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Pasta OfDoom
SrsBsnsIndeed
14
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:14:00 -
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Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up* |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
135
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:16:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up*
Lower minerals make ganking cheaper too, which could make 1 out of 10 turn to 3 out of 10, then we start rising back up...
Congrats on figuring this out... "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Ivy Romanova
All Your Machariel Belong to Ham Industrial Technonauts
121
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:17:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up*
Thats cos they are all bunch of Republican voting asshats that doesn't care about the 99% lol
Life is complicated. When the war came I did bad things; after the war I thought nothing of doing bad things. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Maybe here things will be different.. |
Pasta OfDoom
SrsBsnsIndeed
14
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:18:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up* Lower minerals make ganking cheaper too, which could make 1 out of 10 turn to 3 out of 10, then we start rising back up... Congrats on figuring this out...
Well in that case nothing changes anyway, so why should we be butthurt.
Point is, the market will only suffer for people who are selling said minerals. *Edit* Also I'm not saying I figured it out, I'm just pointing out the obvious for the people who are *****ing too loudly to realize it for themselves.
*Second edit because I accidentally got past filter* |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2576
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:19:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that.
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betoli
Ketogenic Killzone
39
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:20:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up* Lower minerals make ganking cheaper too, which could make 1 out of 10 turn to 3 out of 10, then we start rising back up... Congrats on figuring this out...
If this happens, we would need to buff barges.... er hold on..... |
Pasta OfDoom
SrsBsnsIndeed
14
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:20:00 -
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Also I just want to clarify that I'm NOT a miner. I do trading to fund a null alt. :P |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
135
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:20:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up* Lower minerals make ganking cheaper too, which could make 1 out of 10 turn to 3 out of 10, then we start rising back up... Congrats on figuring this out... Well in that case nothing changes anyway, so why should we be butthurt. Point is, the market will only suffer for people who are selling said minerals. *Edit* Also I'm not saying I figured it out, I'm just pointing out the obvious for the people who are *****ing too loudly to realize it for themselves. *Second edit because I accidentally got past filter*
I got you, really was just giving a hard time...lol...
You do have a valid point...
I still think people are concerned with AFK ISK making, especially since many Highsec players are lowsec/nullsec alts, so the money does end up getting used somewhere...but that is just my guess... "The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
Pasta OfDoom
SrsBsnsIndeed
14
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:24:00 -
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I make isk while AFK. I spend 5-10 minutes deciding what I should do with buy/sell orders at the time and occasionally get in .1 wars, but 99% of the things I sell I'm not even paying attention to, and I don't even have to jetcan every 30 minutes or whatever. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
135
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Posted - 2012.09.03 03:28:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:I make isk while AFK. I spend 5-10 minutes deciding what I should do with buy/sell orders at the time and occasionally get in .1 wars, but 99% of the things I sell I'm not even paying attention to, and I don't even have to jetcan every 30 minutes or whatever.
Good point; I don't think it is the same though...don't have a reason why right now, but it just doesn't feel the same...
Placing a buy/sell order and letting other players have access to it. The act of placing the order can't be done AFK though.
vs
Sitting in space and letting a long cycle interact with an asteroid (are Ice fields still asteroids?); here the act of mining can be done AFK.
Hmmm...not sure if that even sounds right...
Don't know if I have an answer to that...good point...
"The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds, given adequate vacuuming systems." |
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Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc
1
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Posted - 2012.09.03 04:18:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:I make isk while AFK. I spend 5-10 minutes deciding what I should do with buy/sell orders at the time and occasionally get in .1 wars, but 99% of the things I sell I'm not even paying attention to, and I don't even have to jetcan every 30 minutes or whatever. Good point; I don't think it is the same though...don't have a reason why right now, but it just doesn't feel the same... Placing a buy/sell order and letting other players have access to it. The act of placing the order can't be done AFK though. vs Sitting in space and letting a long cycle interact with an asteroid (are Ice fields still asteroids?); here the act of mining can be done AFK. Hmmm...not sure if that even sounds right... Don't know if I have an answer to that...good point... Edit: figured it out...AFK Mining the cycle will repeat automatically, meaning they can sit at a large roid and just let it cycle until they fill up their hold. Here the act of mining is being done AFK.
