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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:27:00 -
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Originally by: Kalissa All these tears over jump bridges. I've been playing Eve since '03 long before JB's were in the game and most of the people here are all moaning and groaning about the the fact you'll actually have to do some gate travel and actually *shock* TAKE A RISK!!
Stop crying like little girls, take it on the chin. Null sec is supposed to be risky thats the whole point.
And yes I do use JB's and it WILL make my life harder, but I fully support the changes.
ofcoz u do... nice timing too
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:33:00 -
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Its all about the isk-sink's?
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:37:00 -
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The make these changes that makes radical game changes for alot of ppl.. Yet are afraid to touch the t2 bpo's (or make them available thru npc)
I dont trust you guys anymore.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:44:00 -
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You guys planning on turning the CSM into pvp to define the borders of the sandbox?
Just wondering.. interesting concept.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:01:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 10/05/2011 23:02:19
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: CCP Soundwave No disagreement. Better resource distribution, more pvp goals etc.
Does this mean that you might take a look at current moon goo locations and/or T2 production pipelines?
-Liang
Yes, those are most definately prime candidates. Things like trit and datacore supplies, production slots etc.
Why are the jumpbridges a priority.. and being implemented on such short notice?
when so many things are long over due.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:08:00 -
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Larger changes?! lol this will change the face of 0.0 and be very good for some and very bad for others.. not on a person by person basis.
The game has to change but how can you call this a small change..
id love an example of a big change..?
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 10/05/2011 23:23:40 ccp get your priorities straight.. 0.0 has been nerfed to hell in regards to value for the avg pve/pvp player..
how about you make it worthwhile.. and then make it "harder" I support changes if you promise me to release something that isnt useless or a nerf.. last thing i remember was the rig changes.. that was awesome..
and get rid of t2 bpo or make them hard to get but available thru npc's again lol.. funny how you guys will rather screw over a big bunch of ppl then a few really whiny ones..
Just an example.. get you priorities straight and for once make something that add's to the game in a meaningful way for the players. And stop calling nerf's with isk sinks and a little glitter for expansions.
and dont call it a sendbox when you toss things around like this on such short notice.. its hardly a player driven game.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:29:00 -
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Originally by: Rainus Max I have no objection to the change if its part of a larger plan that everything slots together however its just another 'lets have another prod at the 0.0 souffle' we'll if you keep prodding the whole bloody thing with crash around you.
DONT implement this as a stand alone alteration, there is simply NO reason to do it other than to **** off sov holding alliances.
nice timing too..
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:50:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 10/05/2011 23:51:25 Edited by: Feyleaf on 10/05/2011 23:50:30
Originally by: Giselle Garner Eve Online is not a sandbox. It's a huge ocean. There's always a larger fish than you :)
I want those fish to other players. Not bots or ccp. Radical changes like this in 7 days notice ruins the entire idea of ocean/sandbox whatever. Removes a large part of what hapnz in the eve universe from the hands of the players.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:59:00 -
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Originally by: Smoking Blunts
Originally by: Svennig
Originally by: WisdomPanda
Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
not empty quoting
this
this^
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Enthral
There is nothing wrong with jump bridges. You're just upset we're not playing the game the way you want us to.
This ^^
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 06:20:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 06:21:34 7 days!!! are you guys all on coke or something?.. most of our logistics team is not.
No point in only 7 days notice unless theres an alternative agenda. you guys have a bad history of dev's with alternative agendas so im not just talking out of my ass.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 10:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave Edited by: CCP Soundwave on 11/05/2011 10:05:08
Originally by: Flesh Slurper
Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Lev Aeris
Good morning Soundwave. Do you have any thoughts or comments on the posts regarding super capital force projection? I know wasn't part of your Dev blog but I think there are a few well stated posts in here demonstrating why Super Carrier proliferation is the biggest problem in null sec right now.
We're not really looking at that currently. My own personal thoughts about supercaps is that it's a shame there are all these meta-requirements in many alliances. Streamlining the ability to travel, so anyone in a supercap can join a fleet instead of "join fleet if you have a carrier and x number of skills at x level" would probably be a good way to encourage interaction. But yeah, not touching that just now.
This proves how fail CCP is at understanding their game and properly balancing it. Nerfing subcap movement while allowing supercaps massive projection and minimal downside. The subcaps were already at a disadvantage and now are much worse off.
Not at all talking about nerfing/allowing more projection, I'm talking about dealing with the situation that someone owns a carrier but can't participate in a cap fleet because of x skill requirements.
But a bunch of ppl here are.. skill req for being able to join alliance cap fleets is really not a dev's biz? ^^ Im still looking for meaningful ansver to why the extreme short warning on something that should clearly not be a priority for the devs, and is not really an urgent problem.. well now it has become for a bunch of ppl with real lives.. a month would be more sensible imo but my oppinion doesnt matter.. I like to hear yours.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Podcat
Originally by: CCP Soundwave I hope we have kittens in incarna!
