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Dutarro
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.05.08 23:39:00 -
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My main is in a medium-sized, empire-based carebear corp with mostly new players. Since I joined this corp two weeks ago, there have been three different war decs by griefer corps. I can confidently call them that, because their corp descriptions come out and say 'we are griefers' .. 'we love to kill carebears' etc. etc.
We can deal with it, and yes I've read the standard threads about what to do and we are doing it. My only question is .. is this normal? Is about 1 random war dec per week the norm for empire corps nowadays?
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Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2011.05.08 23:57:00 -
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It's not unusual for it to happen every once in awhile. Now, if it happense EVERY two weeks then there's a problem.
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.05.09 00:15:00 -
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It is possible that someone has a grudge against you and that he is having multiple merc corps gunning for you. It can happen generally speaking, I've seen it around.
Best thing you could probably do is check if you made some enemies on the way.. But well, this is Eve, who hasn't? -
"We don't gank, we just apply force in a disproportionate manner during an uneven tactical combat situation to maximize revenue and increase shareholder value" |
Aydala
Minmatar Lonetrek Salvage and Scrap
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Posted - 2011.05.09 00:44:00 -
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are you complaining?
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Grumpymunky
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Posted - 2011.05.09 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Dutarro medium-sized, empire-based carebear corp with mostly new players
Found your problem.
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Pistrik
Minmatar Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.05.09 01:26:00 -
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Average griefer corp has the intelligence of a baby monkey sniffing it's own ****. That covers about 90% of them, so you should be fine.
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Grumpymunky
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Posted - 2011.05.09 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Pistrik Average ... 90%...
k
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Brannor McThife
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.09 03:44:00 -
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Edited by: Brannor McThife on 09/05/2011 03:44:56
Originally by: Grumpymunky
Originally by: Pistrik Average ... 90%...
k
Here's an explanation...
Do you even understand Average? Average is not Median. Average is Mean. Mean is, if you sort the sample from lowest to highest, the middle value by order is the Median.
The Average is not a set percentage of the sample. Thus, you can have 90% of a sample being exactly the Average, with 5% BELOW the Average, and 5% ABOVE the Average.
Comprende?
-G
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Grumpymunky
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Posted - 2011.05.09 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife Mean is, if you sort the sample from lowest to highest, the middle value by order is the Median.
really
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Dutarro
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.05.09 10:22:00 -
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Originally by: Aydala are you complaining?
Actually, not at all. The war decs have really pulled our corp together, and some members have even had fun fighting the war targets.
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Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.05.09 10:51:00 -
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Originally by: Pistrik Average griefer corp has the intelligence of a baby monkey sniffing it's own ****. That covers about 90% of them, so you should be fine.
Dont be discriminating us space monkeys!
/me stops to sniff his butt
we have rights to you know! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN! |
Candar Beldrulf
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.05.09 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dutarro
Originally by: Aydala are you complaining?
Actually, not at all. The war decs have really pulled our corp together, and some members have even had fun fighting the war targets.
It has put a large dent in our moneymaking activities though - having to constantly watch out for these griefer bastards in local makes mission running interesting at best. I nearly got caught by some bastard in a crow last night - lucky I was aligned for docking up.
Speaking for myself I don't mind the PVP aspect of it - what smarts a bit is that I, for example, am sitting on 5 mil sp with very little PVP experience, and our griefers are all on T2 or Faction ships with T2 equipment. So we're trying to stay crafty, but it would be nice to be able to hurt these bastards by taking down one or two of their omnomnom delicious ships. The couple of times we've tried to organise we've suffered...
but yeah. I guess it comes with the territory :P Griefers will grief. At least we're not dumb, sitting ducks any more.
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Azelor Delaria
Caldari Unfortunate Soldiers
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Posted - 2011.05.09 11:45:00 -
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While many consider high-sec PvP to be a laughingstock and smirk at those of us who engage in it, many of us enjoy it more than the random roams required to get a fight in null-sec and low-sec space. With that being said, when it comes to griefers who enjoy hunting carebears, they are the worst PvPers in the game.
