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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.05 20:46:00 -
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If I'm providing logistic support to someone else and they have someone aggressed to them, that person can start shooting me. The problem is, it doesn't give me a warning that that person has anyone aggressed to them.
People are scamming using this method. They will ask for reps in a mission or something and you get red flagged to their "enemies" before you even do anything.
I think you shouldn't get aggression toward someone's enemies for repping them unless that enemy is currently in combat with them, and you shouldn't get aggression for activating the modules unless you actually help your target (provide repair, not just waste your own capacitor while it's fully repaired already). I also think you should be given a warning before activating the modules that you're about to be aggressed to someone, and if they're currently active on a target and a player that you aren't aggressed to starts shooting your target, your modules should shut off automatically.
This "remote repping scam" isn't a scam because you're not tricking a naive player into doing something they shouldn't do; it's a bug because the only way to avoid it is to avoid repping players altogether. It's very similar to the lofty29 "scam". It needs to be fixed because: a.) it provides income without work to players who take advantage of it, and b.) the only way to avoid it is to avoid an entire field of gameplay
It is for these reasons I hope CCP can see that it is a major problem and needs to be fixed. --
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Reppyk
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:04:00 -
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Stop repping so-called "scammers" ?
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Tara Haklar
Minmatar Aetherline Group Genesis Invictus
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Posted - 2011.05.05 21:38:00 -
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Trade provides income to people that never leave a station, therefore the entire market system should be removed.
simple fix to OP problem, don't remote rep someone you don't know.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Tara Haklar Trade provides income to people that never leave a station, therefore the entire market system should be removed.
You still have to work by searching the market for good deals, and you have to compete with others for those good deals.
The lofty29 bug did not involve work because a player could believe they were in the complete safety of the system that is supposed to protect them from attack without being warned beforehand that their actions are dangerous. But the high security system is flawed because it does not always report this to the player. --
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: Reppyk Stop repping so-called "scammers" ?
If you stop repping, you still get aggro. That's why I think the reppers should stop automatically to prevent you from getting aggro. --
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:37:00 -
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That poster meant "don't rep people you don't know", not "stop after you start". Just don't do it, and problem solved. Anyone needing remote repair in a mission either really doesn't need it or will be dead long before you can respond to the request. So, if you arrive and find them there, it's a trap. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.05 22:41:00 -
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That's not the only way it can happen, far from it. I suppose you are suggesting I don't mission with anyone unless I have experience missioning with them? How am I to know someone isn't a pirate/scammer before I give them a chance to take advantage of me?
The point here is that the high security system does not follow its listed rules as stated by CCP. Therefore it's bugged and should be fixed. It is not fair to a player if they lose a big pimped out ship because they did something that CCP assured them was completely safe. This isn't about stupidity, naivety, or lack of knowledge of the game system. It's a bug. --
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Ming Tao
Caldari Diplomatic Disruption Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:03:00 -
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Its is working as intended so give it up. So some people found a way to use this "feature" to their advantage. Good on them, unless DEVs claim otherwise its legal.
As said before dont rep people you dont know/trust.
Then again you only have 11M SP you didnt know any better.
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Istyn
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2011.05.06 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim because they did something that CCP assured them was completely safe. This isn't about stupidity, naivety, or lack of knowledge of the game system. It's a bug.
CCP has never assured anyone of that.
High sec is not 100% safe by design.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.06 07:10:00 -
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And what if you rep someone you know and they double cross you? Or what if your friend forgot they were at war with someone, or figured it didn't matter to you, and you rep them, only to have a bunch of their enemies jump in and kill you both? Or what if they have an aggression timer from some combat they were in a few minutes ago, and don't tell you because they don't think it will hurt you?
But I don't have to try and reason with you guys if you aren't even going to make an attempt to think logically about this. If you take a look at this post from CCP: http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=855 Under Incursions, they say they are removing the bug that allows players to get CONCORD to shoot other players who remote rep them. CCP admits it is a loophole and is fixing it. This is pretty similar, so I'd be willing to bet, even on nothing else at all, that that post alone is strong evidence that CCP would figure what I mentioned is in fact a bug/exploit/loophole if they knew it was happening.
So stop jumping to the conclusion that I'm somehow butthurt over losing a cheap cruiser or that I'm too new to know anything about this stuff. I've been in EVE for 8 months now and I've been pretty familiar with all of the workings of the aggression system for 7 on them. Finding this out would be kind of like finding out that if you shoot a particular mission rat that your friend is shooting at, they can shoot you. Which isn't true, of course, but if it was I'm certain several of you would defend it as a working feature and that anyone who dislikes it is a noob and/or whiner. --
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seany1212
Capital Construction Research
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Posted - 2011.05.06 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim And what if you rep someone you know and they double cross you? Or what if your friend forgot they were at war with someone, or figured it didn't matter to you, and you rep them, only to have a bunch of their enemies jump in and kill you both? Or what if they have an aggression timer from some combat they were in a few minutes ago, and don't tell you because they don't think it will hurt you?
