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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:47:00 -
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Edited by: Breaker77 on 20/06/2011 02:54:24
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
His limited knowledge on manufacturing leads me to believe this is a ponzi. to the noobs who invested in this, these are the questions you ask before you stick your money in.
I am still holding 5 billion in BPOs that are being researched found here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1487497
I also have another 2.4 billion in BPOs that are being researched.
I also have held 5 billion in BPOs that are completely different BPOs from the above collateral found here
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1427907
I really don't know why anyone would buy 12.4 billion in BPOs and have them researched if they were not going to use them.
Then again, stranger things have happened.
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge When was the last time this guy was audited/fact checked?
Can you post a screenshot of your current jobs?
I still have his API but you are the first that has asked for an audit/fact check and quite frankly you are a forum troll with zero credibility. While you do bring up very valid points, I don't see any of the current investors (myself included) extremely worried or it would have been brought up before.
However is SH agrees, I can pull his API and verify that he has indeed been buying minerals and selling finished items along with pulling his running jobs from the API.
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Torain
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Posted - 2011.06.20 02:57:00 -
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Edited by: Torain on 20/06/2011 03:00:09
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge When was the last time this guy was audited/fact checked?
Previous SHSG History - 2011.03.04 16:50:00 Audit - 2010.10.08 17:57:00
Additional Bonds not listed in History. SHSG BPO Bond - Phase A Amount: 3 Billion ISK - 2011.03.12 00:16:00 (?) Repaid: 3.09 Billion ISK - 2011.04.10 03:26:00 (?) Breaker77 is researching the collateral.
SHSG BPO Bond - Phase B Amount: 5 Billion ISK - 2011.03.19 03:31:00 (?) Repaid: 5.3 Billion ISK - 2011.05.18 05:11:00 (?) Breaker77 is researching the collateral.
SHSG BPO Bond - Phase C Amount: 5 Billion ISK - 2011.03.27 14:29:00 (?) Repaid: ??? Billion ISK - ??? (Running - Due 2011.06.25) One Bond holder for the full amount. Banque. Breaker77 is researching the collateral.
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Callean Drevus I might be interested in buying shares, though this would be a first for me. I'd be obliged if you can explain the process to me in more detail. I'm especially confused by how shares are tracked. Are they just numbers somewhere on a slip of paper, or represented somewhere in the EVE game mechanics?
Currently interested in 200 shares.
There are 2 kind of shares: regular and virtual.
You will get the regular ones, they are implemented in EvE and can be sent to people. When a payment is made you will see a message about having received a dividend out of a certain total.
Just as VV has explained. Also we know who has the shares as there is a shareholder tab in the corp wallet. The shares we issue to you will be found in YOUR personal wallet under the shares tab. This will show how many shares you own and what corp they are from.
Originally by: Arancar Australis Edited by: Arancar Australis on 19/06/2011 07:35:21 Please reserve 100 shares.
Is isk still to be sent to Zia Pow?
Zia Pow is preferred, but if you send it to me its ok ill see it and send the shares.
I issued the shares for everyone that has sent is so far, and updated the list.
I'll take time to read through Jerry's post and reply shortly.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77
I am still holding 5 billion in BPOs that are being researched found here
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1487497
I also have another 2.4 billion in BPOs that are being researched.
This actually raise's more alarms. If the BPOs are still being researched, then what is actually being produced?
The problem with these manufacturing bonds is that they are a very clever mask for a ponzi. as its pretty hard to tell if anything is actually being manufactured.
Originally by: Breaker77
I really don't know why anyone would buy 12.4 billion in BPOs and have them researched if they were not going to use them.
Then again, stranger things have happened.
What BPO's are you talking about? it stuns me that no-one has asked what is being produced in any detail or am i missing something. is it maybe that yourself breaker has jumped in thus satisfying the lesser knowns to jump in also? you said it yourself, your only in this due to holding his BPO's.
