player in EVE to give you the best possible experience not just this expansion, but several expansions to come.
You don't get to attach yourself to 3 or 4 years of expansions based on one CSM...
No matter what tripe and venom you want to spew because I have completely changed my attitude to these complete and utter failures, you cannot refute the fact that more than half this CSM ran for their current position based on an industry reform that isn't happening.
If you can by some means refute this, please do so. However, I use the minutes as my guide that MOST of the points made by the userbase in the manufacturing papercuts thread that these totally useless CSM's said they would help rectify were NOT EVEN MENTIONED.
But please, continue your stupid baseless politicking. I'm sure the brown-tongueing onlookers would prefer to ask useless question #1248712984787 on the upcoming expansion or POS's.
At least you learned marketting from your time at CCP - the one lesson they could teach. CSM7 Skype Leak
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Revolution Rising
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
369
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:47:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Telling the truth is childish?
I think you're shooting for "restraint" instead of maturity. But I've been quite consistent in how I've dealt with trolls, esp alt trolls, before, during, and inbetween my terms. You can disagree over my approach but dont try to make me feel bad for not being nice to a troll alt lol
I am neither an alt or a troll. I am pointing out that most of the CSMs that ran on an industry expansion agenda are now standing by saying what a great achievement the next expansion entittled "War" is and that apart from the barge change - which noone with a clue asked for, and possibly some long overdue changes to the industry queuing system - we're not going to see any comprehensive changes to industry for at least another year.
How is this not the very basic truth ?
All you can do is try and troll me instead of giving a reasonable response - because you don't have one.
And the fact that you go on the offensive for these people - of whom you weren't one as far as I can recall - only shows that a CSM with no difference in view between its' delegates is a CCP tool - not standing for the userbase AT ALL. CSM7 Skype Leak
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Lady Hanguko
Suicide Lemmings
2
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Posted - 2012.09.10 08:12:00 -
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Seleene wrote:Inquisitor Kitchner wrote:That's not how you write a "CSM Must Go!" Post!!!
THIS is how you write a CSM Must GO! Post:
My capsuleer comrades, I am speaking to you from a secret location to avoid the CSM deathsquads. For too long now have the CSM bourgeoisie have grown fat and arrogant, feasting on their Icelandic meals flown in by their CCP puppet masters while we, the hard working capsuleer, pay subs towards their lavish life styles!
The only way for us to prosper as a player base is to seize the means of production, and return the wealth that we create to the hands of the people who created it! Once the revolution is complete there will be no more grovelling and prostrating yourself before the CSM simply because they have more virtual friends than you. All players shall be considered equal and we will make sure that everyone has the game that they want!
So I say to you this comrades: Rise up and throw off the shackles of oppression! It's time to storm the Winter Palace! This person is a good poster and should post more.
HAHA awesome Seleene, ill add to ur bounty ^^ |
BYRAN BRASSBALLS
The Generic Corp
6
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Posted - 2012.09.23 14:54:00 -
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Are you aware the CSM has no authority to make or compel CCP to make any changes to the game?[/quote]
Sir I respect you as a person and a legendary pilot, but you prove my point perfectly. For all the muss and fuss the CSM causes the mass player/pilot base it is nothing but a sideshow bob production. CCP points at the CSM and says well thats what they wanted. CSM points at CCP hey we did not make the call! Right or wrong weak or strong the effects are wrecking EVE gameplay. Oh by the way I am sorry I insulted the steak eaters. Fly safe all. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2170
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Posted - 2012.09.24 00:07:00 -
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I did go, I went the Reno Air Races and it was great, not sure where I'll go next, maybe skiing when the snow arrives.
I know other CSM have been going places too! I am a strong supporter of going!
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Esker Sheep
Havoc Violence and Chaos BricK sQuAD.
11
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Posted - 2012.10.01 12:32:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Telling the truth is childish?
I think you're shooting for "restraint" instead of maturity. But I've been quite consistent in how I've dealt with trolls, esp alt trolls, before, during, and inbetween my terms. You can disagree over my approach but dont try to make me feel bad for not being nice to a troll alt lol I am neither an alt or a troll. I am pointing out that most of the CSMs that ran on an industry expansion agenda are now standing by saying what a great achievement the next expansion entittled "War" is and that apart from the barge change - which noone with a clue asked for, and possibly some long overdue changes to the industry queuing system - we're not going to see any comprehensive changes to industry for at least another year. How is this not the very basic truth ? All you can do is try and troll me instead of giving a reasonable response - because you don't have one. And the fact that you go on the offensive for these people - of whom you weren't one as far as I can recall - only shows that a CSM with no difference in view between its' delegates is a CCP tool - not standing for the userbase AT ALL.
I find it amusing that you think its so easy to introduce widespread industry changes. I'd view the ongoing work on the POS system, see the CSM minutes, as evidence that there is a lot of work going on in this area but that its a big change not a trivial fix. In terms of effort the ship re-balancing that's going on is fairly simple. All it needs is tweaking database values and trying to maintain balance.
I guess that the CSM has to make CCP do whatever they say and if CCP won't then they need to take them around the back of the bike sheds and duff them in. Would that satisfy you?
Something that is rarely considered is that the CSM operates under NDA. This being the case its almost impossible to judge the effectiveness any CSM until after those NDA items have been released. This isn't to give carte-blanc to the CSM it does need to be taken into account. We may only find out the effectiveness of a particular CSM a number of years after its term. |
Prince Kobol
621
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Posted - 2012.10.02 16:12:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:The power of the CSM comes not from a power to control or compel, but in our ability to influence, inform, highlight, and persuade.
Seleene has been a voice for positive changes to the industrial side of EVE, as have others. .
Whilst not to belittle Seleene but what positive changes to industrial side to Eve would this be?
Have I missed something as the changes to the mining barges have changed well.. nothing.
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