TAKE MY MONEY. TAKE ALL OF IT.
also the JB changes are a great idea, although I would have preferred a complete removal. Should make it a bit harder to move stuff around in complete safety, and give some advantage to roamers where defenders cant encircle them quite as fast by bridging ahead.
There is supposed to be advantages to the massive effort put into maintaining infrastructure dude. else we might as well remove sov all together, trust me when i say you guys will have alot fewer ppl to shoot at when all the casual allround players who dont like concord leave the game.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vaju Katru Everyone just think for a second, is common knowledge that nullsec is safer then highsec, this is huge problem. Nullsec, Null Security, No Existent Security, Void Security, Zero Security, Nada Security, Rien Security whatever you call it, the only security that should exist in these areas should be provided by players, not by game mechanics, and last time I checked, jump gates are not players.
Also another big problem with jump gates, they make the universe a small place, being in the far outer regions should have a meaning, instant travelling shouldnĘt be possible. It should always be a difficult task to travel in/out o nullsec, with the distance involved and the dangerous around it, players should have to plan convoys for logistics; fleet travelling would be fun and challenging again.
for players to create their empire with security or whatever dummy
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Davader
Originally by: hankey I have been building JB network in drone regions in previous years. It's fully looped and effective! Travel time is about 10 minutes from one Drone Region border to another.
You can get your honourable medal for JBs construction then.
Originally by: hankey
1. We will have to DOUBLE PAYMENTS TO CONCORD FOR JB UPGRADE
Yeap man, less isks will go for RMT and more will go off the system via CONCORD sov. paymends.
Originally by: hankey
2. EVERY SECOND POS should be reinstalled
It's a hard life, man. Nobody makes you to do that - it's your choise to waste 8 hours on POS setting.
Originally by: hankey
3. Currently JBs are placed on adjacent moons which makes warp between them less than a minute. With additional jump over gate it'll take up to 6 minutes to simply travel from one bridge to another (on big ship like freighter)
Yeah! Imagine what would be if you fly on a freighter without those JBs - 20 jumps by common star gates, LOL. Ha-ha!
Originally by: hankey
4. Imagine picture, enemy blockade runner runs across our JB network and places LARGE T2 MOBILE WARP DISRUPTOR on every gate. It'll allow one small person to totally RUIN game for the lots of people who travel unarmed/untanked/slow etc...
F**K, YEAH!!! Carebears must die in agony
Originally by: hankey
5. Logistics people gonna suicide anyways.
Why not?
In total: I love your butthurt so much That brings me to perfect mood, thanks to CCP!
you wouldnt be playing if eve had no carebears ;)
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:23:00 -
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Originally by: bitters much NC`s CSM team painted a line in the sand and CCP crossed it, now NC`s CSM team has a sandy vagina.
0.0 on easy mode will be gone in a few days, deal with it ( and lose some freighters over it ).
I think most ppl are ****ed over the timeframe dude.. short to no notice on pretty big game changing nerfs and super early notice about wonderful things to come.
ccp is limiting player influence by throwing aroung changes to 0.0 power balance to "rock the boat" or whatever.. if im gonna loose i will rather loose to other players.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Ravelin Eb This is one of better changes for PL this game will see.
fixed
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 11:53:49 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 11:52:22 stuff like this needs longer warning.. else you are just screwing with the players for kick's.. no reason for this given yet.
Im not sure i like the changes.. im sure i dont like ccp's idea of shuffling **** around to "keep it fresh" or whatever. makes long term goals kinda lame.. Its one of the things i came to eve to get away from. Stop trying to control human behavior and let us play in an actual player driven sandbox.
ps.. omfg supercap nerf instead of stealtbuff?
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Alissa Solette
Originally by: Feyleaf ccp is limiting player influence by throwing aroung changes to 0.0 power balance to "rock the boat" or whatever.. if im gonna loose i will rather loose to other players.
It's "lose"... unless you're talking about loose pants or loose change.
Also: game changes are normal in EVE. The game changed massively since I've started. Back then there were no capitals (later they were introduced but were way to expensive for most people), no JBs, no JFs etc. and we survived (and likely became less dismal, timid and self-centred players because of it). Back then you actually needed to work together to get anything done. Now you just have your logistic slaves that (for whatever reason) build up your JB network for you and maintain it so you can fly around in near perfect safety.
Why anyone would expect or even demand that the "average Jack" should be safe while slow-boating through 0.0 is a mystery to me... 0.0 is NOT about being safe and maximizing your botting output... it's about fighting each other. If players make use of game mechanics to prevent that integral part of the game then those game mechanics need to be changed (exactly like was done with the speed nerf - people found out that they can remain very safe while PVPing due to speed so speed was nerfed).
we do like ppl to rat and mine in 0.0? else you guys would get bored and you need the killboard padding for 1337. since you probably never met an actual logistic's guy.. we have alot of members among them are some who enjoy that kinda ****.