To answer your question, Researched BPO's sell well on the sell order forums. Take cap companent BPO's for e.g. rather than being 'used' & making maybe 5% profit above mineral cost (pending markets/reseller's/day traders) The BPO itself can be sold for more with less hassle, no hauling, no queues to watch etc.
point is, no-one knows whats being produced, in what quantity & at what risk.
Originally by: Breaker77
I still have his API but you are the first that has asked for an audit/fact check and quite frankly you are a forum troll with zero credibility. While you do bring up very valid points, I don't see any of the current investors (myself included) extremely worried or it would have been brought up before.
Your position is different to the general public as you have insurance/collateral for your part, i assume you would be asking similar questions after he gets that collateral back though
Originally by: Breaker77
However is SH agrees, I can pull his API and verify that he has indeed been buying minerals and selling finished items along with pulling his running jobs from the API.
Would be a good thing if you could would certainly help get this monkey of his back., if he has nothing to hide. a disclosure of trade/manufacturing alts would also help.
More importantly, the skillsheets are critical to this analysis, should i become an investor & not a 'useless troll' as you put (i assume your still butthurt at me for something) i would like to know if my isk is being used properly, with the correct skillset to match.
btw, thanks for the compliment. _________________________________________________
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khai88
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Posted - 2011.06.20 03:53:00 -
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ISK send to Stealing Honest
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
This actually raise's more alarms. If the BPOs are still being researched, then what is actually being produced?
He has several other BPOs that I researched months ago with his earlier bonds. I would venture to say that he is building those and any others he has.
As for selling researched BPOs, It would be almost impossible to make a profit reselling these. Take his currently running Phase C bond. At 3% per month and running for 3 months a BPO would have to sell for 9% above NPC PLUS my fee on top of that. It can be done, but with the large number of "I do XXX so it's free!!" idiots in this game, the profit of reselling these is not much above NPC price. All I can really say is that they are not capital or capital related BPOs, which do usually increase in value when researched.
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Liberty Eternal
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Posted - 2011.06.20 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77 All I can really say is that they are not capital or capital related BPOs, which do usually increase in value when researched.
This makes little sense - BPO's do increase in value when researched. No-one would buy NPC blueprints in the first place if it really was possible to get a researched equivalent at the same price.
I think you need to do some investigating on this one Breaker, especially with the name of the offering changed to a scam meme. I would like to echo Jerry's line of questioning regarding the alt's and their capabilities as a good starting point.
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Roland Schlosser
THE EXOGEN CONSORTIUM
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Posted - 2011.06.20 14:08:00 -
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I'll take the remaining 200 shares
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Fuzzballl
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Posted - 2011.06.20 15:37:00 -
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Got my 50 Krazy Bannans Shares when do I get the "New" ones?
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Liberty Eternal
Originally by: Breaker77 All I can really say is that they are not capital or capital related BPOs, which do usually increase in value when researched.
This makes little sense - BPO's do increase in value when researched. No-one would buy NPC blueprints in the first place if it really was possible to get a researched equivalent at the same price.
Have you ever wondered why people value researched BPOs at NPC price when doing collateral? If they were so easy and fast to sell for over NPC price we would value them higher.
Also I can buy ME 20 Raven BPOs on contract right now for 20 million ISK over NPC price. Thats over 1 1/2 months of research! Lets calculate the cost of POS fuel and the value of the 1 research slot that is being taken up by a character? Hmm looks like someone is selling at a loss!
Megathron is similar. Hell I can buy a Nyx for 16 billion with ME 1! Thats 2 months of research for 2 billion LESS than NPC!
Need I continue researching the profitability of selling researched BPOs? Ok so you do have me. Someone is trying to sell a ME0/PE0 hammerhead 1 BPO for 36 million (34.5 million over NPC). I'm sure some idiot will buy it in time.
