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Capt 0bvious
Adaptes Astartes
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Posted - 2011.04.29 08:25:00 -
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Winmatar pilots unite, the Hel needs a proper boost!
Time to get rid of all these Nyxes and Aeons, more Hels!
No but in all seriousness, what sort of boost would the Hel need to be used as decent supercarrier as well? Post it here so we can make an official Idea / Improvement topic
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andeira
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Posted - 2011.04.29 08:39:00 -
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5% shield per lvl so it doesn't have a lolfit logi bonus and it becomes clear that it should shield tank -------------
Originally by: Stitcher For frak's sake, it took millions of years of evolution for that brain to get inside your skull, would it kill you to actually USE the damned thing?
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.29 09:14:00 -
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Umm...
A few weeks back i wrote a VERY long speal showing the Hel is actually superior when fleeted with other Hels, RR'ing each other.
The conclusions were: - Fix the Hel requires fixing all lag. - Add more cap/cap usage bonus on RR - Or, Drone RoF increase - Shield amount/shield resist based implant set
Pick one or 2.
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Capt 0bvious
Adaptes Astartes
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Posted - 2011.04.29 09:16:00 -
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Introducing shield implants for recharge would be awesome. Armor SC's have the Slave set, but shield SC's have none.
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Headerman
Minmatar Metanoia. Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.04.29 09:22:00 -
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Well in regards to SCs, there are 4 categories, each very different from the other: - Armour tanker - Shield tanker - Damage dealer - Remote repper
All of those are in line with their sub cap counterparts. The Hel's RR bonus is very good but just can't be used in cap fights (not many other Hels to team up with, and Nids are made of paper anyway)
So yeah. To fix the Hel, CCP either have to introduce new implants, or borrow a bonus from another race
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FlameGlow
Gypsy Band
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Posted - 2011.04.29 10:40:00 -
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give it fighter/fb speed, like on the turd
Originally by: CCP Manifest Imploding servers are not a part of our business model.
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.04.29 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Headerman Umm...
A few weeks back i wrote a VERY long speal showing the Hel is actually superior when fleeted with other Hels, RR'ing each other.
Next to the Aeon, of course.
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Jacob Stov
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Posted - 2011.04.29 13:16:00 -
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Guess the obvious thing would be to remove the RR bonus and add a damagebonus for fighters. Then you have 2 SC's with tankbonus and two with damagebonus. In the end Hel and Wyvern will still be crappy, until shield tankers get a working implant set.
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Cambarus
The Baros Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.04.29 14:34:00 -
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Edited by: Cambarus on 29/04/2011 14:35:43
Originally by: Jacob Stov Guess the obvious thing would be to remove the RR bonus and add a damagebonus for fighters. Then you have 2 SC's with tankbonus and two with damagebonus. In the end Hel and Wyvern will still be crappy, until shield tankers get a working implant set.
Wyvern's not that bad, it still gets notably more EHP than the nyx even if the nyx has slaves.
EDIT: IMO the problem with the matari bonuses to carriers is that they're just not big enough to justify using over the more survivable carriers/SCs. Nid should be upped to 10% more RR/level and the hel should get a much more massive boost. Nothing inherently wrong with a logistics SC, but when a triage carrier does it 10X better that bonus is somewhat wasted. |
kyrv
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Posted - 2011.04.30 11:29:00 -
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Remote transfer Hel's with bonuses
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Missy Sasha
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Posted - 2011.04.30 12:54:00 -
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nerf other minmatar ships then we'll talk
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Kastsumi Kobayariel
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Posted - 2011.04.30 13:00:00 -
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The Hel is actually the best tank...
...for a the Nyxes in the the fleet.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.04.30 14:35:00 -
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Start by nerfing other SCs to hel levels.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.04.30 17:11:00 -
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I think the Hel needs 4 Turrets with 100% dmg bonus. And 5% Dmg/%5% RoF to XL Projectiles.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.04.30 21:23:00 -
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- Increase 5% Capital Armor and Shield transfer bonus per level to 7.5% Capital Armor and Shield Transfer amount and 5% Capital Armor and Shield Transfer Cap Use per level. Effectivly elimitating the chief reason the Hel (and Niddy) lose out to other ships (capacitor). This elimiates the undesirable buff to cap (it can still be capped out easily which is the chief weakness for the minmatar race) - Elimiate Slave set bonus to capitals and supercapitals.