Lets just remove anything that hasnt got to do with roaming.. there would be small gangs of elite pvp'ers running from eachother all over the place :D
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 12:26:15
Originally by: Gilat Sumat
Originally by: Walextheone
Originally by: Svennig Edited by: Svennig on 11/05/2011 12:07:11 Edited by: Svennig on 11/05/2011 12:04:37
Originally by: Walextheone My god every dude in lowsec or w-space have to watch their surrounding all the time, keeping you on edge.
You lazy *****ing nullsecers who complain so much, you really want 0.0 to be "safe" all the time? Organize convoys, scout or be creative.
As it seems now you want: ISK at no risk and safe travels. Sounds more like highsec is your game then
Yeah but the point is 0.0 was supposed to offer these benefits. It's the ****ing point of 0.0. We pay for them, we fight for them, we expend significant manpower maintaining them, and they're being taken away, or made less effective. If sleepers were suddenly removed from the game, would your really be ****ing sitting here going "Silly WH space dwellers, people in null, low and highsec have to live without sleepers, stop *****ing"? Are you that ******ed? It's the ****ing point of that ****ing type of space.
Dude they have not taken away the jumpbridges or the anoms, your comparison is worthless. Every alliance and corp will have to adapt to this that live in nullsec and everyone will have a bit more risk that uses bridges.
Says the guy with no space....
this^ +its stealt-buff to supercaps.. no wonder drf and PL are extatic especially coz its also a major tactical help they just got from ccp in major ungoing conflict.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 12:32:42
Originally by: Walextheone
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Gilat Sumat
Says the guy with several wormhole systems....
Me too is lazy^
Species that don't know how to adapt goes extinct. Seriously though, I understand that this is more of a hassle but can't you change your ways too?
gonna make casual allround players leave game instead if recent trend with suprise **** continues. Less pve players in 0.0 will get the Team-deathmatch crowd bored.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:35:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 12:35:55
Originally by: Yeep
Originally by: Walextheone
Species that don't know how to adapt goes extinct.
Wasn't that Band of Brothers corp Evolution's catchphrase? Or was it Lotka Volterra's? Both entities that were super keen on other people adapting but not so good at it themselves.
I heard they used to cheat alot.. some say they were never actually good but only were strong coz of inside info about coming changes and game mechanic exploits and handout from dev's who played in that alliance? anyway.. who cares.. there is no bob.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Andski I love it when pubbies and mongoloid ~elite PvP~ types complain about our jump bridges out in 0.0.
Whatever, if it's going to make this game suck any more than it already does, I'll just unsub.
yeah hehe.. summertime \O/
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Walextheone My god every dude in lowsec or w-space have to watch their surrounding all the time, keeping you on edge.
You lazy *****ing nullsecers who complain so much, you really want 0.0 to be "safe" all the time? Organize convoys, scout or be creative.
As it seems now you want: ISK at no risk and safe travels. Sounds more like highsec is your game then
Exactly my thoughts.
some ppl are smart enuff to have good intel channels, maintain infrastructure.. and nice enuff to have many friends, everyone in 0.0 has an eye on local and intel.. whats your point? the real problem is these suprise nerf's that upset power balance, mind you its not players doing this, its artificial aka not sandbox. Earlier announcements or diaf.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Don Pellegrino Yes, this will make gatecamps more frequent, but it gives a way to small gang pvpers to force 0.0 residents to form up (by bubbling a chokepoint) and go fight them instead of ignoring them like they do right now.
It's not *right* that 0.0 residents can simply ignore intruders.
did your parents ignore you much.. must be hard being ignored like that, get more friends then destroy enemy infrastructure.. whats the problem.. you know diplomacy is also a big part of eve.. alot bigger then say.. spies =)
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 13:09:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 13:12:25 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 13:10:37
Originally by: fattrader II
Originally by: Feyleaf Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 13:00:38
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Yes, this will make gatecamps more frequent, but it gives a way to small gang pvpers to force 0.0 residents to form up (by bubbling a chokepoint) and go fight them instead of ignoring them like they do right now.
It's not *right* that 0.0 residents can simply ignore intruders.
did your parents ignore you much.. must be hard being ignored like that, get more friends then destroy enemy infrastructure.. whats the problem.. you know diplomacy is also a big part of eve.. alot bigger then say.. spies =)
you could also roam more in places that more suited to your fleet capabilities?
what would really help smallgang pvp in eve is more npc 0.0
alternatively, you can cry on the forums on a nameless alt about how moving your raven is going to be so much harder now
actually not an alt hehe well kinda.. nameless not rofl, and i own a carrier(wow) so dont really care that much personally(yes i rat in it while being aligned and watching intel and local and no ur not gonna catch me unless my house is on fire. But recent suprise "rock the boat" nerfs are kinda lame.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 13:18:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 13:23:07 my prob is the 7 days
when they take ages to implement things that are not a nerf and advertise it years in advance.
The changes themselves might be fun.. glad i have a ship with jumpdrives tho.
