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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2012.09.06 07:45:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lord Zim wrote:All this concord protection costs money, so to offset having to protect people like you, a bare minimum of 10% of ore refinery output is taken as protection money. When it comes to manufacturing or research etc, hisec is inundated with administrators, and they take 10% of the manufacturing unit's value in administrative costs. And it's posts like this that make the case *for* the hi-sec'ers that all you want is to nerf hi-sec for no appreciable gain they can see, since none of those game mechanics are currently *in game*. It makes the case that you don't necessarily care if the game is made better, per se, as long as "choices" are limited for a group of people you don't (appear) to like... Nullsec industry should be buffed in capacity into being able to nullsec's needs Highsec industry should be nerfed in capacity into being able to handle highsec's needs. Maybe make a capital strip miner for a rorqual to encourage 0.0/low mining. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.06 08:39:00 -
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Roime wrote:
So you hold on to those arguments, even when they have been proven wrong already?
I live in wormhole space and roam regularly in lowsec, and I don't see griefers of killboard whores, that's the game universe I play in.
You should really try to talk more, and bullshit less.
Hush child , they haven't been proven wrong at all, just depends which side your on .
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Roime
Shiva Furnace Dead On Arrival Alliance
1146
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Posted - 2012.09.06 09:10:00 -
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Then I guess you could just as well present your arguments instead of that pitiful dodging. It looks like you have zero confidence in them. Teach us kids about lowsec!
By the way, which side am I on, oh mature one? Gallente - the choice of the interstellar gentleman |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.09.06 09:23:00 -
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Roime wrote:Then I guess you could just as well present your arguments instead of that pitiful dodging. It looks like you have zero confidence in them. Teach us kids about lowsec!
By the way, which side am I on, oh mature one?
You're own, by the sound of it matey
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.06 09:30:00 -
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Remember guys that personal attacks/flaming is prohibited. Please remain on topic, post contructive criticism and show respect for your fellow capsuleers.
- ISD Praetoxx
ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Lord Zim
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Posted - 2012.09.06 09:50:00 -
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Asuri Kinnes wrote:My point being that *one* of the things brought up in the original "11% NPC corp tax thread" was "it would help encourage people to move to low null, to get better iskies". Funny, I thought it was to get people to move out of NPC corps.
Also christ, stop saying "iskies".
Asuri Kinnes wrote:Lord Zim wrote:All this concord protection costs money, so to offset having to protect people like you, a bare minimum of 10% of ore refinery output is taken as protection money. When it comes to manufacturing or research etc, hisec is inundated with administrators, and they take 10% of the manufacturing unit's value in administrative costs. And it's posts like this that make the case *for* the hi-sec'ers that all you want is to nerf hi-sec for no appreciable gain they can see, since none of those game mechanics are currently *in game*. Actually, the only mechanic which isn't strictly there, is the "manufacturing cost based on item cost" (instead we do have the manufacturing installation cost and the running costs, but they're so small as to be negiligible), and I'll readily admit that was a bit over the top, but it was over the top to counter-balance what I can only hope was a troll post.
The problem I have with his post is that he's showing absolutely no regard for balance or sandboxyness.
In hisec, there's very little risk, you can easily autopilot freighters full of minerals etc around, you have tons of resources at your fingertips, and compared to nullsec, almost limitless manufacturing ability for very, very little money. In nullsec, the most common problem to actually building up an empire is that there's almost no industrial capacity as it is, and when a whole region can't compete with single systems in hisec, and this squarely because of serious game mechanics-induced limits, it should be pretty obvious what needs to be done.
As for all the mechanics for costs of doing anything in hisec, if CCP is actually worried about inflation, hisec would be the one place where they should go and up the costs. It likely wouldn't have to be as drastic as my "minimum 10% refinery tax" etc, as the hisec economy is huge, but I see absolutely no problem with slightly increasing costs in hisec across the board. After all, the people in hisec are receiving a huge security net and a vast convenience net in the form of an absolutely huge mound of various raw resources which are readily available to everyone. I'm sure the hisec empires would want to recoup the costs they sink into keeping all this running and secure, and these costs are rising steadily with the population.
You want to live somewhere where these costs are lower? You've got lowsec, NPC nullsec and conquerable nullsec for that, and if you're ambitious you can even choose to build your own empire in nullsec where all such taxes go to your pocket, to do with as you see fit.