Its that or give it a drone type damage bonus - but tracking (explotion radius) defeats the intended purpose of fighter bombers, and drone speed, while nice, is underwhelming compaired to the rep bonus.
Overall, supercaps and moms in particular are simply ships that should never have been introduced - and now CCP is stuck with trying to create roles for ships that never had them to begin with (other then be rare and powerful. . .lol)
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Sigras
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Posted - 2011.04.30 22:16:00 -
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You guys are thinking about the the wrong way; the HEL doesnt need a buff, all of the supercarriers need a nerf, its just that the Hels nerf should be a bit less severe.
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Trader20
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:08:00 -
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The HEL is like a pre-op tranny that can't decide wat it wants to be...
so just give it a 15% reduction in mwd sig per level
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Adacia Calla
Minmatar Firebird Squadron Terra-Incognita
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Posted - 2011.04.30 23:38:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20 The HEL is like a pre-op tranny that can't decide wat it wants to be...
so just give it a 15% reduction in mwd sig per level
This.
And let us use 8 MWDs again like the old days.
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Atius Tirawa
Minmatar Sebiestor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.01 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras You guys are thinking about the the wrong way; the HEL doesnt need a buff, all of the supercarriers need a nerf.
just that the Hels nerf should be a bit less severe.
I am guessing you have not been around much - or - are very forgetful. Please tell me the last time CCP nurfed anything, and did not completly kill it? Like a lot of companies - they buff lightly (not really - just look at ACs. . . massive massive buff from so many angles. . . killed blasters in the process) for the most part and nurf too hard (well. . .everything ever nurfed really). So your idea - while rational - does not work here because reason never reached iceland like most 18th C. ideas. -----------
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Mastah Mazoku
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Posted - 2011.05.27 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mastah Mazoku on 27/05/2011 18:59:18 CCP badly need to balance the supercarrier. We can all see that there is less and less Hel in capital fights.
When a frigate is not really used, it's not a big problem, you can train to an other one in less than 10days. For a supercarrier you need at least 5months to change hull.
Be it that other supercarrier get nerf or the Hel getting a bonus, tbh i don't mind either way. Just please, CCP, make sure Hel can be used again ... (if it as ever been used..)
If needed, I'll bump this thread until death.
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mama guru
Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.27 19:06:00 -
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Originally by: Capt 0bvious Introducing shield implants for recharge would be awesome. Armor SC's have the Slave set, but shield SC's have none.
Shield recharge would just make passive tanks overpowered for PVE. Shield HP with a recharge penalty would be fine. _________ EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak. |
gustin steel
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Posted - 2011.05.27 21:14:00 -
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Make it vertical
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Malcolm Drant
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Posted - 2011.05.27 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: gustin steel Make it vertical
This....
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Irrationality
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Posted - 2011.05.27 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mastah Mazoku
When a frigate is not really used, it's not a big problem, you can train to an other one in less than 10days. For a supercarrier you need at least 5months to change hull.
When deciding to train for a supercarrier, you might aswell want to train a proper one.
There will never be a Slave-like shield implant set because it would **** up subcap PvP to a degree thats not even funny.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.05.27 23:27:00 -
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Shield SC will remain useless as long as they don't get full shield from gang links upon jump in.
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Liang Nuren
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Posted - 2011.05.27 23:30:00 -
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Boost the **** out of its cap recharge and remote repair amount bonus. Remove tackle immunity (while keeping ewar immunity). Make it dockable, nerf the **** out of its HP, fighter drone bay, and reduce build cost.
Viola! Its the best SC! :)
-Liang -- Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire On Twitter
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Headerman
Minmatar Element 115. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.27 23:40:00 -
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Originally by: Silas Cooper Shield SC will remain useless as long as they don't get full shield from gang links upon jump in.
That or boost the RR amount and cap usage for it too
Since CCP has been fixing lag to a degree, the RR bonus should be more viable
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King Rothgar
Path of the Fallen
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Posted - 2011.05.28 00:13:00 -
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The hel is overpowered and needs a good nerf, it's just the other SC's need an even bigger nerf. Thus far you shall read, but no further; for this is my sig. |
Songbird
Gallente T.I.E. Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.28 07:00:00 -
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Boost the Heaven too !
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Rastigan
Caldari Ars ex Discordia Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.28 13:08:00 -
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Originally by: Sigras You guys are thinking about the the wrong way; the HEL doesnt need a buff, all of the supercarriers need a nerf, its just that the Hels nerf should be a bit less severe.
+1
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