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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.10 21:47:00 -
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Is it really hard to see how in a game full of features which have been unfinished for years, people get upset when you make things ****ty for them with the promise of "oh it'll totally get better with these awesome things that'll come later". If the jump bridge changes are designed to be balanced alongside some upcoming 0.0 changes, how about implementing them alongside them.
Making space painful to live in will make alliances smaller sure, but the result won't be more small alliances, it'll just be fewer people full stop.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave Won't be two years. You'll hear the early parts of it before this month is up.
If its that close why not just wait?
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.10 22:55:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
We'll be looking at 0.0 this winter. We're hammering down the principles we'll work by as we speak, and they're being reviewed by the CSM. Once they've had their chance to give feedback in person (later this month), I'll happily post the groundwork for everyone to see. From there on, detailed designwork and implementation.
Ok, thats great but it still doesn't explain why these changes are so urgent they can't wait for the grand overhaul.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Jumpbridges were an original part of the little things, far before we got the go-ahead for a 0.0 review. They're also really time sensitive (need time to reconfigure the networks). It also functions independently, compared to many other larger changes.
People need time to reconfigure the networks sure, but they'll have to reconfigure them when the next set of changes hits too. And I contest that they function independently, surely a CCP employee of all people should realise that nothing in the game does. Along with the anomaly changes it represents a significant quality of life drop for individual players actually trying to live in 0.0 without really affecting the alliances they're part of (short of the players leaving I guess but that doesn't seem like a worthy goal).
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Patty Patrick Patterson
Originally by: Rainus Max NO reason
Originally by: Rainus Max **** off sov holding alliances.
That is a pretty good reason.
Yes it is if you're a PL member who's mother drank a little too much during pregnancy, not if you're a real life corporation with real life customers.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.10 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Phigmeta
From now on i am NOT paying with a sub .. from now on i will be using isk to buy plex .. I have allways felt that you guys deserved to get some real money ... but ya know what ..... now its time for me to nerf the sub.
Ordinarily I'd ignore a post this stupid but you're the second person on this page alone who doesn't understand how PLEX work, the first guy even managed to spread his stupidity to the people trying to correct him. That PLEX you're buying with isk, someone paid real money for it. Sure, its not your money, but don't kid yourself CCP aren't getting paid for your game time.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:07:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Knott
Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
This whole thread is a GREAT reason.
Might I refer you to my earlier comment about Patty Patrick Patterson's mother and her unfortunate alcoholism.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Soundwave
Originally by: Feyleaf
Originally by: Balthamel Eval'Raman Still waiting for one good reason why this isn't being deployed in the winter package.
I'm not at all convinced anything would be different. I understand the wish for 0.0 improvements, but this change would still have as polarizing down the road as it is today. The fact is that a lot of people are concerned with their space being less secure, and having to travel a bit further. Those concerns will still exist this winter when we launch the improvements. Anyway, I'm going to bed. I'll try and get some more answers in tomorrow.
If you anticipate the player reaction being the same even if a jumpbridge nerf was sweetened with quality of life increases (doubtful), and you agree that the entire of 0.0 needs a rethink why push this change at all? Was it really so urgent?
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 09:34:00 -
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I find it amusing how many recent PL members are pining for the good old days back when PL had standards and wouldn't have let them in.
So for those people heres an analogy that you might be able to understand as it affects things you have:
"We (CCP) feel that supercaps and T3 ships need some work, in fact we've already planned some work on them for the Winter. However for reasons we can't really articulate, until then we're going to be removing jump drives from supercaps and only allowing T3 ships to target NPCS"
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 10:03:00 -
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Edited by: Yeep on 11/05/2011 10:03:44
Originally by: Mr Rive
Thats fine we would use armor hacs
You see we 'Deal wiz it'
Being able to work around a change doesn't mean it isn't stupid and poorly thought out, but good job missing the point of my post and spouting memes instead I guess.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Rive
Being able to work around a change doesn't mean it isn't stupid and poorly thought out, but good job missing the point of my post and spouting memes instead I guess.
