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Aston Martin DB5
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Posted - 2011.05.13 04:02:00 -
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Well with soon-to-be released Star Wars the Old Republic and of course StarCraft MMO going into production within the year.... how will EVE survive?
Flame On!
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Shah Es'Mail
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Posted - 2011.05.13 04:39:00 -
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A Starcaft MMO would most likely fail epically at all things it could possibly fail at ever at all all the time always. Unless it didn't. I doubt one will ever come into existence. At least, I hope so.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.13 04:42:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 13/05/2011 04:44:31 SWTOR isn't all that amazing, but will do well just for having the Star Wars name slapped on it and not being absolutely terrible. It's aimed more at children and the WoW crowd, and won't really cut into the EVE playerbase very much.
And why is everyone saying Starcraft MMO now?
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.13 04:56:00 -
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Ill be trying SWOTAR but I think it has almost nothing in common with EVE other than being massively multiplayer.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Kharamete
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.13 05:14:00 -
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SWTOR will be a sharded themepark mmo for PVE, not PVP, and it will have a light death penalty. Well, PVP won't be the main focus anyway. I have to admit that I'll try it out since I'm a BioWare fan. But it won't be an Eve-killer. It won't be much like Eve at all, actually. ---
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CCP Manifest
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Posted - 2011.05.13 05:28:00 -
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I predict they will be pretty good, but that EVE will burn them all.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.13 05:30:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest I predict they will be pretty good, but that EVE will burn them all.
I believe your opinion is terribly biased, good sir.
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Athena Machina
Caldari Definitive Exploration and Excavations Drama Flakes
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Posted - 2011.05.13 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest I predict they will be pretty good, but that EVE will burn them all.
You should add flamethrowers to EVE, soon-ish.
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Sahara Bena
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Posted - 2011.05.13 05:57:00 -
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Have to admit, I am curious how SWOR will turn out myself. The SC MMO I hear mainly due to the rumor of players making a mod with the same name in thr SC2 editor and Blizzard told them to change the name. Pure speculation I believe, personally they are better off finishing off the rest of the SC2 series. Still have that lost dream of Ghost tho
That being said, I say it is time that Eve have some friendly competition in the SpaceCraft MMO market... sadly I do not see many candidates or anyone willing to make that wild stand.
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Bane Necran
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.13 06:12:00 -
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From what i've heard, Blizzard has confirmed their next MMO will have Sci-fi elements, but it will also be a completely new IP, with its own story and whatnot.
Curious to see what they bring, but i'll probably stick with EVE just because it's more of a mature game.
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Lidia Prince
Caldari Caldari Aegis
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:00:00 -
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StarCraft MMO? Not likely, Blizzard's next MMO is gonna be Titan, if I recall correctly, and it's a shooter. If it's gonna be released on consoles, then yes, maybe there will be some frictions between it and Dust514. But if Dust514 will actually connect with EVE claim wars and will be interesting, then I guess the winner is already known. SWTOR?.. Looks pretty "meh" so far, only CGs are sweet.
Both of them are completely different from EVE games BTW, so they are as a threat to EVE as any other korean MMO out there.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:08:00 -
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Originally by: Aston Martin DB5 Well with soon-to-be released Star Wars the Old Republic and of course StarCraft MMO going into production within the year.... how will EVE survive?
Simple: by not being in the same game genre. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
baltec1
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:08:00 -
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They are no threat to EVE but SWG is going to suffer greatly.
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Manifest I predict they will be pretty good, but that EVE will burn them all.
There's a lot of nice stuff in Eve, but there are also a lot of stuff you don't care to answer in your "Dev's answer blah blah", read the forums (I think you do) so, don't sell the fish you haven't already caught
SW WOW or whatever, predict the lifetime or the death of eve or another game, who cares? -nerds?- bah !
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Illwill Bill
Talu Shaya Talu Shaya Empire
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Athena Machina
Originally by: CCP Manifest I predict they will be pretty good, but that EVE will burn them all.
You should add flamethrowers to EVE, soon-ish.
That is a very intriguing idea for Incarna.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Revenge is a dish best served with auto-cannons.
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Cantrip
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Posted - 2011.05.13 07:55:00 -
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On Blizzard: They are super at making extremely fun, well polished games with a long development cycle. See the Diablo, StarCraft, Warcraft series. Their MMO set records but has been lacking anything really gripping lately. If they make a StarCraft MMO it may well be WoW in space, and a lot of people are tired of WoW. Pass. Best thing for CCP to copy: Custom UIs.