Smallgang is a valid tactic.. probably not soo much for you guys in a well organized alliance's core systems.. i see nothing wrong with that.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 13:30:12
Originally by: Darod Zyree I for one welcome back nullsec space that looks somewhat like 2005/06/07 nullsec space :D Should have completely removed jump brigdes.
There were alliances with 1000s of members before jump bridges living in nullsec. Compared to all the ōOMG MY GAMEPLY IS RUINED NOWö whinys on the forums here, the guys of past nullsec alliances were pr0.
If all the non-pro eve players left 0.0 then the pro's wouldnt look so pro.. would only have eachother to fight and probably quit in shame coz of killboard without "padding"
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Yes, this will make gatecamps more frequent, but it gives a way to small gang pvpers to force 0.0 residents to form up (by bubbling a chokepoint) and go fight them instead of ignoring them like they do right now.
It's not *right* that 0.0 residents can simply ignore intruders.
Why would residents form up? The campers will just run away like they always do, no fight whatsoever. Hell if they even see each other it would be a goddamn miracle. No one invades 0.0 to fight, they invade 0.0 to pad their kb so they can brag about being elite pvp.
Even with almost similar numbers(cmon you guys are elite?) we almost always fowmup and hostiles leave or hide. Most 0.0 roamers dont want actual fights much.. looks bad on killboard stats.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 13:41:18
Originally by: Ghurthe
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Cellistara
Originally by: Don Pellegrino Yes, this will make gatecamps more frequent, but it gives a way to small gang pvpers to force 0.0 residents to form up (by bubbling a chokepoint) and go fight them instead of ignoring them like they do right now.
It's not *right* that 0.0 residents can simply ignore intruders.
Why would residents form up? The campers will just run away like they always do, no fight whatsoever. Hell if they even see each other it would be a goddamn miracle. No one invades 0.0 to fight, they invade 0.0 to pad their kb so they can brag about being elite pvp.
Even with almost similar numbers(cmon you guys are elite?) we almost always fowmup and hostiles leave or hide. Most 0.0 roamers dont want actual fights much.. looks bad on killboard stats.
Well yes, why take losses when you get people more upset by denying them a fight?
Exactly its about grief more then pvp for a large part of "pvp'ers" while im not against griefing in eve the patch will not provide anymore actual smallgang-pvp only ganks primarily of newbieships.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Megy Feel Heh look at you... YES YOU! grown men whining and crying like 4 year olds
you are pathetic...
If you starve a troll it turns into a cute little hobgoblin.. true story :D
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rumpelstilski
Originally by: Philip Jones Be nice if CCP changes JB POS so reds can't enter them even with a password while they are making these changes.
Pretty screwed up that reds can avoid PVP by going inside them to escape.
Of course it will never happen, as all the best devs who understand and actually played EvE have left.
This really wont change the amount of consenual PVP, the players who want to pew will still pew and those who don't will still avoid it by using scouts and cloaks as.
The only issue is timing of this tbh.
If only it were possible to restrict access only to a trusted group of worthy pilots....
Oh wai-
Game mechanics are fine, it's you that's terrible
back under the bridge with you!.. and nerf supercaps \o/
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Megy Feel
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Megy Feel Heh look at you... YES YOU! grown men whining and crying like 4 year olds
you are pathetic...
If you starve a troll it turns into a cute little hobgoblin.. true story :D
I too write the same line over and over again in every page i can... I liked your other alt better. Also try harder cute lil bunny
pretty much my standard reply to boring trolls, some trolls are amusing :D
Your previous post looks more like an il-adjusted teenager then a 4yo.. so i guess ur 1 up on me hehe
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Megy Feel
Quote: pretty much my standard reply to boring trolls, some trolls are amusing :D
Your previous post looks more like an il-adjusted teenager then a 4yo.. so i guess ur 1 up on me hehe
There is no need for me to troll you, you just troll yourself with your pathetic moaning and tears. Good to hear i'm amusing the scrubs...
Whatever dude.. just keep believing in urself :D
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 17:59:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 18:02:50 To be fair. PL is a very narrow one sided alliance.
Very few ppl here seem to have an oppinion or care whats good for the game.. only whats good for their own current playstyle. I guesss thats natural.
Sad to see delusional devs like soundwave trying to ruin their own game. and im not just talking about his 7day(omfg) change.
The only thing i can think of is: 1 account = 1 vote.. cancel alt+state reason, only vote you have.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 20:46:00 -
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I already cancelled an alt i was training up for fun =) 1 cancelled alt account = 1 vote.
Its not because of the jumpbridge changes as such, but the 7day(lol) warning of this major 0.0 change, that its in the middle of a large conflict and basically helps one side and screws the other.. thats not sandbox. my problem is ccp now making sudden changes with basically no warning (tho its a safe bet that some ppl know in advance) to "rock the boat" or "keep it fresh" .. no more long term projects in 0.0 anymore.. not worth it.. ccp will just **** it up in a patch if you are too succesfull..
Still havent got any usefull ansfer from Soundwave to most of questions asked here, just bull**** and vague hints of... whatever.