How is this poorly thought out?
The fact that its presented as part of an (unknown) series of futher changes but nobody can explain why it couldn't be implemented alongside them. Secondly, even the CCP posters in this thread have basically said "It'll totally increase the amount of pvp because of... erm, quick look over there"
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 12:30:00 -
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Originally by: Walextheone
Species that don't know how to adapt goes extinct.
Wasn't that Band of Brothers corp Evolution's catchphrase? Or was it Lotka Volterra's? Both entities that were super keen on other people adapting but not so good at it themselves.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Philip Jones
If game mechanics are fine, why are so many PL happy about this change in the future?
Because PL is 10% old money so rich the game has effectively become meaningless and 90% sycophantic puppies who follow them around mindlessly parroting their opinions as fact.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 15:27:00 -
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Edited by: Yeep on 11/05/2011 15:29:05
Originally by: KFenn
Well, then you need people who will mine low-ends. Do mining ops where people get paid the same, no matter what they mine. Your issue there isn't that the things you need are unavailable to you, it just you have no willing pilots. Make them willing with incentives.
So what you're saying is the entire economy should revolve around people being paid to do awful boring things in dangerous places. You know this is a game right?
Originally by: Messy Beaver
Your space was dense due to the blob living in it, however vast swathes of 0.0 is empty. There's your next hint sonny, more optimised alliances lead to more newer entities setting up in their own little corner of EMPTY space because the option of joining the big blobber reduces.
Oh and if your space was so dense why was most of your space empty most of the time?
Vast areas of 0.0 are empty because they're worthless. Explain again why these new small alliances want to spend billions of isk setting up in space with no advantage over empire?
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Nestor Laurenitis
Try living in Syndicate or some other region with truely horrible rats/anoms in a sea of non-blues without any jump bridges to secure safer travel and then get back to me about 'lack of high reward.'
The Syndicate thats full of level 4 mission agents? Or some other Syndicate?
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 16:08:00 -
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Originally by: Nestor Laurenitis
Originally by: Yeep The Syndicate thats full of level 4 mission agents? Or some other Syndicate?
You are, without a doubt, the first person to ever claim a bounty of PvE opportunities in Syndicate.
Congratulations to you, Captian.
Yeah, because I'm definitely not a member of an alliance that grew up in Syndicate so theres no way I could know anything about making money there.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 17:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
The issue is that NC is terrible, because the alliances in it are terrible, because the corps in them are terrible because they allow an terrible trash members in.
And PL is basically full of trust fund babies who can't understand why people are upset the public library is closing to make room for a polo field because daddy has a whole room full of books and you can totally play polo. Oh you don't have a horse? I guess you can play on foot but I'm still going to use the horse daddy bought me.
See, I can do personal insults too.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Liosa Rearl What happened to the breed of tough players that used to take whatever it was EvE threw at them and survive.
It turns out they were much better at laughing at other people failing to 'adapt or die' than actually doing so themselves, so they died.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Dodgy Past
But then when I went to null I was told I'd have to earn access to my space and keep earning it day in day out, not promised that I'd be 100% safe ratting my heart out and sucking on the teat of Jita to buy every shiny toy my heart desired.
I live in a house, if someone shows up with demolition equipment to knock it down I'll defend it. If a bunch of children with sticks start beating on my walls and demanding my house falls over I'm going to ignore them.
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Yeep
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.11 19:45:00 -
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Originally by: Vaju Katru
You would use your real life jumpgate, go inside the toilet and flush it to get out of the house.
I guess I might if I knew what you meant.
Originally by: Tel'me Am Peur
And i'm really amused by the terribad excuses some of you have concocted, for the rest of you who remember nullsec without the training wheels on, good for you. Please take some time to inform other, more cowardly, manbreasts that it is going to be ok.
I remember nullsec without supercaps, cloaky interdiction nullified T3s and invincible dramiels too. Can we get rid of those or are you only in favour of a return to the 'good old days' when it doesn't affect you?
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