Asuri Kinnes wrote:It makes the case that you don't necessarily care if the game is made better, per se, as long as "choices" are limited for a group of people you don't (appear) to like... Actually, it's posts like Kitty Bear's which makes the case for why hisec carebears shouldn't come near anything related to eve game design, because it shows a clear and distinct lack for both game balance, and the concept of "sandbox".
Hisec is where people should go for a safe, low effort and semi-profitable game experience. This should come with a cost, and it currently doesn't, not really. I suppose lowsec should have lower costs, since concord etc is less involved in protecting those areas, whereas conquerable nullsec should be entirely at the mercy of whomever owns the space. And, surprisingly, it is at the mercy of whomever owns the space, the problem with nullsec right now is that no matter how much we want to build up our infrastructure to the point where we can even begin to compete with (or let alone supercede) hisec, we can't. We're limited by the rules of the sandbox from making an empire in nullsec which would be able to compete with hisec, and as such a vast majority of everyone in nullsec do all their moneymaking, production and stocking up in hisec.
This is not as it should be, the imbalance between high, low and null are too vast in the favor of hisec. Nullsec needs to be released from a lot of the restrictions which currently restrain it, and hisec really does need to have some costs increased. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
187
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Posted - 2012.09.06 09:58:00 -
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Roime wrote: So you hold on to those arguments, even when they have been proven wrong already?
I live in wormhole space and roam regularly in lowsec, and I don't see griefers of killboard whores, that's the game universe I play in.
You should really try to talk more, and bullshit less.
Pot kettle and black
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Lord Zim
1289
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Posted - 2012.09.06 09:59:00 -
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Rats, Roime, don't make me stop this thread. I will, if you two don't stop acting like children. I'll stop this thread right now, and you can WALK all the way back to GD. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.06 10:02:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote: ... the problem with nullsec right now is that no matter how much we want to build up our infrastructure to the point where we can even begin to compete with (or let alone supercede) hisec, we can't. We're limited by the rules of the sandbox from making an empire in nullsec which would be able to compete with hisec, and as such a vast majority of everyone in nullsec do all their moneymaking, production and stocking up in hisec.
This is not as it should be, the imbalance between high, low and null are too vast in the favor of hisec. Nullsec needs to be released from a lot of the restrictions which currently restrain it, and hisec really does need to have some costs increased.
Interesting...
I have never lived in null sec but i have always wondered why sov holders don't have the ability to change their systems to be more like high sec.
Bear with me...
Lets say that a sov holder could pick ONE system in a region to be a high security market hub (with NPC & player security and gate guns) do you think this might allow null sec industry to thrive?
If not, why not? They seem me trolling, they hating... |
Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
204
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Posted - 2012.09.06 10:28:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:
Interesting...
I have never lived in null sec but i have always wondered why sov holders don't have the ability to change their systems to be more like high sec.
Bear with me...
Lets say that a sov holder could pick ONE system in a region to be a high security market hub (with NPC & player security and gate guns) do you think this might allow null sec industry to thrive?
If not, why not?
You're coming at the problem from the wrong angle. 0.0 industry doesn't need more safety it needs more flexibility, capacity and resources.
I produce Drakes in batches of 20 once every couple of months in Deklein (probably the most active 0.0 market) and it can take weeks for my mineral buy orders to fill (and even then its mostly people jumping in compressed lowends rather than mining them). Once thats done I have the challenge of fetching 4-5 jump freighters full of materials from potentially 3-4 jumps out of my production station (I could limit my buy orders but that'll take another couple of weeks to fill). Then I'm faced with a couple of days wait for one of the 10 manufacturing slots in the station.
Alternatively I could compress minerals in empire and jump them to a 0.0 refinery, reprocess them there and do the 4-5 jumps in my 6 billion isk pinata to my manufacturing station but then I need an empire production chain as well as a 0.0 one and at that point why bother for the 3-5m profit I get selling a drake. I might as well just buy some in Jita and jump them up pre-built.
Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf). |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.06 10:36:00 -
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Yeep wrote: Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf).
I can relate to this. Perhaps some sort of 0.0 exclusive mining module that yields far greater amount of lowends mined compared to that mined in highsec?
Buff the rorq boosts perhaps or introduce additional mining foreman links to increase lowend yield? ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.06 10:44:00 -
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Yeep wrote:
You're coming at the problem from the wrong angle. 0.0 industry doesn't need more safety it needs more flexibility, capacity and resources.