Im not gonna blabber much about ccp being biased coz you destroyed their cheaty pet alliance BoB/IT, taking bribes from rmt's.. I think ppl who have played eve for a bit knows that ccp is not beyond stuff like this.. last time they only really cared about damage control, and hurting the whistleblowers.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 20:53:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 20:55:44
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Miso Hawnee So clearly CCP are the biggest greifers.
Why do you pay $14.99 a month to be terrorized?
Devs have stated before that they want you to feel stress an misery when logging into eve. Why pay for something I can get for free everyday in rush hour traffic? Entertainment failure at the highest level.
Battlefield 3 this fall. Epic fights without lag, dev corruption or ham fisted game design. It might not have a pretty barbie creator but it should have balanced game play.
Also, your money won't be going to cosplay vampire ***s. That fact alone is enough to stop feeding C C P.
How many of you are still in null-sec because of the game play?
How many of you are still around because you don't want to abandon you E-buddies to this hopeless creation called Eve?
Get an out of game forum and take you e-buddies to a pasture that doesn't lower your sperm count.
Crowd Control Productions. Don't be their cattle.
EvE Online is not the game for casual allround players, what you don't enjoy in this game, is what I enjoy, and thats all this is ever about.
fixed? æ^
we dont really need all these miners and pve players in our deathmatch arena?
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 20:59:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 20:59:44
Originally by: Major Stallion
Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Originally by: CCP Soundwave The CSM have gotten the first peek at a highlevel direction for 0.0, and they seemed pleased.
To clarify, CSM has been presented with some high-level "principles, rules and guidelines" that any nullsec iteration should adhere to, and they seem reasonable -- in fact, I would encourage CCP to publish them in a devblog ASAP for discussion.
However, this presentation does not include any details -- even on the most global level -- on how these guidelines will actually be achieved. We look forward to seeing those, because as we all know, the is in the details.
reposting this for the people who are crying that CCP didnt run this by CSM :D
CSM was a publicity stunt.. always was always will be.. nothing more.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.11 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lt banaan Its funny that in every topic about 0.0 its all NC haters vs DRF mabo jambo.
0.0 sucks and its just getting whorse and whorse with all the ccp tweaking. People posting of the nc and dc hating this might think again when the roles are reversed and when you are under siege and seeing 0.0 get nerfed more and more.
Luckily cluster**** entities dont mind moving to a new place when ccp screws the current place we live over. many of us are doing lvl4 pirate missions again.. until ccp finds out that we do them and nerf that too. Seems we are just to friendly to each other to be allowed in 0.0? after all you cant be friends in eve.. its against the entire idea of eve? you have to atleast **** you friends over for profit if not for lolz sometimes. This being friends just becoz we are friends seem to be destroying ccp's vision for eve?
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Posted - 2011.05.11 21:19:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:20:14
Originally by: Miso Hawnee
Originally by: Bryan Havoc Edited by: Bryan Havoc on 11/05/2011 21:13:04
Originally by: Feyleaf Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:09:46
Luckily cluster**** entities dont mind moving to a new place when ccp screws the current place we live over. many of us are doing lvl4 pirate missions again.. until ccp finds out that we do them and nerf that too. Seems we are just to friendly to each other to be allowed in 0.0? after all you cant be friends in eve.. its against the entire idea of eve? you have to atleast **** you friends over for profit if not for lolz sometimes. This being friends just becoz we are friends seem to be destroying ccp's vision for eve?
I do enjoy all the whine from the crowd with too short attention span's for sov logistics.. and thus dont reap the rewards. =) I feel sad that 0.0 is gonna be as empty as it used to be soon.
Whines like this are why I play eve.
Is you real life so miserable and desolate that you have to feed on others misfortune to feel complete? You sir are a sad little man.
my thoughts exactly, i dont usually bother with "simple" trolls but my thoughts exactly
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Posted - 2011.05.11 21:40:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:44:49 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:43:36 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:42:34
Originally by: Kalissa All these tears do indeed make my day, all the crying about having to take risks and how smaller alliances will be hit when actually since smaller alliances own less space and have less JB's they will be hit less. Life out in 0.0 is supposed to be risky, for too long people have had it too easy.
Yes there will be gatecamps, so bloody well deal with it thats what PVP is about and in the end PVP is what makes EVE tick without that everything falls apart for everyone.
I personally will be hit by this moving around won't be as convenient or risk free as it is now but as I've said in a previous post this idea is well overdue, good on you CCP!
(And looking back at previous posts it does seem like most of the bleating is coming from the NC doesn't it? That gives me a nice warm feeling inside )
I can understand that you are happy.. with ccp's help you might actually have a slightly better chance in the ungoing conflict =) how many rubles does a dev cost? Sad to see one of my favorite games get perverted like this.. but it is just a game and its summer outside That gives me a warm feeling inside <3
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Posted - 2011.05.11 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:49:46
Originally by: Alexander Knott
Originally by: lett erika Hellllll no! As there are players that still exzist just to kill others just for an easy kill. and others that take on defencless targets like the frieghters and rorqualls.