On BioWare: Extremely good RPGs, experience with making very well done Star Wars universe RPGs. Made their own sci-fi universe in Mass Effect and did an amazing job. Many SW games from other companies have been half baked, poorly done, or feel timid with regards to interacting with the universe, not a problem with BioWare. They missed an opportunity to release "X-Wing vs Tie Fighter: 2011" in Old Republic and modeled their space combat after Rebel Assault's "ship in a fixed tunnel" approach which bothers me. Excited, but it won't be internet spaceships. Best thing for CCP to copy: The look and feel of Mass Effect for walking in stations. Yet pay attention to characters interacting with objects, if I need to run between six different consoles to do my station trading, while watching the character type in the air for 3.5 seconds the Nth time I activate each one, I will lose interest. The blurry out of focus video displays in the minmatar quarters will look great as a 2 second clip in a promo, but if that's what I need to look at to function I'll tell you know: I get headaches and nausia from jittery video and unsync'd R/G/B channels.
On SoE: SWG started strong but got old quickly, their redesign killed the game. Jump to lightspeed may have brought people back, but it was like running the same level in x-wing over and over as it lacked content. Also, their entire electronic entertainment empire is currently switched off, so, yeah... Best thing for CCP to copy: Allow time based resource extraction (survey site, place harvester, come back later) and live gathering (arrive in mining ship, mine) across all resources. I can't take a tech moon from a 0.0 alliance outright, but I can show up in a ship and nibble at it. Or annihilate someone's veldspar extraction unit and slow their cap ship production.
On CCP: Yes I'm reviewing you, it'll be harsh. Solid game design in 2003, loyal player base that I suspect would stick together through a lot. Pretty graphics, mostly nice designs, potential for interesting stories and lore. "Crafting" so integral to the game it's called industry. Lots of room to expand. The UI is so terrible it completely eliminates many major features. Pretty ships, but you are required to zoom out so far you can't see them. Lots of data available, but so much required at once the screen is full of floating windows that obscure the actual gameplay. Different UI elements and interfaces have radical and / or opposing methods of use, even elementas designed to be used at the same time. Trivial actions like opening cargo, the fitting window, or having a chat message with a link will use client resources orders of magnitude over what they should (Click a fitting link, watch your frame rate. Watch your frame rate docked in jita, an IRC client with 1,000 users typing won't slow down a 1990's PC, what extra is being sent to my client that chokes a 2010 PC? Am I getting station grid data? Why, when I just request it all again when I undock?). New content doesn't get it's bugs fixed and interfaces normalized in favor of pushing newer content, cycle repeats.
Ahem... This started as a comparison of big things on the radar that could take people away from eve. Bottom line is there's no big space sim out there at the moment to compete, so eve has to compete with itself. Incarna may be a danger, as when you take the focus off of space ships and stuff people back in a body, you WILL be competing with the flock of other MMOs out there. The other MMOs have experience with what you are trying new, and much better UIs and easier learning curves.
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Adria Kizama
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:08:00 -
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Nothing is like Eve ! Eve = Very Hot Girl after first Date Other MMORPGs = Old Granny that lies beside you on the next morning, after a long night.
Eve forever...
P.S. Im not a Fanboy/girl but after 8 years im a realist :)
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Lidia Prince
Caldari Caldari Aegis
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Adria Kizama Nothing is like Eve ! Eve = Very Hot Girl after first Date Other MMORPGs = Old Granny that lies beside you on the next morning, after a long night.
Eve forever...
P.S. Im not a Fanboy/girl but after 8 years im a realist :)
Wut? After first date you see a very hot, but way too complicated girl with a lot of "issues" in her head. It's hard to date her, but if you know what you're doing and have a plan for next step, now that's where she becomes interesting. I guess she turns into just "Very Hot Girl" after couple of years spent together :3
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Chuc Morris
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lidia Prince Wut? After first date you see a very hot, but way too complicated girl with a lot of "issues" in her head.
Take the best, leave the worst to her husband
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Barbelo Valentinian
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:20:00 -
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SWTOR will be huge, but it's not comparable to EVE in any way. More like playing KOTOR online with other people.
