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durablesilver
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Posted - 2011.04.25 20:57:00 -
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I'm looking for a Chimera fitting,I'm primarily looking for a fitting that will allow the carrier to fend for itself if things go south with the fleet, and i'm forced to rely on myself for protection, that's the main goal, the secondary goal is for it to be able to help the fleet to prevent these incidents, but only so long as it can fend for itself when things go wrong.
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ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:55:00 -
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Sounds like you need a Triage fit. But, since I haven't gotten around to Triage fitting my Chimera, I'll direct you to Battleclinic to check out the loadouts there.
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.25 21:58:00 -
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I think this about fits your description:
[Chimera, Fends for Itself] Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II Capacitor Flux Coil II
Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Capital Shield Booster I Shield Boost Amplifier II
Micro Shield Transporter II True Sansha Large EMP Smartbomb Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.25 23:19:00 -
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Carriers don't "fend" for themselves, fit as much RR as you can and try your best to keep your gangmates alive
Never fit drone control units. Ever. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.26 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Never fit drone control units. Ever.
The OP said that fending for himself was top priority. Drone control units are better for fending for yourself.
I'm sorry, it's possible that my fitting has gone over your head. Perhaps you should take a closer look at it.
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Treymora
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Posted - 2011.04.26 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Never fit drone control units. Ever.
The OP said that fending for himself was top priority. Drone control units are better for fending for yourself.
I'm sorry, it's possible that my fitting has gone over your head. Perhaps you should take a closer look at it.
Umm no they are not, they are for ratting in anoms (if your brave)...I believe he said providing for fleetings then fending for himself when the crap hits the fan. 3 extra fighters are not going to do nothing to save ur butt in a fleet fight gone bad. Keeping your m8tys alive will. So I would suggest HIGHS = a capital shield transporter, capital energy transfer array, for helping your self Large T2 or faction smart bomb, Heavy T2 or faction Neut, Triage module. so you keep your mates alive as long as possible , Drones and fighters get on you activate your smart bomb,, FC calls for the bail target who is ever pointing you and hit them with the Neut , which will keep most folks from getting to close to try and keep you pointed and if everything is dieing around you but help is on the way switch to triage mode and rep the hell out of your self to stay alive long as possible, but beware if you enter triage its almost signing your death certificate.
So...exctaly where do you fit ur carrier like that? low sec...for docking games ? WOW a micro shield transporter REALLY?
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.26 11:56:00 -
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Edited by: Vicker Lahn''se on 26/04/2011 11:59:22
Originally by: Treymora So...exctaly where do you fit ur carrier like that? low sec...for docking games ? WOW a micro shield transporter REALLY?
I like how you notice the micro shield transporter and still don't see the joke. I'm not sure if you just woke up or if you're staying up late, but either way I think you need more sleep.
The guy said his primary concern was fending for himself. He clearly stated that his main goal was to survive after his friends die. He doesn't have his priorities straight, but I figured I would provide him with a fitting catered to his priorities anyway.
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Mike712
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Posted - 2011.04.26 19:57:00 -
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Edited by: Mike712 on 26/04/2011 20:06:45
Ignore local tank just fit resists, your survivability comes from friends transferring shield to you, a capital shield booster won't save you from even a medium sized battlecruiser gang. Without a cap shield booster you will have enough CPU to fit more shield/cap transfers and can fit cap power relays, as you have no local tank to be negatively effected by the boost penalty. 4 cap power relays effects stack to give you a massive amount of cap recharge.
This is what I'd suggest:
[Chimera, Fleet Chimera] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
ECCM - Gravimetric II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Energy Transfer Array I Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Just 3 of these can tank almost 8000 DPS cap stable.
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RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.04.26 20:25:00 -
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A lone carrier without a point, isnt going to win ANYTHING, EVER. If you can't keep your fleet alive and they can't keep you alive, then its pretty much over. Fit for reps and suport, or dock the thing.