Which makes pretty good sense now, why we have suicide catalysts going for them because they are AFK: A Free Kill :) We will probably see much more of this action seeing it's a good succes if you do it with friends. |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
53
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:08:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up* Thats cos they are all bunch of Republican voting asshats that doesn't care about the 99% lol
Hey asshat, how about you actually work for something instead of suckling off the teat of the government? It applies in the real world as it does in EvE. Don't be an occutard loser, work for your money, whether it's in a virtual world or the real world.
Goddamn entitled asshats **** me off no matter if they're in the real world or virtual world. |
Gorinia Sanford
Sons of Russ
53
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:18:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that.
And very nice to see your justification for imposing what you think folks should do in highsec based on your on views. Kind of what the ***** tried to do during the mid-20th century. |
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
212
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:01:00 -
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Why are reduced prices good? You speak as if you never put something for sale on the market... |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:11:00 -
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Let's all mine in highsec ~~ Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Devil Fruit
Hedion University Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:18:00 -
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Mining is good to economic All this has happened before, and it will all happen again. |
Borker Mango
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:25:00 -
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Gorinia Sanford wrote:Ivy Romanova wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up* Thats cos they are all bunch of Republican voting asshats that doesn't care about the 99% lol Hey asshat, how about you actually work for something instead of suckling off the teat of the government? It applies in the real world as it does in EvE. Don't be an occutard loser, work for your money, whether it's in a virtual world or the real world. Goddamn entitled asshats **** me off no matter if they're in the real world or virtual world. dafuq? where did this bitchy drunk rant come from? did you forget to take your midol ? |
Ghazu
134
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:50:00 -
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Ivy Romanova wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up* Thats cos they are all bunch of Republican voting asshats that doesn't care about the 99% lol
so dumb |
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ISD BiscuitThief
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
7
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:42:00 -
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I've removed several posts for being offtopic, ranting and nonconstructive.
Please take a look through the forum rules and try to remain civil (at least, out of game).
Thanks ISD BiscuitThief Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
174
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:51:00 -
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The mineral prices whatever they are have little to no impact on anything in the game. When prices go up, I make a ton of ISK, when the prices go down, I make a ton of ISK.
Its completely irrelevant if you know what your doing in this game, the key is to be flexible in your activities and not be "Im a this" kind of player. When the prices are up, its time for manufacturing, mining and trading, when the prices are down, its time for some PvP. Being a flexible player you are always in a position to make off with the big bucks. Its when people become fixated on doing things one way that things like market prices or how many miners get popped affects them. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
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Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
705
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:53:00 -
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Competition is good for the game, new mining barges gave real miners very decent tools to achieve their goal. I don't have to like mining, I don't even have to do it, but I like buying ships for my pvp and have a full hangar of them to go out blow stuff and get blown without having in mind I'll have to grind rabbits for hours before I can buy another one.
Low mineral prices are good for me and it's also a very good sign of healthy mining activity because :competition: You have the right to not like competition, like to play alone and be the GM/dev/mod/trader/leader chief yadayada but this is an MMO, you either like competition and adapt or you die.
It's Eve natural selection brb |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
174
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Posted - 2012.09.07 08:06:00 -
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Quote: go out blow stuff and get blown
You guys seriously need to stop doing that on the forums, its the second time this week. People at work thing Im the crazy guy that laughs at his screen at work all the bloody time... the word your looking for is UP.... blown ... UP. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
705
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Posted - 2012.09.07 08:14:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Quote: go out blow stuff and get blown You guys seriously need to stop doing that on the forums, its the second time this week. People at work thing Im the crazy guy that laughs at his screen at work all the bloody time... the word your looking for is UP.... blown ... UP.