Griefers, by definition, prey on the ones who don't want to fight back. They go after missioners and miners, looking for easy ganks to pad killboards. In many instances, if you can come with a fleet that rivals them, fit to fight, you'll find they quickly dock up and smack in local.
If you want to effectively deal with these corporations, here's some ideas.
1.) Move away from your normal missioning hub. If you take a missioning ship 20 jumps out to a new missioning hub, this can cause your enemies to ignore you. One of the things I hated when war deccing corporations (admittedl, we didn't war dec too many noob/missioning corps) was when they did this. It forces them to move all their stuff, and/or go on daily roams. And if they go on the roams, by docking up when they enter local they will become agitated.
2.) Don't talk in local. In many instances, if you're able to dock up they will insult you in local, calling you out. Don't respond. By responding you are giving them something they want, and if you pay attention to it it will just keep going, which will only serve to annoy you, **** you off, and goad you into doing something stupid. Eventually, they will leave.
3.) Find a competent mercenary group to dec them. In many instances a small mercenary corporation/alliance will work to handle the griefers for you. Just be aware that in order to get the help you want, you'll need to do some of your own intelligence work. The more information you can bring to the mercenaries, the more likely they are to take up the contract. For a shameless plug, [b]Unfortunate Soldiers[/i] has a history of deccing griefers and handing them their asses. Though I am not a diplo for our corporation or alliance, I have enough respect that if you come to me, I will tell you what I need and then get your war targets declared.
I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me with any questions. :) ***** ***** ***** *****
"No OPLAN ever survives first contact with the enemy." |
Skippermonkey
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.05.09 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Azelor Delaria With that being said, when it comes to griefers who enjoy hunting carebears, they are the worst PvPers in the game.
Confirming that we are infact the worse PVP'ers - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - OLD FORUM I ♥ YOU, NEVER LEAVE ME AGAIN! |
Deen Wispa
Gallente Roughneck Regulators
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Posted - 2011.05.09 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Grumpymunky
Originally by: Dutarro medium-sized, empire-based carebear corp with mostly new players
Found your problem.
And this is why you shouldn't join newbie corps [thread] -----------------
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Dutarro
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.05.09 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Deen Wispa
And this is why you shouldn't join newbie corps [thread]
I read the post you linked. You have a valid point, but our corp does not exactly fit that pattern. While we're mostly newbies, there are a few veterans as well, and so far morale is quite good in spite of the war decs. The CEO and others have done a good job explaining the risks of EVE and helping the newer members learn how to adapt their play style.
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Karloth Valois
1st. Pariah Malefactor corp.
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Posted - 2011.05.09 16:35:00 -
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as Dograzor said, your corp could have really annoyed someone and had a few merc corps hired to dec you. If your sure they are just greifer corps not mercs chances are your corp is doing something wrong.
1) your CEO or recruiter is spamming recruitment chat 23/7 saying they take anyone, alot of greifer corps will read recruitment to look for targets.
2) someone in your corp likes to run there mouth in local chat. If they are smack talking alot or crying in local when they get ninja'd or flipped, your going to attract war decs. They will either want to kill you again and again for smack talking or think they will get some great tears from you
plus worth mentioning greifer corps have friends too, if you did give them good kills or tears and made it worth their while they might tell there friends and they will dec you aswell.
might be worth having a look at your corp and seeing if they are doing anything wrong to attact war decs, then either bring it to their attetion or decide if thats the sort of corp you want to be in
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Orania Solette
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Posted - 2011.05.09 16:40:00 -
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My corp was wardecd by a corp 2 weeks ago prolly from using the recruitment channel, and even though they hardly even make any advances on us it slows our operations down, they seem to have no quams with the crapy 2million isk it costs each week to continue it. This is typical these corps call themselfs hardcore pvpers yet only target mining/indy corps. Aparently the more retrievers you have on your kill mails the tougher you look!