I produce Drakes in batches of 20 once every couple of months in Deklein (probably the most active 0.0 market) and it can take weeks for my mineral buy orders to fill (and even then its mostly people jumping in compressed lowends rather than mining them). Once thats done I have the challenge of fetching 4-5 jump freighters full of materials from potentially 3-4 jumps out of my production station (I could limit my buy orders but that'll take another couple of weeks to fill). Then I'm faced with a couple of days wait for one of the 10 manufacturing slots in the station.
Alternatively I could compress minerals in empire and jump them to a 0.0 refinery, reprocess them there and do the 4-5 jumps in my 6 billion isk pinata to my manufacturing station but then I need an empire production chain as well as a 0.0 one and at that point why bother for the 3-5m profit I get selling a drake. I might as well just buy some in Jita and jump them up pre-built.
Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf).
Well CCP are currently working on a POS revamp so lets hope that it alleviate some of the current issues... And i didn't know that you could only have one station per system. That is kind of a ridiculous mechanic.
However, if your current null sec market hub was a safer place to be, don't you think people would then jump in their freighters and fill your orders quicker? Obviously there would need to an intensive for them to do that (e.g. more profit) and someone would probably need to provide a safe jump bride network. They seem me trolling, they hating... |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
762
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Posted - 2012.09.06 10:46:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:Yeep wrote: Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf).
I can relate to this. Perhaps some sort of 0.0 exclusive mining module that yields far greater amount of lowends mined compared to that mined in highsec? Buff the rorq boosts perhaps or introduce additional mining foreman links to increase lowend yield? Is it against the rules to insult an ISD member names for suggesting something that would destroy the balance of the games interdependent nature? Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Lord Zim
1291
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:00:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Lets say that a sov holder could pick ONE system in a region to be a high security market hub (with NPC & player security and gate guns) do you think this might allow null sec industry to thrive?
If not, why not? Huh? Where does the "high security market hub", "NPC and player security" and "gate guns" come into the picture? The problem with nullsec industry has absolutely nothing to do with a high security market hub, npc/player security, gate guns or anything of that sort, I've no idea why you would even think this would have any sort of effect whatsoever.
The problem is that the reality of today's nullsec industry is that it's a complete cockstab. You have to setup one system to be the "refinery system", one system to be the "office system", one to be the research system (or you setup POSes, I suppose), one or more to be the "manufacturing systems", so in effect you can end up with a constellation of, say, 50-100 manufacturing slots.
Compare that to f.ex itamo, where there are 11 stations with 50 manufacturing slots each, i.e. 550 slots in one system, all of which have reprocessing in them, meaning you can easily mine into the same station where you do manufacturing. This means that in hisec all you have to do to be a large-scale manufacturer is buy a large freighter and maybe an orca for the more valuable goods, haul it 1-3 jumps (or mine it into the same station you're in, although you probably can't mine even close to enough to actually fulfill even the appetite of a single slot), refine/build in one of a billion stations, and haul to market. |
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ISD Praetoxx
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:02:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:Yeep wrote: Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf).
I can relate to this. Perhaps some sort of 0.0 exclusive mining module that yields far greater amount of lowends mined compared to that mined in highsec? Buff the rorq boosts perhaps or introduce additional mining foreman links to increase lowend yield? Is it against the rules to insult an ISD member by calling them names for suggesting something that would destroy the balance of the games interdependent nature?
Constructive criticism is always welcome! Let's leave the name calling out of this. Tell it to my ship if we ever meet in New Eden.
ISD Praetoxx Ensign Community Communication Liasons (CCLs) Interstellar Service Department |
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Lord Zim
1291
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:04:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:However, if your current null sec market hub was a safer place to be, don't you think people would then jump in their freighters and fill your orders quicker? Obviously there would need to an intensive for them to do that (e.g. more profit) and someone would probably need to provide a safe jump bride network. Currently, it is vastly more efficient (both isk-wise, effort-wise and time-wise) to just build or buy in jita and ship it all up to whereever you live. There is no manufacturing market in nullsec, apart from amongst particularly anal guys who would probably feel at home in CVA, and loves to RP some sort of local manufacturer, oooooor you're a supercarrier/titan manufacturer. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:05:00 -
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Oh i see.
I did say that i have never lived in low sec so forgive my ignorance.
Thanks for clearing that up and i hope CCP fix the null sec station issue soon. They seem me trolling, they hating... |
ugh zug
45
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:05:00 -
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how bout we nuke low and null instead? just vaporize it with very large super nova bowling balls. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Lord Zim
1291
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:05:00 -
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ugh zug wrote:how bout we nuke low and null instead? just vaporize it with very large super nova bowling balls. How about we nuke your posting? |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
762
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:07:00 -
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ISD Praetoxx wrote:Frying Doom wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:Yeep wrote: Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf).