I don't know what drug syou take or what you drink but seems it's quite strong if you start laughing alone for something you're the only one to understand.
Seems puberty doesn't help neither. brb |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
174
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Posted - 2012.09.07 08:28:00 -
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Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Quote: go out blow stuff and get blown You guys seriously need to stop doing that on the forums, its the second time this week. People at work thing Im the crazy guy that laughs at his screen at work all the bloody time... the word your looking for is UP.... blown ... UP. I don't know what drug syou take or what you drink but seems it's quite strong if you start laughing alone for something you're the only one to understand. Seems puberty doesn't help neither.
I would sell a testicle to be young and going through puberty again! The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Sab Sab Five
Purging Maelstrom Villore Accords
0
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Posted - 2012.09.07 09:13:00 -
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Kryss Darkdust wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Quote: go out blow stuff and get blown You guys seriously need to stop doing that on the forums, its the second time this week. People at work thing Im the crazy guy that laughs at his screen at work all the bloody time... the word your looking for is UP.... blown ... UP. I don't know what drug syou take or what you drink but seems it's quite strong if you start laughing alone for something you're the only one to understand. Seems puberty doesn't help neither. I would sell a testicle to be young and going through puberty again!
They say when you get a full on sex change, the hormones you take to induce changes within the body give you a second puberty. |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
174
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Posted - 2012.09.07 09:57:00 -
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Sab Sab Five wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Kryss Darkdust wrote:Quote: go out blow stuff and get blown You guys seriously need to stop doing that on the forums, its the second time this week. People at work thing Im the crazy guy that laughs at his screen at work all the bloody time... the word your looking for is UP.... blown ... UP. I don't know what drug syou take or what you drink but seems it's quite strong if you start laughing alone for something you're the only one to understand. Seems puberty doesn't help neither. I would sell a testicle to be young and going through puberty again! They say when you get a full on sex change, the hormones you take to induce changes within the body give you a second puberty.
And they say google is a good thing... put it down man, some stuff its best to simply not know.
The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Tyrton
Imbecile MIiss Managment and Disasters Intergalactic Interstellar Interns
11
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Posted - 2012.09.07 10:26:00 -
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Abel Merkabah wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:I make isk while AFK. I spend 5-10 minutes deciding what I should do with buy/sell orders at the time and occasionally get in .1 wars, but 99% of the things I sell I'm not even paying attention to, and I don't even have to jetcan every 30 minutes or whatever. Good point; I don't think it is the same though...don't have a reason why right now, but it just doesn't feel the same... Placing a buy/sell order and letting other players have access to it. The act of placing the order can't be done AFK though. vs Sitting in space and letting a long cycle interact with an asteroid (are Ice fields still asteroids?); here the act of mining can be done AFK. Hmmm...not sure if that even sounds right... Don't know if I have an answer to that...good point... Edit: figured it out...AFK Mining the cycle will repeat automatically, meaning they can sit at a large roid and just let it cycle until they fill up their hold. Here the act of mining is being done AFK.
If they sit with an indy with a single mining laser ... don't worry the "AFK" profit is negligible, if they sit in a barge, well an un-boosted miner will chew through a roid in in 9-15 min(3-5 cyles) that is afk enough to take an unhurried crap.
I wonder if nullers when they spend 4 hours fleeting up how many actually sit at keyboard ....
I am worried that the "AFK" label is turning into a witch hunt .....bots\afkers\pve-ers\ Is the pew pew boys so lacking imagination to create content for themselves that the only thing left is to pick on the introvert kids in the yard.
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Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
33
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Posted - 2012.09.07 11:05:00 -
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Mining became relevant when rogue drones stopped poo-ing. |
Malphilos
State War Academy Caldari State
154
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Posted - 2012.09.07 11:27:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that.