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Fuzzballl
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Posted - 2011.06.20 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Fuzzballl on 20/06/2011 18:46:24 That is odd, im a noob so ya know what tha means, but i guess maybe they got the uses they wanted out of them so then they sold them for a price that would sell quick(wish i had isk for one that was under npc market price) in reality it sounds kinda stupid to sell under npc price, but if they already made isk off it, then selling at a loss is still a profit, i guess. Maybe they are just nice, nevertheless remember im a noob and know nothing. Plz give me a berak about my post im a noob and am not trying to go into hardcore expert level discusions, that would be totally over my head just thowing the idea out. Selling for a loss still makes no since tho.
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Breaker77
Gallente Reclamation Industries
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Posted - 2011.06.20 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Fuzzballl in reality it sounds kinda stupid to sell under npc price, but if they already made isk off it, then selling at a loss is still a profit,
I would like to introduce you to my signature
People sell at a loss because they:
A. Mined minerals for free! B. Mined ice for POS fuel for free! C. Did PI for POS fuel for free! D. Ran a few missions so the PLEX they bought was free!
So the game time was free, the POS fuel was free, minerals were free, therefore all the ISK they made selling the item is pure profit!!
The majority of idiots industrialists in EVE believe the above.
Though you do bring up a good point. Sometimes people just want to get rid of something and don't really care what it sells for.
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Candy Oshea
Amarr Techfree Investment Group
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Posted - 2011.06.20 23:30:00 -
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Originally by: Breaker77 Have you ever wondered why people value researched BPOs at NPC price when doing collateral? If they were so easy and fast to sell for over NPC price we would value them higher.
Also I can buy ME 20 Raven BPOs on contract right now for 20 million ISK over NPC price. Thats over 1 1/2 months of research! Lets calculate the cost of POS fuel and the value of the 1 research slot that is being taken up by a character? Hmm looks like someone is selling at a loss!
Very true, there is alot of researched BPO's going for NPC price or slightly above & those are the ones i buy.
I usually get into a conversation with the person i buy the BPO's from, 99% of the time, its a newer player, Buying 4 plex cards of the website, buying some ships/stuff & dumping the rest of it in a BS BPO (there favorite faction), doing some research if any, building one or 2 BS's from it, then looking to sell it back on the market... but it cant be re-packaged.
Another scenario, one which i bought most of my Cap BPO library from was a guy that lived in a wormhole & built a few caps inside. he chose to buy vanilla prints instead of Copies. got bored in the WH & sold them below NPC price. *Shrug*
Point is, you have to understand, not everyone is as good with a pocket calculator/Spreadsheet as you or I. & not everyone cares that they are losing 20m in todays sell NOW buy NOW world.
Originally by: Breaker77 Need I continue researching the profitability of selling researched BPOs? Ok so you do have me. Someone is trying to sell a ME0/PE0 hammerhead 1 BPO for 36 million (34.5 million over NPC). I'm sure some idiot will buy it in time.
There is major Passive profits to be had in Researched BPO's You just have to be patient & chose the correct product line.
Take a look at Drake BPO's on the sell forums as an e.g. the same inpatience (You call idiots) of not wanting to wait for researching a vanilla print is driving that market.
If Edwin was still around im sure he would agree, he sold some Prints at unbelievable mark-ups. ___ iCandy Bonds
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.21 02:21:00 -
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Bump still wanting a response from OP regarding this scam. _________________________________________________
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Stealing Honest
Stealing Honest Speculation Group LLC
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: Roland Schlosser I'll take the remaining 200 shares
ISK sent
Shares Sent.
Originally by: Fuzzballl Got my 50 Krazy Bannans Shares when do I get the "New" ones?