I can relate to this. Perhaps some sort of 0.0 exclusive mining module that yields far greater amount of lowends mined compared to that mined in highsec? Buff the rorq boosts perhaps or introduce additional mining foreman links to increase lowend yield? Is it against the rules to insult an ISD member by calling them names for suggesting something that would destroy the balance of the games interdependent nature? Constructive criticism is always welcome! Let's leave the name calling out of this. Tell it to my ship if we ever meet in New Eden. Ok constructive criticism....
One of the worst ideas I have ever heard. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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ugh zug
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:09:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:ugh zug wrote:how bout we nuke low and null instead? just vaporize it with very large super nova bowling balls. How about we nuke your posting?
you're welcome to try, good luck with that by the way. Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Rek Seven
Probe Patrol Project Wildfire
419
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:20:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:Yeep wrote: Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf).
I can relate to this. Perhaps some sort of 0.0 exclusive mining module that yields far greater amount of lowends mined compared to that mined in highsec? Buff the rorq boosts perhaps or introduce additional mining foreman links to increase lowend yield? Is it against the rules to insult an ISD member by calling them names for suggesting something that would destroy the balance of the games interdependent nature?
Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, how else are you going to make it better to mine in dangerous areas without either doing something like this or nerfing highsec mining (which is the same thing)? They see me trolling, they hating... |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
765
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:36:00 -
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Rek Seven wrote:Frying Doom wrote:ISD Praetoxx wrote:Yeep wrote: Or I guess I could whip out a hulk and do some mining but why should I have to do that? Mining is terrible.
For 0.0 industry to thrive we need to de-couple stations from sov so we can have more than one station per system. We need some way of producing our own lowend minerals in a way that is close to the profit produced by highends to encourage people to actually mine them. And we need more production capacity in player built outposts so that production can keep up with the increased number of players in 0.0 (probably more research too but idgaf).
I can relate to this. Perhaps some sort of 0.0 exclusive mining module that yields far greater amount of lowends mined compared to that mined in highsec? Buff the rorq boosts perhaps or introduce additional mining foreman links to increase lowend yield? Is it against the rules to insult an ISD member by calling them names for suggesting something that would destroy the balance of the games interdependent nature? Doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, how else are you going to make it better to mine in dangerous areas without either doing something like this or nerfing highsec mining (which is the same thing)? The mineral prices in Null were actually pretty good until this year where a lot of people have stated to mine in Null. Unfortunately it is just a function of supply and demand. Doing as that says would destroy the economies in the rest of EvE just to give Null miners a higher reward.
So mining was already better in Null but now people have flooded the market, so you think they should be rewarded more for over supply. Strange I did not hear this view when Hi-sec residents flooded their markets.
Null needs to be fixed first and foremost by altering the rewards from the top down system to the bottom up. But this needs to be made carefully as any alterations could easily result in massive inflation or as has happened a flooding of the market. But a corp and an alliance should live by its members not gain enough isk to go on forever if all the members left. So as I said bottom up.
As to increased income, with ring mining in the pipes I would like to see it based on the PI system for the reward levels where hi-get the least, lo about middle of the road and Null the most. Industry in Null needs an overhaul but I think that should actually be covered with the POS revamp, so if you want it you can have it if you pay.
As to the mining anoms apparently the amounts of spod need to be reduced to allow for a better profit per hour by Null miners.
Then the null sec Sov system needs an overhaul. Well scrapping completely and a full re-build.
Edit: Damn I was going to say iskies to annoy Lord Zim Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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ugh zug
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:37:00 -
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ugh zug wrote:lets think about this for a minute ccp...
you nerf high sec anger 60% of your player base + riots high sec subscription decrease by 30-40% 15 % additional subscription fallout due to inflation/market shortages. ccp goes bankrupt because dust flop + sudden decline in eve subscriptions might as well call the patch incarna 2.0; derpaggedonGäó
just saying, you should know who's paying your bills... and you shouldn't force people into a game play style that they clearly do not want.