Linkage
Im all for ganking soft targets.. i might even come to like the jb changes.. I dont like ccp make sudden shuffles to 0.0 landscape just to "shake things up" or whatever. Takes the control of 0.0 out of player hands, thats bad.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 21:58:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:03:03 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13 A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun. but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?.. Unless hes roleplaying his persona on the forum i have no doubt who has the healthier outlook on life.:D
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Posted - 2011.05.11 22:05:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:14:59 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:09:06 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:08:40
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Feyleaf Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13 A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun. but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..
Just to be perfectly clear, I wasn't simply refering to that last comment, but rather the entire series of rants the two of you have made throughout the course of this thread.
yep.. you should comment on the rants that conflict with your own view... I dont use too much energy on agreeing with people.. unless I do. and im still waiting for ansfer for the questions asked by all kinds of different ppl in here.. sofar some beating around the bush and then some silence is what we got Most important question is.. why the rush. cant say im against these actual changes.. except for it baing part of a bad trend lately.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:23:14 Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:20:37
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Feyleaf Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13 A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun. but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..
You shouldn't post in this forums then. You are the standard carebear troll, always trolling when something changes ingame that messes with "carebearinness". You bring nothing new to the discussion, you are selfish and you don't see the big picture of the EvE Universe.
Basically you are just providing tears and treats of quitting EvE, just quit already or stop posting BS.
And you are basically a standard anti-"carebear"(whatever) troll.. whats ur point. you do know your game would suck if all the 0.0 "carebears" left right?
Nah not gonna cancel all my eve accounts yet.. im an optimist at heart.
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Posted - 2011.05.11 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:25:51
Originally by: TradingTooth
Originally by: Feyleaf Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 22:20:37
Originally by: Vaju Katru
Originally by: Feyleaf Edited by: Feyleaf on 11/05/2011 21:59:13 A single line comment like that is fine but not worthy of respect, go enjoy your griefing persona in-game its fun fun. but its basically the standard troll for any such discussion in here atleast come up with something new?..
You shouldn't post in this forums then. You are the standard carebear troll, always trolling when something changes ingame that messes with "carebearinness". You bring nothing new to the discussion, you are selfish and you don't see the big picture of the EvE Universe.
Basically you are just providing tears and treats of quitting EvE, just quit already or stop posting BS.
And you are basically a standard anti-"carebear"(whatever) troll.. whats ur point.
You're both trolls trolling about trolling?
lol maybe its something to do while being blueballed by ruskies+pets
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 00:09:01
Originally by: Minigin quote this if you think these changes are too moderate.
these changes really dont change as much as needs to be changed. the fact that there are people crying so hard about these changes when really they should be far more severe is making me lol.
Oppinions are like *******s.. everybody has one
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ohh Yeah No listening to the NC
No not believing in yourself
CCP, YOU ARE BROS.
Timing is even perfect
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Arthello
Originally by: The Suit Prime REALLY?? Ok CCP SOUNDWAVE, DO YOU EVEN PLAY THIS GAME?? It is becoming very apparent, you do not know your customers at all. Were you hired just to be a pain in all the players ***es? Look for a new job, because you do not know how to listen to your customers.
BTW have you seen what has happened to Blizzard just recently? They announced a 5% loss in WoW players mostly due to crappy changes to WoW and stale content. I'm pretty sure Fanfest requests to get help from current players to recruit new players is pretty much not on our "to do" list. I'm going to say that your going to need a serious intervention when SWTOR releases. Player issued nerf bat incoming CCP, be prepared for the fallout is all I have to say.
Hilmar, are you reading these player comments? seriously?
LOL. They're not being a pain in all the players ***. Quite the contrary. It's CCP listening to their players that gave us this much needed JB nerf. I think Soundwave is doing a totally excellent job. This is exactly CCP's answer to your "stale content" and I'm loving it. Having JB up so carebears can roll around in nullsec without hitting gates is making EVE stale and carefree. EVE is what it is today by being brutal, annoying and hardcore but most of all different. Making EVE into a bad WoW or KOTOR clone would be the doom it. It's the hardcore playerbase that makes this game great. Not you iemoragequit because you nerfed me whiners. Instead of whining and crying NC should start to lay down plans on how to benefit from the new JB mechanics. Or at least lessen it's negative effects.
I find it funny how you NC/Goon people believe you have most of the playerbase on your side. You don't. It's just NC and Goons that are outraged. The rest is loving it so in that perspective it's a great change for the betterment of most. I'm just sad they didn't move the bridges altogether. Baby steps I guess. One step at a time. For the time being I'm happy. Now I'm gonna enjoy some more bitter tears.
Actually i think ur more like a very loud minority :)
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: captain foivos This entire thread is PL, DRF, and their pets vs. NC and Goons.
probably lol
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Posted - 2011.05.12 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 00:31:25
Originally by: Alexander Knott
Originally by: captain foivos This entire thread is PL, DRF, and their pets vs. NC and Goons.