In about 20 minutes from now. Was sending them last night, but in-law agro got me.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Stealing Honest ignorant rabble
i like the part where you avoided any & all questioning, continued issuing shares. _________________________________________________
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Brock Nelson
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Posted - 2011.06.21 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Stealing Honest ignorant rabble
i like the part where you avoided any & all questioning, continued issuing shares.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.21 04:59:00 -
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Edited by: Jerry Pepridge on 21/06/2011 05:00:12 Hi brock!
rest assured, you & what you post is still relevant i promise.
EDIT: you must be mad tho, the hoops you had to jump thru to get your scam up and running, VS's this scam which he has made hardly any effort _________________________________________________
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Arancar Australis
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Posted - 2011.06.23 14:49:00 -
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Isk sent, sorry for the delay!
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Zia Pow
Krazy Banana
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Posted - 2011.06.25 02:25:00 -
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Originally by: Arancar Australis Isk sent, sorry for the delay!
Shares Sent
Zia/SH
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Bump still wanting a response from OP regarding this scam.
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Faith Clothos
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Posted - 2011.06.28 03:29:00 -
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Originally by: Stealing Honest
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Originally by: Callean Drevus I might be interested in buying shares, though this would be a first for me. I'd be obliged if you can explain the process to me in more detail. I'm especially confused by how shares are tracked. Are they just numbers somewhere on a slip of paper, or represented somewhere in the EVE game mechanics?
Currently interested in 200 shares.
There are 2 kind of shares: regular and virtual.
You will get the regular ones, they are implemented in EvE and can be sent to people. When a payment is made you will see a message about having received a dividend out of a certain total.
Just as VV has explained. Also we know who has the shares as there is a shareholder tab in the corp wallet. The shares we issue to you will be found in YOUR personal wallet under the shares tab. This will show how many shares you own and what corp they are from.
Originally by: Arancar Australis Edited by: Arancar Australis on 19/06/2011 07:35:21 Please reserve 100 shares.
Is isk still to be sent to Zia Pow?
Zia Pow is preferred, but if you send it to me its ok ill see it and send the shares.
I issued the shares for everyone that has sent is so far, and updated the list.
I'll take time to read through Jerry's post and reply shortly.
Stealing Honest has a funny idea of what shortly means.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.29 03:47:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Bump still wanting a response from OP regarding this scam.
and as per our mail, no i will not take 500m to stay out of your topic. it takes alot more than that to buy JP _________________________________________________
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: Jerry Pepridge Bump still wanting a response from OP regarding this scam.
and as per our mail, no i will not take 500m to stay out of your topic. it takes alot more than that to buy JP
why not take 500mil then continue to posts?
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:14:00 -
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Originally by: trance atlas why not take 500mil then continue to posts?
lurk moar
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FearNo Evil
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Posted - 2011.06.29 04:50:00 -
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Wondering if there are anymore shares left, I'm looking to buy about 200?
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Drantu
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Posted - 2011.06.29 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Drantu on 29/06/2011 06:19:00 I am also interested in buying shares if any are still available. Up to 400.
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.29 06:26:00 -
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Originally by: Drantu Edited by: Drantu on 29/06/2011 06:19:00 I am also interested in buying shares if any are still available. Up to 400.
send isk to Jerry pepridge, ill send you some shares _________________________________________________
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trance atlas
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Posted - 2011.06.29 06:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jerry Pepridge
Originally by: trance atlas why not take 500mil then continue to posts?
lurk moar
SO....
LRN24CHAN but a lrn24chan meme would also = lulz as in take SPACESHIP MONEY and lurk/troll more
so imconfusedwhyyouwouldnottaketheiskbutlurkandshiptoastmore.jpg also jelly and ponys for summer***s?
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Jerry Pepridge
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Posted - 2011.06.29 09:07:00 -
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Originally by: trance atlas
SO....
LRN24CHAN but a lrn24chan meme would also = lulz as in take SPACESHIP MONEY and lurk/troll more
so imconfusedwhyyouwouldnottaketheiskbutlurkandshiptoastmore.jpg also jelly and ponys for summer***s?
New*** detected. _________________________________________________
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