Welcome to eve... If you dont like it hello kitty online is that way ---> Linky
Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim Under Incursions, they say they are removing the bug that allows players to get CONCORD to shoot other players who remote rep them. CCP admits it is a loophole and is fixing it.
Thats because its concord NPCs, anyone who comes up against them nowadays gets obliterated in 3 shots regardless of what they're in, in terms of players its all fair game though, you cant rep someone whether they're in a mission or in battle with other players and not expected to be flagged to the other player, if you were shooting at an enemy and he warped in logistics but you werent allowed to shoot them i suppose you'd start crying about that too, cant win with n00bs these days You guys make squeeky noises when you pop, and that's enough motivation as far as I'm concerned. |
Reppyk
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Posted - 2011.05.06 07:47:00 -
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And what if you fly with someone you know from your corporation and they double cross you ? CCP must fix corporations. I could lost a pimp ship !
Do you shoot people in High Sec ? No, because you know it's dangerous, unless you checked all the odds. RR is the same thing.
If a random stranger is begging for RR AND is in hull, I gueeeeeeeess he has done something bad (or he's bad at PVE).
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Le Badass
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Posted - 2011.05.06 08:41:00 -
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Pretty awesome trolling there, OP. 8/10.
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.06 09:25:00 -
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Maybe this should have been posted in the "Suggestions" forum along with your ideas with how to solve the problem.
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Fire Starter55
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Posted - 2011.05.06 10:36:00 -
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Long gone are the days when noobs listen to there gaming elders, this isn't wow, your still a noob at 8 months. Come back when your a year old then you might graduate to the next rank in the food chain.
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Misunderstood Genius
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Posted - 2011.05.06 12:58:00 -
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Now you know how it works and you should be fine. It's called: learning by doing!
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
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Posted - 2011.05.06 14:03:00 -
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Meh, 5/10 troll.
You come off a bit innocent, complaining of a "bug" in remote repping, then transition to mentioning a very old scam by name.
If you're serious, take it to the suggestions forum. Otherwise, work on your consistency. |
Syndryna
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Posted - 2011.05.06 16:02:00 -
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Not a bug. Not an exploit
OP claims to understand Eve, but this is a false claim as well.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.07 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Reppyk And what if you fly with someone you know from your corporation and they double cross you ? CCP must fix corporations. I could lost a pimp ship !
Do you shoot people in High Sec ? No, because you know it's dangerous, unless you checked all the odds. RR is the same thing.
If a random stranger is begging for RR AND is in hull, I gueeeeeeeess he has done something bad (or he's bad at PVE).
Of course, and if I had been repairing someone who was in combat I would not have made this post. But I got flagged for repping someone who was not in combat. --
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Torrstar
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.05.08 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim That's not the only way it can happen, far from it. I suppose you are suggesting I don't mission with anyone unless I have experience missioning with them? How am I to know someone isn't a pirate/scammer before I give them a chance to take advantage of me?
Oh my, you are new to EVE aren't you? That's exactly what they are suggesting, you should never group up with random strangers you don't know when missioning, especially if you are flying a big pimped out ship.
Assume everyone you meet is a pirate/scammer and don't let anyone take advantage of you. Yes, I know, a dark way to view the universe but that's they way EVE is, treat all new persons as enemies until they prove differently to you.
If you chose to ignore this advice all I can say is thank goodness for insurance.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Legio Geminatus
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Posted - 2011.05.08 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim on 08/05/2011 01:02:53 Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim on 08/05/2011 01:02:26 But that's not the point! I got flagged for repping someone who was not in combat, and I was not warned that it would happen. I'm well aware EVE is player-driven, that's what I like about it. That's why I play this game. But the way highsec works, I'm supposed to get a notification if I'm about to do something that will allow someone else to shoot at me. I'm also supposed to be protected by CONCORD unless I violate the protection rights somehow. Repping someone is only a violation of protection toward that person's enemies, which is something I should be alerted to. And furthermore, it is only aiding them in the fight against their enemies if they are actually fighting said enemies. If they are not fighting said enemies, then I should not get flagged to said enemies for repping them.
But my real mistake was posting this in the Crime and Punishment forum. You people are about as sharp as a WoW forum wh ore. --
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2011.05.08 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim [But the way highsec works, I'm supposed to get a notification if I'm about to do something that will allow someone else to shoot at me.
Actually, that's wrong. You get a notification if you're about to do something that will get CONCORD to shoot at you. You get a notification if you're going to undock with an aggression timer, but that's it. Aggression timers last for 15 minutes. If you rep someone with an aggression timer, you also get an aggression timer. You didn't know this before, but now you do. That's how it works. There is a reason people say the learning curve of EVE is more like a sheer cliff with an overhang at the top; there's a lot of little tidbits like this. File this one away and learn from it. ______________________________________________________ PVP is a question that has no one right answer but a lot of wrong ones. - Aelana Anais
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Dracoliche
Damage Unlimited Inc AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2011.05.08 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Reaver Glitterstim But my real mistake was posting this in the Crime and Punishment forum. You people are about as sharp as a WoW forum *****.
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