ugh zug wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Has anyone considered that maybe the reason some people stick to highsec isn't some skewed risk/reward mechanic but rather the kinds of people who populate low/nullsec? It seems to me a lot of people in low and null are crying for highsec to be nerfed not out of some altrustic desire to see the game improved but because they don't have enough targets because nobody wants to bother running around getting griefed and blown up by gankers, pirates, and gate camp blobs. Does that really surprise anyone? this
Want me to shut up?-á Send me ISK and i'll stop giving suggestions to CCP that make sense. Remove content from my post, 15 bil. Remove my content from a thread I have started 30bil. |
Lord Zim
1291
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:51:00 -
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ugh zug wrote:lets think about this for a minute ccp...
you nerf high sec anger 60% of your player base + riots high sec subscription decrease by 30-40% 15 % additional subscription fallout due to inflation/market shortages. ccp goes bankrupt because dust flop + sudden decline in eve subscriptions might as well call the patch incarna 2.0; derpaggedonGäó
just saying, you should know who's paying your bills... and you shouldn't force people into a game play style that they clearly do not want. TL/DR: "abloo bloo bloo for once something negative happened to hisec, EVERYBODY UNSUBSCRIBE""
ugh zug wrote:Paul Oliver wrote:Has anyone considered that maybe the reason some people stick to highsec isn't some skewed risk/reward mechanic but rather the kinds of people who populate low/nullsec? It seems to me a lot of people in low and null are crying for highsec to be nerfed not out of some altrustic desire to see the game improved but because they don't have enough targets because nobody wants to bother running around getting griefed and blown up by gankers, pirates, and gate camp blobs. Does that really surprise anyone? this Yeah, that, except it's wrong. |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
543
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Posted - 2012.09.06 11:58:00 -
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Perhaps it would help if null sec folk posted and explained how good null is rather than simply insulting hi-sec folk.
Insulting the very folk you would like to have move to your play area has always seemed like a mistaken approach to me. You want fries with that? |
Lord Zim
1291
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:02:00 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Perhaps it would help if null sec folk posted and explained how good null is rather than simply insulting hi-sec folk.
Insulting the very folk you would like to have move to your play area has always seemed like a mistaken approach to me. It's almost as if we haven't been saying that nullsec isn't good enough to entice people to move there right now, and that a combination of buffing nullsec and slightly nerfing of hisec would be needed.
But just almost. |
Rats
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:03:00 -
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Lord Zim wrote:Rats, Roime, don't make me stop this thread. I will, if you two don't stop acting like children. I'll stop this thread right now, and you can WALK all the way back to GD.
Yes dad
Tal
-áI Fought the Law, and the Law Won... -áTalon Silverhawk-á |
Ghazu
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:10:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:The mineral prices in Null were actually pretty good until this year where a lot of people have stated to mine in Null. Unfortunately it is just a function of supply and demand. Doing as that says would destroy the economies in the rest of EvE just to give Null miners a higher reward. So mining was already better in Null but now people have flooded the market, so you think they should be rewarded more for over supply. Strange I did not hear this view when Hi-sec residents flooded their markets. Null needs to be fixed first and foremost by altering the rewards from the top down system to the bottom up. But this needs to be made carefully as any alterations could easily result in massive inflation or as has happened a flooding of the market. But a corp and an alliance should live by its members not gain enough isk to go on forever if all the members left. So as I said bottom up. As to increased income, with ring mining in the pipes I would like to see it based on the PI system for the reward levels where hi-get the least, lo about middle of the road and Null the most. Industry in Null needs an overhaul but I think that should actually be covered with the POS revamp, so if you want it you can have it if you pay. As to the mining anoms apparently the amounts of spod need to be reduced to allow for a better profit per hour by Null miners. Then the null sec Sov system needs an overhaul. Well scrapping completely and a full re-build. Edit: Damn I was going to say iskies to annoy Lord Zim
You are missing the point that the problem with null industry is the lack of production capacity. Imagine when given equal means people in null might just begin to replace our own ships by building locally. As for tech, we may begin to see it being consumed in null manufacturing instead of being hauled to jita to be sold.
Alliances in null are already living and dying by its members. How do you think tech moons, sov, and regions are held? We already pay sov bills what do you pay in highsec? Null industry upgrades (as in production capacity) should be like adding things to station services or put it on the ihub or whatever. This will make holding sov more meaningful, give us the tools customize and bling it up, a new tax source for the alliances, like that vision of the farms and fields. Give the highsec alts a reason to come home to null.
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.09.06 12:15:00 -
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That the game mechanics of null needs to be fixed is something that many null sec folk have been saying for quite some time.
Not sure how nerfing hi-sec will fix the broken game mechanics of null.
But my main point is that insulting the very group of players null sec want to move to their play area, just seems counter productive. You want fries with that? |
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