Hey! I hear they fly spaceships too. Will the striking similarities never end?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
4760
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Posted - 2012.09.07 11:42:00 -
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I too think mining doesn't matter for you guys.
/c
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Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1938
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Posted - 2012.09.07 14:55:00 -
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Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up*
That would be nice if anyone was fighting. Null sec needs people to actually have some nice big wars then maybe they would appreciate the cheaper ships...but since everyone is just blue with each other...not gonna happen. So they all just spend their time in high sec worrying about how to mess with miners. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:34:00 -
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James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day. |
Brooks Puuntai
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
721
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:40:00 -
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Chribba wrote:I too think mining doesn't matter for you guys.
/c
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
1543
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Posted - 2012.09.07 16:54:00 -
[34] - Quote
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day. man what a badass |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
1982
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:28:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day.
Against the URL? Not sure how mining has anything to do with a Uniform Resource Locator...but ok. |
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
36
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:30:00 -
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The only people who are really upset at the mining barge changes are the gankers because A) they lost their e-stroke material and B) they lost their isk faucet meaning that they now have to go do something that takes effort to make isk.
Actually, the mining barge changes have had a negative impact for those of us who did ATK mining. The market has fallen apart (especially for ice) so it is much less profitable for those of us who don't bot. I never lost a ship to gankers because I paid attention so really, the barge buffs didn't affect my survival rates but has affected my profit levels quite a bit (so much so that I've gone back to running level 4s).
I actually enjoy mining (sick I know) but there's just not a ton of isk in it right now for those of us who don't AFK/Bot. |
Toroup
Prometheus Deep Core Mining and Salvage
36
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:32:00 -
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HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day.
Against the url huh? Are you really an idiot or just, well, an idiot. |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
144
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Posted - 2012.09.07 20:43:00 -
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Tyrton wrote:Abel Merkabah wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:I make isk while AFK. I spend 5-10 minutes deciding what I should do with buy/sell orders at the time and occasionally get in .1 wars, but 99% of the things I sell I'm not even paying attention to, and I don't even have to jetcan every 30 minutes or whatever. Good point; I don't think it is the same though...don't have a reason why right now, but it just doesn't feel the same... Placing a buy/sell order and letting other players have access to it. The act of placing the order can't be done AFK though. vs Sitting in space and letting a long cycle interact with an asteroid (are Ice fields still asteroids?); here the act of mining can be done AFK. Hmmm...not sure if that even sounds right... Don't know if I have an answer to that...good point... Edit: figured it out...AFK Mining the cycle will repeat automatically, meaning they can sit at a large roid and just let it cycle until they fill up their hold. Here the act of mining is being done AFK. If they sit with an indy with a single mining laser ... don't worry the "AFK" profit is negligible, if they sit in a barge, well an un-boosted miner will chew through a roid in in 9-15 min(3-5 cyles) that is afk enough to take an unhurried crap. I wonder if nullers when they spend 4 hours fleeting up how many actually sit at keyboard .... I am worried that the "AFK" label is turning into a witch hunt .....bots\afkers\pve-ers\ Is the pew pew boys so lacking imagination to create content for themselves that the only thing left is to pick on the introvert kids in the yard.
I don't know about the nullsec folks, but when we fleet up, if we are AFK, we are in station or guarded by our corp mates. The issue is not with just being AFK; you want to sit in space and not be watching, that is your choice. However, when you gain competitive advantage through not playing (AFK ISK generation, for an activity that is intended to be "played"), that is wrong IMO. James315 for CSM 8! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
338
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:02:00 -
[39] - Quote
James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that.
Gankers are pissed off because the easy mode is off & now they have to coodinate with each other ifthey want to do cheap ganks with catalysts it'll now 2-3 of them instead of a single solo ganking. So no more solo ganks unless they spend real ISK on BCs =========================================================
EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
338
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:11:00 -
[40] - Quote
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day.
