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luZk
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:33:00 -
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The unique item "scam."
CCP wake up please!
You can't have a contract system that allows you to ask for something that does not exist, stacked unique items in this case.
http://i.imgur.com/SXGjK.jpg
I've done my fair share of scamming but this is'nt even a scam, it's a broken game mechanics and should be considered as a exploit when used.
Did a test with an alt, and.....
"One or more required items are missing. At least the following item is missing: Secure Coded Package. These items must be in your personal hangar at Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant
NOTE: The items must be repackaged before finalizing this transaction."
Discuss
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:39:00 -
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GǪand the scam isGǪ?
Or rather, since you conclude that it isn't a scam, why do you call it a scam? GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:39:00 -
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How is this a scam? Do the items you do have get taken anyway? So if you attempted to fulfill that contract, it would take the Hardners, and fail on the other two items, so you wouldn't get the money? "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
luZk
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:40:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:How is this a scam? Do the items you do have get taken anyway? So if you attempted to fulfill that contract, it would take the Hardners, and fail on the other two items, so you wouldn't get the money?
No it is simply impossible to stack these items, yet it is very possible to ask for the items stacked.. get it? |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:42:00 -
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luZk wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:How is this a scam? Do the items you do have get taken anyway? So if you attempted to fulfill that contract, it would take the Hardners, and fail on the other two items, so you wouldn't get the money? No it is simply impossible to stack these items, yet it is very possible to ask for the items stacked.. get it?
Yes, but I'm not seeing how it is a scam? Just seems like a wasted contract. "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:43:00 -
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Do you lose money if you fail to deliver the items? If not, how is it a scam
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stoicfaux
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:43:00 -
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Sounds like a variation on the margin trading scam. Sell the hardeners nearby for an inflated value, but the rube can never complete the contract.
You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
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Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:44:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Sounds like a variation on the margin trading scam. Sell the hardeners nearby for an inflated value, but the rube can never complete the contract.
That makes sense. As you can tell, not a scammer here...lol "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
luZk
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:44:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Do you lose money if you fail to deliver the items? If not, how is it a scam
No i didnt lose any money, as I suspected a scam but contract is still up. The point is the items DOES NOT EXIST, not stacked so the contract will allways fail. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:45:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Sounds like a variation on the margin trading scam. Sell the hardeners nearby for an inflated value, but the rube can never complete the contract.
Bingo |
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luZk
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:48:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Sounds like a variation on the margin trading scam. Sell the hardeners nearby for an inflated value, but the rube can never complete the contract.
Exactly, the difference is the items you try to buy does not exist stacked, so i wont come though in a million years. So you're beeing scammed by CCP not another player.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:50:00 -
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luZk wrote:No i didnt lose any money, as I suspected a scam but contract is still up. The point is the items DOES NOT EXIST, not stacked so the contract will allways fail. GǪand the counter-point is: why do you call it a scam if you say it's not a scam? Make up your mind.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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luZk
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Posted - 2012.09.02 22:52:00 -
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Tippia wrote:luZk wrote:No i didnt lose any money, as I suspected a scam but contract is still up. The point is the items DOES NOT EXIST, not stacked so the contract will allways fail. GǪand the counter-point is: why do you call it a scam if you say it's not a scam? Make up your mind. Quote:So you're beeing scammed by CCP not another player. No.
Because as I also said, I consider it an exploit and NOT a scam.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.02 23:00:00 -
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luZk wrote:Because as I also said, I consider it an exploit and NOT a scam. GǪso why do you call it a scam?
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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luZk
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Posted - 2012.09.02 23:02:00 -
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Tippia wrote:luZk wrote:Because as I also said, I consider it an exploit and NOT a scam. GǪso why do you call it a scam?
So you would understand me.. now go awway troll...
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.09.02 23:07:00 -
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I haven't looked at this in any detail, but in general, if you can use a broken game mechanic to create an unfulfillable contract, you can find a way to scam with it.
For example, as with a courier contract that will always fail and you will always get the collateral for.
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Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2012.09.03 01:01:00 -
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luZk wrote:Tippia wrote:luZk wrote:No i didnt lose any money, as I suspected a scam but contract is still up. The point is the items DOES NOT EXIST, not stacked so the contract will allways fail. GǪand the counter-point is: why do you call it a scam if you say it's not a scam? Make up your mind. Quote:So you're beeing scammed by CCP not another player. No. Because as I also said, I consider it an exploit and NOT a scam.
Then I trust you filed a petition about it rather than posting on the eve online forums. Because using exploits is Bad and if it was an exploit you'd want to keep it a secret so CCP can fix it without everyone using it right?
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
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Posted - 2012.09.03 01:11:00 -
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For your benefit Tippia (technicalities aside):
Say a person was selling those hardeners over priced (but still reasonable) and also made this contract.
A person could buy his hardeners and then with the other items (which cannot be stacked in the inventory) try to sell them and make money. But they only lose money tot his guy since the contract is unfillable.
In this limited case, it is a scam.
Otherwise, its just an annoyance.
I think CCP should fix this, but only because it makes it a pain to contract more than one of certain unique items. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.09.03 01:27:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:For your benefit Tippia (technicalities aside) No need. I know how the margin trading scam works. It's still a matter of people not paying attention to the market and being blinded by their own greed so they over-pay for items.
I'm merely baffled by him claiming that it isn't a scam and then calling it a scam. I get the distinct feeling that he desperately want to complain but doesn't quite know about what so he tries to plaster every GÇ£badGÇ¥ label in the book on itGǪ (never mind that calling it a scam means it's legit around here). GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: newbie skill plan.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2016
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Posted - 2012.09.03 01:31:00 -
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I approve of this not-scam Gÿ+/ /Gûî /n++ \ -áThis is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2012.09.03 02:41:00 -
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Tippia wrote:
I'm merely baffled by him claiming that it isn't a scam and then calling it a scam.
Okay. I know it's Sunday and your brother lets you play with his character but you shouldn't post with it as well. You couldn't possibly be baffled by something like this if you are the original owner of Tippia.
So stop using Tippia to troll with. You are just making your brother look petty and stupid.
Mr Epeen
There is no excuse beyond fatalistic self-indulgence and sheer laziness for doing nothing --á Iain Banks |
Dog Biscuit
Chitlins
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:09:00 -
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ISD |
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ISD TYPE40
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:28:00 -
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Off topic post removed. Please post sensibly, thank you - ISD Type40. ISD Type40 Lieutenant Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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