You forgot the Goon pets. Looking at you TEST.
And proud \o/ goons are pretty funny to fly with. Goon friends best friends.. loyal friends = rare commodity.
Id rather be a goon pet then a drf pet. but thats a matter of taste i guess.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 01:03:42 nerf supers.. buff dreads..
less bottlenecks.. more npc 0.0
make valuable lowsec.
more wormholes between random systems
less resource sinks where money go to npc's(wtf) so we can use that isk for pvp instead..
buff invention in a big way.. to make t2 ships more affordable.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 20:02:00 -
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Originally by: Phigmeta
Originally by: davet517
Originally by: Bagehi
Because of the timing of these changes. They are nerfs to one thing after another that is being used to defend against an invasion by the DRF and PL. If CCP were to nerf scarriers or titans or T3 PVP abilities or titan bridges or drone mineral drops, no one would be surprised if DRF or PL started crying.
You have failed to grasp CCPs diabolical plan. By buffing your space and nerfing the Russian's space, they have suckered the ebil RMTers into attacking Mitten's space, causing him to bring his high-powered lawyers and licensed private investigators to bear. If everything goes according to plan, the RMTers will be crushed at little or no cost to CCP.
Ahh man ... you give far to much credit to CCP .... keep in mind these are the people who can't seem to fix the overview bug that plagues us all ... ya i saw yall shooting one of your own a bit back too ....
We do this coz we are bored sometimes.. and for fun.. 100ppl laughing well worth reimbursemnt of a bs stuff like that helps get more ppl in fleet.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Better Than You I run logistics for my corp. Yes we are a renter/pet but that is besides the point. Now thanks to bitter losers who got sand kicked in their face, CCP is totally obliterating the jump bridge network.
So as a logistics person, care to share what in the **** am I supposed to do to get supplies to my corp? We are not exactly three jumps from Jita or have a titan bridge available to us 23/7. Well? Thats what I ****ing thought. You just ruined us. Good job CCP. Those who hate the NC and friends were incompetent in removing us so they get the game developers to change it to do the work for them.
First the anomaly nerf and now this. What next? We have to line up in pods for our enemy to pad their kill boards? YOU KNOW THERE IS MORE TO THIS GAME THAN PVP YOU TWITS! MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE A LOOK AT IT INSTEAD OF BEING TOTAL ****WITS GOD DAMN IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I cant blame ppl for being a little mad, but the sun was shining all day so i find it hard to be mad I totally agree.. if i wanted a deathmatch arena i would have chosen a different game. I want a virtual world with conflict.. seems like ccp wants the virtual world thing to be secondary. may be fine wouldnt fit my playstyle.. maybe if the made it so resouces were more plentiful it would.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 20:54:00 -
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like we needed a cloaky harassment/Supercap stealt buff? Already had one major buff to afk-cloak "pvp".
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: QueenSpider \0/ changes yaay!
I believe these changes are good, they break down the max power an alliance has now wich gives newer groups a better chance on getting a piece of the action.
Having 2 powerblocks is just f'ing boring.. always the same people with differnt names in nullsec. Good that it will change :-)
It wont.. thats the thing.. they same ppl with titan bridges will still be best friends forever, ccp cant patch out human behavior. Only things gonna change that if they make all those people quit the game
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Posted - 2011.05.12 21:20:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 21:20:44
Originally by: Albus Thumbledore
Originally by: Sirus Prime This is getting quite drawn out. Here's the general synopsis for anyone just getting here: 1: Everyone who isn't NC is happy that they are destroying our infrastructure and our isk making abilities. 2: Everyone in the NC is ****ed that CCP is still after us for destroying BoB/IT (the ones they gave the supercap BPO's to, and yes, some of us actually know about that *gasp*)
But ya, that's pretty much what you've missed, oh and the constant back and forth ***ching from one side to the other.
BTW: F**K THIS BULLS***
3. The same nasty CCP that gave you all the Tech moons ? Stop whining.
Right.. ccp gave them the tech moons.(ironic)
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Posted - 2011.05.12 21:23:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 21:23:37
Originally by: Dray Edited by: Dray on 12/05/2011 21:20:57 Not enough tbh, should remove JB's totally from the game, if ASCN could build outposts and survive in Feythabolis there's no reason why others can't do the same now, ASCN used get a lot of stick for being massive carebears but listening to some of people in this thread makes me wonder if we did them a disservice.
All we need now is super caps nerfed to f**k and all will be good.
Theyre gonna make all the good targets quit the game, if they keep putting in isk/timesinks and hurting the newer non capitalship players.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 21:33:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 21:33:34
Originally by: Alexander Knott
Originally by: Feyleaf Right.. ccp gave them the tech moons.(ironic)
Guess he should've said "changed industry mechanics so that the Tech you already owned became incredibly valuable." Seems like his version was close enough though. There was tech, it was moderately valuable, then CCP made it omfg valuable in a single patch.