You can still be ganked pretty cheaply by 2-3 catalysts I expect the gankers to now have to do more planning & 2-3 months in the future we'll be seeing lots of AFK ice mining MACs go poof then peeps will switch to retrievers whose losses area lot cheaper since they are 10+ times cheaper.
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EVE residents: 5% Wormholes; 8% Lowsec; 20% Nullsec; 67% Highsec. CSM 6: 100% Nullsec residents. EVE demographics vs CSM demographics, nothing to worry about... |
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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
674
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:51:00 -
[41] - Quote
if everyone in eve stopped mining it would only take a few weeks before battleships were 500mil+. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.09.07 22:59:00 -
[42] - Quote
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day. man what a badass Not badass just truth. He can do nothing to stop me from afk mining. If he ganks and gets concorded I will be right back with another ship. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:02:00 -
[43] - Quote
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day. Against the URL? Not sure how mining has anything to do with a Uniform Resource Locator...but ok. Oh my deepest apologies, some of the other MMO's I play reffer to it as url....here I should have used Eula.... I hope EVE doesnt break because I used a different term. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
106
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:03:00 -
[44] - Quote
Abel Merkabah wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:I make isk while AFK. I spend 5-10 minutes deciding what I should do with buy/sell orders at the time and occasionally get in .1 wars, but 99% of the things I sell I'm not even paying attention to, and I don't even have to jetcan every 30 minutes or whatever. Good point; I don't think it is the same though...don't have a reason why right now, but it just doesn't feel the same... Placing a buy/sell order and letting other players have access to it. The act of placing the order can't be done AFK though. vs Sitting in space and letting a long cycle interact with an asteroid (are Ice fields still asteroids?); here the act of mining can be done AFK. Hmmm...not sure if that even sounds right... Don't know if I have an answer to that...good point... Edit: figured it out...AFK Mining the cycle will repeat automatically, meaning they can sit at a large roid and just let it cycle until they fill up their hold. Here the act of mining is being done AFK.
the afk point is where you fall asleep when mining. Happens to offen for me..... :( |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:06:00 -
[45] - Quote
Toroup wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day. Against the url huh? Are you really an idiot or just, well, an idiot.
Since I am even bothering to answer your Juvenile reply. Yes...yes I am. |
Yokai Mitsuhide
Exiled Mining
2100
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Posted - 2012.09.08 02:16:00 -
[46] - Quote
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote:James 315 wrote:Pasta OfDoom wrote:TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper. Hey! Same justification the botters use. Very nice to see miners reduced to that. I afk mine ice while I play my pvp toon. I will continue to do so untill it is deemed by ccp to be against the url. Nothing you can do to stop me. Have a nice day. Against the URL? Not sure how mining has anything to do with a Uniform Resource Locator...but ok. Oh my deepest apologies, some of the other MMO's I play reffer to it as url....here I should have used Eula.... I hope EVE doesnt break because I used a different term.
It very well may. |
Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
709
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Posted - 2012.09.08 12:46:00 -
[47] - Quote
Hypercake Mix wrote:Mining became relevant when rogue drones stopped poo-ing.
Indeed, yet some nerds claim minerals are cheap and getting cheaper, what a bunch of perfect idiots. Many of those should stop trading/taking coke and start mining or doing something else.
Number of bots in game is for sure at the lowest level this game as ever seen (CCP Shreegs props to you dude)
Drones alloys have been taken away from the game
Mission wrecks drop loot as been completely nerf at the point 2 years ago a lvl4 could poop 4k M3+mods and same now you're happy when you get 1K, no more T1 mods too.