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durablesilver
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Posted - 2011.04.26 20:40:00 -
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Originally by: Mike712 Edited by: Mike712 on 26/04/2011 20:06:45
Ignore local tank just fit resists, your survivability comes from friends transferring shield to you, a capital shield booster won't save you from even a medium sized battlecruiser gang. Without a cap shield booster you will have enough CPU to fit more shield/cap transfers and can fit cap power relays, as you have no local tank to be negatively effected by the boost penalty. 4 cap power relays effects stack to give you a massive amount of cap recharge.
This is what I'd suggest:
[Chimera, Fleet Chimera] Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II
ECCM - Gravimetric II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Cap Recharger II Cap Recharger II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Energy Transfer Array I Heavy Energy Neutralizer II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Just 3 of these can tank almost 8000 DPS cap stable.
I feel like an idiot now, why didn't I think of friends, guess it's because I'm used to getting stuff done by myself, anyway, thank you for the revealing the stupidly obvious to me. So by your friends transferring shield to you I hope you didn't mean other carriers in a kind of spider tank situation, because it'd be to hard for my friends and me to field multiple carriers at once, as i'm pretty sure there aren't that many people who can fly a carrier among our group. So on that note can you guys tell me a good fleet support chimera fitting, although I would like to have a few drone controls just to be able to field a little firepower to get rid of stubborn targets.
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durablesilver
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Posted - 2011.04.26 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Sounds like you need a Triage fit. But, since I haven't gotten around to Triage fitting my Chimera, I'll direct you to Battleclinic to check out the loadouts there.
I've tried battleclinic, nobody seems to agree on a good fitting, and to me they all look like they would be rather bad.
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Mike712
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Posted - 2011.04.26 21:17:00 -
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Edited by: Mike712 on 26/04/2011 21:25:24
Originally by: durablesilver
I feel like an idiot now, why didn't I think of friends, guess it's because I'm used to getting stuff done by myself, anyway, thank you for the revealing the stupidly obvious to me. So by your friends transferring shield to you I hope you didn't mean other carriers in a kind of spider tank situation, because it'd be to hard for my friends and me to field multiple carriers at once, as i'm pretty sure there aren't that many people who can fly a carrier among our group. So on that note can you guys tell me a good fleet support chimera fitting, although I would like to have a few drone controls just to be able to field a little firepower to get rid of stubborn targets.
If you're the only carrier pilot, don't field a carrier, carriers die without other carriers to support them, as I said a lone carrier is completely vulnerable to even small gangs.
You're only real option for a solo carrier to support sub caps is a triage fit, but due to the ridiculous fitting cost of shield transfer mods shield triage carriers aren't great. Also if you fly a triage carrier of any sort, you need to be prepared to lose allot of carriers.
If you don't have capital support to fly your carrier with, either, find a new corp(one that uses shield caps since your are shield tanking), fit for triage but be prepared to lose your carrier, use it for ratting(assign your fighters to a ratting ship), or keep it just for logistics (moving your ships and your friends ships about).
If you absolutely must use your carrier without cap support something like this is a traditional loadout with a local tank:
[Chimera, Gang Support Chim] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II Power Diagnostic System II
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Prototype ECCM I Gravimetric Sensor Cluster Cap Recharger II Capital Shield Booster I Shield Boost Amplifier II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II
Capital Shield Transporter I Capital Shield Transporter I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Plasma Smartbomb II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
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Purple Warlock
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Posted - 2011.04.27 00:47:00 -
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I think people forget that carriers die just as fast as other ships. Actually all capitals do, and carriers are not meant to be killers but logistical platforms(look up triage module). Sure they can pack a punch but they are built to be fielded in a group and work together to keep your fleet fighting. think of it as a fancy logistics ship.
If you look at RnK(rooks and kings) they use triage archons to help them in engagement. there is a great video of them doing it. (youtube "eve online ironclad") in any case whether its archon's or chimera's they fight together not solo.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.27 01:47:00 -
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Triage carriers work great during capital engagements, but they fold quickly when supercapitals are brought to bear. If you've got the pilots to field it, Pantheon is a lot more reliable.