Does that make you feel bad inside? I think it did.. here have a cookie.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Imigo Montoya
Originally by: Ohh Yeah Or CCP wants to see 0.0 transition backwards to those days when survival revolved around clustered, SMALL groups of people working closely together. I hate to break it to you but I'm pretty sure CCP is sick of mega-NAP-train-happy-go-fun-land and wants to watch the universe burn. Really.
See, that's the problem right there.
When, as a game designer, you create a sandbox and push for emergent gameplay you release some control of your creation and put it in the hands of the players. It's what makes an emergent sandbox great. It's what makes EVE great.
When you start saying "We don't want people playing in the sandbox the way they want to, we want them playing the way way we want them to", you start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. With that simple statement you're making it a game designer driven game, not a player driven game.
So funnily enough, for all those people supporting the JB nerf and saying "Harden up. If you don't like it, gb2WoW", this change is fundamentally making EVE more like WoW - a game where the game designers, not the players, decide what kind of experience you should have.
this is what i fear.. why im here.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 22:31:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 22:31:46
Originally by: Di Mulle
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 12/05/2011 22:13:27 A funny thought just struck me. The people here complaining about this were the same people (or at least of the same ilk) cheering when the Nanonerf was announced.
The shoe is firmly on the other foot now.
What about people who rather welcome both of those, btw
Nanonerf awesome.. this might be too. Nerfing/changing things on short notice to induce more conflict is not.
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 22:40:00 -
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Originally by: Di Mulle
Originally by: Imigo Montoya
See, that's the problem right there.
When, as a game designer, you create a sandbox and push for emergent gameplay you release some control of your creation and put it in the hands of the players. It's what makes an emergent sandbox great. It's what makes EVE great.
When you start saying "We don't want people playing in the sandbox the way they want to, we want them playing the way way we want them to", you start throwing the baby out with the bathwater. With that simple statement you're making it a game designer driven game, not a player driven game.
So funnily enough, for all those people supporting the JB nerf and saying "Harden up. If you don't like it, gb2WoW", this change is fundamentally making EVE more like WoW - a game where the game designers, not the players, decide what kind of experience you should have.
See, that's another problem here. "Sandbox" buzzword is really overused.
Even, if the devs, let's say, would want to change the way the game is played, they in our case do nothing which affects it directly. No limiting of blue standings, or whatever stupid idea regularly surfaces in F&I.
One may say, they change a form of sandbox. You are warmly welcome to play the way you used to. And guess what, you still can do it. Time will tell, maybe we will.
Says the alt in default corp.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 22:54:55 Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 22:49:05
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Edited by: Larkonis Trassler on 12/05/2011 22:13:27 A funny thought just struck me. The people here complaining about this were the same people (or at least of the same ilk) cheering when the Nanonerf was announced.
The shoe is firmly on the other foot now.
Originally by: Albus Thumbledore
Originally by: Sirus Prime This is getting quite drawn out. Here's the general synopsis for anyone just getting here: 1: Everyone who isn't NC is happy that they are destroying our infrastructure and our isk making abilities. 2: Everyone in the NC is ****ed that CCP is still after us for destroying BoB/IT (the ones they gave the supercap BPO's to, and yes, some of us actually know about that *gasp*)
But ya, that's pretty much what you've missed, oh and the constant back and forth ***ching from one side to the other.
BTW: F**K THIS BULLS***
3. The same nasty CCP that gave you all the Tech moons ? Stop whining.
>implying that the average NC scrub gets to see any of that isk.
Full ship reinbursement for properly fit ships... including carriers for strat ops? Free everything in many areas for new people, I know you guys are all "old money" most current players are not.
btw have you checked the loot in 0.0 lately? its not as good as when you pve'd.
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Posted - 2011.05.12 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 23:11:18 in a few years this is gonna be the pure hardcore skirmish game that you guys including soundwave wants(your killboards are gonna suffer in % newbie tears will no longer be around much.)
well pl wants titandrops online and this certainly makes that a little safer.
ccp seems to want bot-fueled 1337pvp or atleast eve without certain groups and playstyles.
Will be a different game atleast.. better who can say
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.12 23:21:00 -
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Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 23:22:27 Edited by: Feyleaf on 12/05/2011 23:21:05
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar Forum whine index is over 9000.
Good work CCP :)
Something to do while getting blueballed until next hotdrop atleast we are winning the war. Lets see when the change hits if that makes a difference there.. i dont really think so.
@Ben > more like adapt or leave.. and I hate that idea.
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Posted - 2011.05.13 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson
Originally by: Flesh Slurper
Originally by: Panem EtCircenses Also, just remove local.
Local is stupid game feature
AMEN!
+1 --- In Null and Low.
nah its nice.. just make it like wh.. or session timer delay it when entering system. Local important for "player interaction"
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Feyleaf
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Posted - 2011.05.13 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Phigmeta
Originally by: Marlona Sky E .+ ` ' / +. F Your tears fuel me!
Your overused ASCII boars me ... undock for gods sake.
I like it
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