Yet, idiots being idiots, still cry moan and b+»tch like little girls about mining, afk mining, yadayada...Stupid will always be stupid.
brb |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.09.08 18:58:00 -
[48] - Quote
Pasta OfDoom wrote:Everyone is so butthurt over the new mining barge buffs, but I don't understand why. Encouraging mining by making it easier and safer will only have more people generating minerals which will overall make the price of everything go down. So theoretically if e have 3 in 10 miners getting ganked before the change (theoretical numbers) and after the change we have 1 in 10 miners being succesfully ganked, we get 2 more loads of minerals than before the patch. More minerals=minerals become cheaper=it becomes cheaper to make ships and mods=pewing is now cheaper. An anyway, if they afk mine all day why do we care if they have a money faucet? It's not a mining carebear would DO anything with said isk.
TL;DR = More miners make pewing cheaper.
*hateshield up*
If you play the market in Eve much, which I can tell you don't, speculation is the #1 cause of mineral price fluctuation. |
Volar Kang
Quartz Research Strategic Alliance
36
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:33:00 -
[49] - Quote
The issue is, mining can not be lumped into a single issue. Mining has several categories, you have:
1. Botting and AFK mining which is against the game rules and is generally a bad thing as the money made from a lot of this is sold by third parties. It also reduces the price for minerals since they flood the market which takes away from the profits of miners who follow the rules and do the right thing. A buff for these guys sucks.
2. Real miners who mine actively, follow the rules and yet are lumped into the "you suck since you mine and dont pvp so you must also be a bot" mentality. They are just people who favor a different playstyle. Imagine the new player who just got into his first retriever or the group of guys who mine together while discussing politics and RL issues. For this group the buff was a nice thing.
3. Smack-talking dorks who suck at pvp and generally most aspects of Eve. They need to mine to get a new ship and mods that they lost by screwing up a can-flipping and getting concorded. They stay in an NPC corp so you can not war dec them when they act like an idiot. The kind of guy it was a pleasure to gank. A buff for these guys sucks.
In the end it is all a matter of perspective. For some the buff was good and for others, it sucks.
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.09.09 04:02:00 -
[50] - Quote
Volar Kang wrote:The issue is, mining can not be lumped into a single issue. Mining has several categories, you have:
1. Botting and AFK mining which is against the game rules and is generally a bad thing as the money made from a lot of this is sold by third parties. It also reduces the price for minerals since they flood the market which takes away from the profits of miners who follow the rules and do the right thing. A buff for these guys sucks.
FYI AFK mining ISNOT against the rules. Botting is against the rules bc it uses a third party program. I can set my miner up go afk do laundry go grab food/drink/bio or come here and check the forums or play my second toon, This in not against the rules. If it were I would have been long gone and banned. |
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HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.09.09 04:05:00 -
[51] - Quote
Volar Kang wrote:The issue is, mining can not be lumped into a single issue. Mining has several categories, you have:
1. Botting and AFK mining which is against the game rules and is generally a bad thing as the money made from a lot of this is sold by third parties. It also reduces the price for minerals since they flood the market which takes away from the profits of miners who follow the rules and do the right thing. A buff for these guys sucks.
2. Real miners who mine actively, follow the rules and yet are lumped into the "you suck since you mine and dont pvp so you must also be a bot" mentality. They are just people who favor a different playstyle. Imagine the new player who just got into his first retriever or the group of guys who mine together while discussing politics and RL issues. For this group the buff was a nice thing.
3. Smack-talking dorks who suck at pvp and generally most aspects of Eve. They need to mine to get a new ship and mods that they lost by screwing up a can-flipping and getting concorded. They stay in an NPC corp so you can not war dec them when they act like an idiot. The kind of guy it was a pleasure to gank. A buff for these guys sucks.
In the end it is all a matter of perspective. For some the buff was good and for others, it sucks.
Mark Twain once wrote. "I can sit here and keep my mouth shut and let them think I'am an idiot, or I can open it and remove all doubt"
I would just like to thank you sir for removing any doubt. |
Volar Kang
Quartz Research Strategic Alliance
37
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Posted - 2012.09.09 05:06:00 -
[52] - Quote
HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Mark Twain once wrote. "I can sit here and keep my mouth shut and let them think I'am an idiot, or I can open it and remove all doubt"
I would just like to thank you sir for removing any doubt.