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Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2011.04.27 13:04:00 -
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Edited by: Concubinia Scarlett on 27/04/2011 13:05:38 If you really want to pvp as a lone carrier in a gang, do what others do: Fit a full rack of drone control units, a point and a decent shield tank, then stay within docking range of a station and gank stuff that someone else has aggressed. Don't do it too often though, you used to be pretty much invulnerable doing this in lowsec but nowadays you may find a couple of SC pilots take notice and decide to rip your carrier a new one. Failing that stay at a POS shield edge/station undock and assign fighters and rep any gang members who warp to you. TBH you'll probably be a liability if you engage at a gate or belt as any organised gang will try to get a cyno there asap and escalate the fight with a few cap ships of their own at the prospect of an easy lone carrier kill. Not what you want to hear I know, but sadly true Get another blue carrier or two and it's a whole different ball game..
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.04.27 15:29:00 -
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Also guess what happens to a carrier that has fighters agressed and someone webs them to death; yep no docking for you unless you abandon your fighters first. That's a hard way to learn that carriers are not solo pwn mobiles and that station games aren't.
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S7E
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Posted - 2011.04.27 15:34:00 -
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If you need to ask for fits in the forum, you sure you are ready for a carrier?
[CHIMERA, FLEET] Damage Controll II Power Diagnostic II Power Diagnostic II Power Diagnostic II
Invulnerability Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Heat Dissipation Field II Photon Scattering Field II Explosion Dampening Field II Sensor Booster II
Capital Shield Transporter Capital Armor Remote Repairer Capital Energy Transfer Triage Module large Proton Smartbomb II
Large Core Defence Field Extender Large Core Defence Field Extender Large Core Defence Field Extender
In all fairness you are going to go down quicker in a shield cap than an armor. Unless your alliance use shield caps more than armor which is unlikely, may as well make it harder and more annoying for them to kill you.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.04.27 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
The guy said his primary concern was fending for himself. He clearly stated that his main goal was to survive after his friends die. He doesn't have his priorities straight, but I figured I would provide him with a fitting catered to his priorities anyway.
Saving his friends would lend to a higher chance of him surviving. No amount of unbonused drones or lolFighter DPS would save him if his support fleet gets slaughtered. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Mike712
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
The guy said his primary concern was fending for himself. He clearly stated that his main goal was to survive after his friends die. He doesn't have his priorities straight, but I figured I would provide him with a fitting catered to his priorities anyway.
Saving his friends would lend to a higher chance of him surviving. No amount of unbonused drones or lolFighter DPS would save him if his support fleet gets slaughtered.
This is why adding drone control units is a bad idea.
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mike712
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
The guy said his primary concern was fending for himself. He clearly stated that his main goal was to survive after his friends die. He doesn't have his priorities straight, but I figured I would provide him with a fitting catered to his priorities anyway.
Saving his friends would lend to a higher chance of him surviving. No amount of unbonused drones or lolFighter DPS would save him if his support fleet gets slaughtered.
This is why adding drone control units is a bad idea.
That's why my fit was a joke. I suggest fitting a micro shield transporter to a carrier and people take me seriously? The OP basically said, "Screw my team, I want to look cool and survive after they all die." If that's what he wants to do, he should save up all his cap and use it for himself and fit as little RR as possible, hence the drone controls.
For the extra dense ones among you: It's a joke. Do not put drone controls or micro shield transporters on a gang pvp carrier.
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Mike712
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Posted - 2011.04.27 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Originally by: Mike712
Originally by: Patient 2428190
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
The guy said his primary concern was fending for himself. He clearly stated that his main goal was to survive after his friends die. He doesn't have his priorities straight, but I figured I would provide him with a fitting catered to his priorities anyway.
Saving his friends would lend to a higher chance of him surviving. No amount of unbonused drones or lolFighter DPS would save him if his support fleet gets slaughtered.
This is why adding drone control units is a bad idea.