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Baaldor
Igneus Auctorita Gentlemen's Agreement
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Posted - 2011.05.09 18:28:00 -
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If a corp is "greifing" then you can submit a petition.
If said petition finds the corp in question to be with in the rules, then that is not griefing, and help you recognize what is "griefing" in "Excel Online" in the future.
Hope this helps.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2011.05.09 19:48:00 -
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Well I'm glad that my actions benefited your corp!
Do allow me to help you some more in the future, should your 'medium-sized, empire, carebear' corp require it.... -------------- Fix the game's last broken weapon system - support if you care!
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Jock Landers
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Posted - 2011.05.09 20:04:00 -
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Joining/forming a small alliance will discourage griefers since the wardec costs are huge compared to just wardeccing a single corporation.
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Fr3aKy Mc'Shots
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Posted - 2011.05.09 20:54:00 -
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im what you call a "old player in a new jacket".
and im loving this wars. pvp makes this game more interesting.
smack talk should be banned from local. cause its just small kids with monkey brains talking imo . no offence to the spacemonkey tho :-P
getting the newer players in our corp ready for pvp and giving them tips and tricks is also a nice way to bond more .
we have a nice corp. and good skilled players in it. given we have also some noobs. but they learn the hard way lol .
anyways. no complains from our side. and what Dut is asking are some valid points.
seeing 3 wardecs arrived at our doorstep all beeing connected to main chars, and alts in those corps just makes me laugh that grievers can go this low :-)
but fun is the main thing in this game. and we are having fun. and to be honest . we aint losing that much money on this so its fine
Fly safe all and peace out.
greetz Fr3aKy
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Shani Mangetsu
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Posted - 2011.05.10 08:52:00 -
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My strongest memories from hi sec while in a mining corp was the constant war decs against us.
And none of us were into pvp, it got pretty boring after a couple months, so we moved into WH instead, never been bothered after that. Corps keep war deccing us...but now they can't find us.
Smoothe sailing and huge profits |
Malcanis
Caldari Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 09:38:00 -
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Originally by: Brannor McThife Edited by: Brannor McThife on 09/05/2011 03:44:56
Originally by: Grumpymunky
Originally by: Pistrik Average ... 90%...
k
Here's an explanation...
Do you even understand Average? Average is not Median. Average is Mean. Mean is, if you sort the sample from lowest to highest, the middle value by order is the Median.
The Average is not a set percentage of the sample. Thus, you can have 90% of a sample being exactly the Average, with 5% BELOW the Average, and 5% ABOVE the Average.
Comprende?
-G
Mean, Modal and Median are all forms of average.
Comprende?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Maverick2011
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.10 10:45:00 -
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Originally by: Azelor Delaria While many consider high-sec PvP to be a laughingstock and smirk at those of us who engage in it, many of us enjoy it more than the random roams required to get a fight in null-sec and low-sec space. With that being said, when it comes to griefers who enjoy hunting carebears, they are the worst PvPers in the game.
Griefers, by definition, prey on the ones who don't want to fight back. They go after missioners and miners, looking for easy ganks to pad killboards. In many instances, if you can come with a fleet that rivals them, fit to fight, you'll find they quickly dock up and smack in local.
If you want to effectively deal with these corporations, here's some ideas.
1.) Move away from your normal missioning hub. If you take a missioning ship 20 jumps out to a new missioning hub, this can cause your enemies to ignore you. One of the things I hated when war deccing corporations (admittedl, we didn't war dec too many noob/missioning corps) was when they did this. It forces them to move all their stuff, and/or go on daily roams. And if they go on the roams, by docking up when they enter local they will become agitated.
2.) Don't talk in local. In many instances, if you're able to dock up they will insult you in local, calling you out. Don't respond. By responding you are giving them something they want, and if you pay attention to it it will just keep going, which will only serve to annoy you, **** you off, and goad you into doing something stupid. Eventually, they will leave.