I dont know what is funnier, the fact that a guy named HollySomething 2inthestick thinks he is brilliant for quoting Mark Twain or the fact that it took you three minutes to have a second thought and come back and post again.
While I agree AFKing is not against the rules and was a faux pas on my part, I noticed you had no comment on the other 95% of the post. I imagine that means you agree with it. Glad we could see eye to eye. |
HollyShocker 2inthestink
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.09.09 15:49:00 -
[53] - Quote
Volar Kang wrote:HollyShocker 2inthestink wrote: Mark Twain once wrote. "I can sit here and keep my mouth shut and let them think I'am an idiot, or I can open it and remove all doubt"
I would just like to thank you sir for removing any doubt.
I dont know what is funnier, the fact that a guy named HollySomething 2inthestick thinks he is brilliant for quoting Mark Twain or the fact that it took you three minutes to have a second thought and come back and post again. While I agree AFKing is not against the rules and was a faux pas on my part, I noticed you had no comment on the other 95% of the post. I imagine that means you agree with it. Glad we could see eye to eye.
No sorry I did not. You know what they say about assumptions. In my eagerness to jump on the AFK thing I didnt really take in the rest of the post until later.
I felt like the whole post was not well thought out. You make assumptions and use words like real miners and lump people that afk mine into a poor pvp group.
You have no clue who these people are and no clue what level or how well they pvp. Maybe its more a maturity thing,but I dont know either. Hence the Mark Twain quote.
As far as being brilliant, very far from it, Wise would be more accurate. |
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
120
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:21:00 -
[54] - Quote
Volar Kang wrote:The issue is, mining can not be lumped into a single issue. Mining has several categories, you have:
1. Botting and AFK mining which is against the game rules and is generally a bad thing as the money made from a lot of this is sold by third parties. It also reduces the price for minerals since they flood the market which takes away from the profits of miners who follow the rules and do the right thing. A buff for these guys sucks.
2. Real miners who mine actively, follow the rules and yet are lumped into the "you suck since you mine and dont pvp so you must also be a bot" mentality. They are just people who favor a different playstyle. Imagine the new player who just got into his first retriever or the group of guys who mine together while discussing politics and RL issues. For this group the buff was a nice thing.
3. Smack-talking dorks who suck at pvp and generally most aspects of Eve. They need to mine to get a new ship and mods that they lost by screwing up a can-flipping and getting concorded. They stay in an NPC corp so you can not war dec them when they act like an idiot. The kind of guy it was a pleasure to gank. A buff for these guys sucks.
In the end it is all a matter of perspective. For some the buff was good and for others, it sucks.
AFK mining is not even close to against the rules. |
Agent Akari
Hobo Industries Inc
30
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Posted - 2012.09.10 16:41:00 -
[55] - Quote
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:Hypercake Mix wrote:Mining became relevant when rogue drones stopped poo-ing. Indeed, yet some nerds claim minerals are cheap and getting cheaper, what a bunch of perfect idiots. Many of those should stop trading/taking coke and start mining or doing something else. Number of bots in game is for sure at the lowest level this game as ever seen (CCP Shreegs props to you dude) Drones alloys have been taken away from the game Mission wrecks drop loot as been completely nerf at the point 2 years ago a lvl4 could poop 4k M3+mods and same now you're happy when you get 1K, no more T1 mods too. Yet, idiots being idiots, still cry moan and b+»tch like little girls about mining, afk mining, yadayada...Stupid will always be stupid.
Minerals and ore are getting cheaper, but the players at the top who are rich keep buying them over and sell at average price.
To do this for 100.000 ores it's a small profit. To do it with 100.000.000.000 ores, you'll just make a couple of millions in a few mouse clicks. |
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