That's why my fit was a joke. I suggest fitting a micro shield transporter to a carrier and people take me seriously? The OP basically said, "Screw my team, I want to look cool and survive after they all die." If that's what he wants to do, he should save up all his cap and use it for himself and fit as little RR as possible, hence the drone controls.
For the extra dense ones among you: It's a joke. Do not put drone controls or micro shield transporters on a gang pvp carrier.
DW, I got the joke, I wasn't talking to you when I said that.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.27 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se I think this about fits your description:
Well i for one was lolling
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Merouk Baas
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.27 23:48:00 -
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People giving the OP advice that he's going to lose his carrier - already done here, and he's duly noted it all.
Just answer his question about fittings.
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FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
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Posted - 2011.04.28 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
For the extra dense ones among you: It's a joke. Do not put drone controls or micro shield transporters on a gang pvp carrier.
Make it more obvious, some folks are pretty dense, maybe like this
[Chimera, obvious] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Shield Recharger II Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field
Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I Drone Control Unit I
Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II Large Core Defence Field Purger II
Templar x15
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Izuru Hishido
Amarr Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.04.28 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Never fit drone control units. Ever.
The OP said that fending for himself was top priority. Drone control units are better for fending for yourself.
I'm sorry, it's possible that my fitting has gone over your head. Perhaps you should take a closer look at it.
No, it didn't. He just wasted three incredibly useful highslots that he could have made up for by simply having Carrier at a level higher than two. Drone control units completely defeat the purpose of a carrier, since their purpose is a capital sized logistics platform. Fit a Neut, Two smartbombs and Two logi mods.
Nowadays, if things 'go south' with the fleet, you're pretty much bummed. Not much you can do unless you have an escape cyno ready at a second's notice. -----------------
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Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar STRAG3S STRAG3S.INC
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Posted - 2011.04.29 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Izuru Hishido
Originally by: Vicker Lahn'se
Originally by: Patient 2428190 Never fit drone control units. Ever.
The OP said that fending for himself was top priority. Drone control units are better for fending for yourself.
I'm sorry, it's possible that my fitting has gone over your head. Perhaps you should take a closer look at it.
No, it didn't. He just wasted three incredibly useful highslots that he could have made up for by simply having Carrier at a level higher than two. Drone control units completely defeat the purpose of a carrier, since their purpose is a capital sized logistics platform. Fit a Neut, Two smartbombs and Two logi mods.
Nowadays, if things 'go south' with the fleet, you're pretty much bummed. Not much you can do unless you have an escape cyno ready at a second's notice.
But that neut and logi mods use up valuable cap that he could be using for fending for himself with his shield booster! |
durablesilver
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Posted - 2011.04.29 19:38:00 -
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In all fairness you are going to go down quicker in a shield cap than an armor. Unless your alliance use shield caps more than armor which is unlikely, may as well make it harder and more annoying for them to kill you.
Are you so sure that an armor tank is better than a shield tank? I don't think so, I've found shield tank equal to or better than armor tank, the only reason why you're thinking that armor tank is better is because of it's popularity, have you even tried shield tanking? I do not believe you and will not believe you until you support your statement, also just because i'm asking for fittings on the forums does not mean that i'm not ready it just means that am asking for help and admitting that i'm not omniscient, plus when was the last time you've seen a decent chimera fitting? I've even checked battleclinic.
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Baneken
Gallente The New Knighthood Apocalypse Now.
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Posted - 2011.04.29 20:32:00 -
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Armour is favoured simply because you cannot buffer tank as effectively with shield tank and having active local tank just means you're screwed faster once you get neuts on your ass. Since shield tanks have even less staying power then active armour tanks you're double screwed once you get neuted to death.
And should you have anything smaller then a capital or a BS you die instantly once a fleet of 50 bs alphas you so that local tank helped you about nada; not that a "regular PvP" -fit BS would have enough buffer for 50 maels either. Hence you fit for buffer only reason to have a local tank is when you have to go triage and cannot receive remote effects nor move.
But ultimately a lone capital is a doomed capital, buffer or no buffer or local tank.
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