3.) Find a competent mercenary group to dec them. In many instances a small mercenary corporation/alliance will work to handle the griefers for you. Just be aware that in order to get the help you want, you'll need to do some of your own intelligence work. The more information you can bring to the mercenaries, the more likely they are to take up the contract. For a shameless plug, [b]Unfortunate Soldiers[/i] has a history of deccing griefers and handing them their asses. Though I am not a diplo for our corporation or alliance, I have enough respect that if you come to me, I will tell you what I need and then get your war targets declared.
I hope this helps. Feel free to contact me with any questions. :)
Translation: I enjoy being a chicken pvper in a PVP oriented game.
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Kalen Vox
Veyr The Veyr Collective
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Posted - 2011.05.10 12:52:00 -
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It's pretty normal to be decced regularly by griefer corps, especially if your pilots aren't able to fight back that effectively, have low skills or little experience.
People don't need a reason to wardec, and in 90% of cases it's just because they want to. So, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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Dutarro
Matari Munitions
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Posted - 2011.05.10 16:26:00 -
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Thanks for all the responses, even the angry ones!
It seems multiple war decs are normal for a high sec corp, so we are taking the approach that war is just part of life in EVE, even in so-called "safe" space. Perhaps it can even make the game more interesting.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Azelor Delaria With that being said, when it comes to griefers who enjoy hunting carebears, they are the worst PvPers in the game.
As someone who was part of a "competent" high sec griefer corp, I can say that the activating modules and shooting stuff part of pvp was definitely not our strong point. In a "fair" fight vs competent pvpers we'd probably loose every time. However, we were all very good at stalking, hunting/chasing, espionage, social engineering, and generally intimidating the targets in such a way that the corp paid up or broke up.
Originally by: Azelor Delaria Griefers, by definition, prey on the ones who don't want to fight back. They go after missioners and miners, looking for easy ganks to pad killboards. In many instances, if you can come with a fleet that rivals them, fit to fight, you'll find they quickly dock up and smack in local.
For the dumb ones, this may be true. When my corp was active we couldn't care less about killboard stats for the most part (except for pointing to the isk destroyed numbers when ransoming a corp). A carebear corp attempting to fight back was awesome, as this usually meant a nice smattering of lolmails and them lynching their "pvp officer" for causing it.
Originally by: Azelor Delaria 1.) Move away from your normal missioning hub. If you take a missioning ship 20 jumps out to a new missioning hub, this can cause your enemies to ignore you. One of the things I hated when war deccing corporations (admittedl, we didn't war dec too many noob/missioning corps) was when they did this. It forces them to move all their stuff, and/or go on daily roams.
We actually loved it when they did this for several reasons: 1) We enjoyed hunting 2) They would be in unfamiliar space, giving us the advantage in knowledge of said space 3) Not being near the rest of their corp, they were more likely to be alone 4) They'd almost always let their guard down, thinking we wouldn't head out there 5) All of us had several stashes of pvp ships scattered around throughout empire space, so moving wasn't a huge deal at all.
Originally by: Azelor Delaria 2.) Don't talk in local.
Friendly banter is fine, especially if you try to use it to your advantage (e.g. shutting up for a bit to make them think you're afk). Just don't throw insults or say anything that might indicate anything about your feelings towards the wardec.
Originally by: Azelor Delaria 3.) Find a competent mercenary group to dec them. In many instances a small mercenary corporation/alliance will work to handle the griefers for you.
We got decced by repo once and continued to gank wartargets with minimal added hassle. While we were pretty impressed that the targets felt we were worthy of repo's attention, the targets would have been better off using the isk they paied the mercs to pay us to go away instead.
- - - Dian'h Might - C&Ps resident "internet kleptomaniac" |
Malema
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:23:00 -
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Sadly this is the current state of the game at the moment.
Good luck , and hope you make it through the war unscathed.
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democrities
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Posted - 2011.05.10 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Shani Mangetsu
Corps keep war deccing us...but now they can't find us.
Smoothe sailing and huge profits
You know who else thought they couldn't be found? Osama Bin Laden.
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