Like STO, it's a different type of s-f game altogether from EVE, and a different type of fun - not much demographic crossover. *****
"To wake up is to wake the world up" - D.E. Harding |
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Lost Greybeard
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:30:00 -
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SWtOR isn't really aimed at the eve crowd, it's a 2-dimensional story-based RPG with a multiplayer component, unless I'm missing something with the promotional materials they send me it's not even an MMO in the classic sense (there is a hard cap on population in most areas/scenarios).
And given that Blizzard has never had an original idea in their life (though, credit to them for the best Warhammer/Warhammer 40k video-game adaptations), so I would expect the Starcraft MMO to be a reskinned clone of Warcraft (not that that's necessarily bad, a WoW expansion has a good three months of entertainment most of the time) and pull from pretty much the same pool of people.
Flavor/genre only impacts people picking up the game, people continuing to play it (the main source of income for an MMO) has a lot more to do with mechanics and a critical population keeping their friends in. Eve's "gradually modify the game to keep things new" method holds a certain type of people, as does 3-d combat with near-zero twitch factor and the skill-ups based on real-time. XP-based progression MMOs with 2d combat and ability-dependent (rather than gear-dependent) tactics will hold a different set of people.
That said, if the Old Republic has PvP based on destructible terrain I may be letting my Eve subscription lapse.
(TL;DR: Setting is not what makes Eve special, other MMOs of dramatically different mechanics probably won't hurt it much.) ---
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Angry Mustellid
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:32:00 -
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As an example, when Star Trek Online came out a bunch of eve players went over to play it.
They all got bored with it really quickly and came back.
I don't see much being different with this new franchise :)
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Neamus
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Posted - 2011.05.13 08:34:00 -
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I got quite excited about SW:TOR when I first heard of it, but after finding out more about it most of that excitement has gone. It sounds now like its basically going to be a single player RPG with MMO bits tacked on here and there. I don't know anything about a SC MMO and tbh I don't get on to well with the IP, so that's out for me.
The one MMO that I really am looking forward to playing though (EVE aside of course) is Guild Wars 2, I know its not science fiction but still its looking damn good.
And of course there's EVE, which I've been playing on and off for the last 8 years, and if it keeps going long enough I'll probably still be playing in another 8 years time. Looking forwards to incarna arriving at last, and seeing where that goes. Also really looking forward to the new turret effects (I know its only fluff but its cool), and praying for a PC version of Dust 514. Sorry but I refuse to use a console controller for FPS games, its just wrong.
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Ankanos
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.13 11:39:00 -
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Nothing can compete with EVE, -except EVE itself..
It is the only MMO with ACTUAL Science in it.. some fictional, some very current "with state of the art" theory and practice.
EVE will always be a thinking man's game, or woman's, -with extra spice.
EVE holds a particular type of mind..one that actually likes to think.
EVE is patiently waiting for the Faux Science of the fantasy world we call real life, -to catch up to it.
EVE is Forever.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.13 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 13/05/2011 12:29:53 SWTOR is going to be a PvE-based single-player game with multi-player support that claims to be an MMO, while Eve is a true MMORPG.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Nyio
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.13 12:35:00 -
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SWTOR is a must try for me. (I loved those games on the Xbox.) As for the rest of them I have no idea, but seeing how EVE evolves I lean towards agreeing with CCP Manifest.
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Xythe Marstolt
Minmatar Stark Industries Ltd
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Posted - 2011.05.13 12:40:00 -
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SWTOR will probably kill EVE off for me for a couple of months. But I'm only really interested in it as a story driven RPG, rather than as an MMO, so I'll be back.
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Discrodia
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.13 14:16:00 -
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Starcraft MMO is unlikely. Whatever Titan or w/e it's called is, I doubt it's of the Starcraft IP, or they'd be announcing that. I believe it's a new IP.
Star Wars TOR will most likely fail, so far looking like 'wow in space' again.
Plus, EVE is about SPACESHIPS. Not little people running around being little people.
We're just weird enough that no one wants our niche.
Originally by: anonymous WE JUST DID SCIENCE!
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Teranul
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Posted - 2011.05.13 14:29:00 -
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Like other folks have pointed out already, a Starcraft MMO is extremely unlikely. I can hardly resist the urge to insult the intelligence of anyone who believes otherwise (seriously, they've pointed out explicitly that it is a new IP, and the "Titan" codename has nothing at all to do with Starcraft).
SWTOR is WoW in the Star Wars universe. Not really in space because the space part is just an arcade on-rails shooter. It is not even going to play much like an MMO with its gameplay largely a combination of KOTOR and WoW, meaning lots of soloing unless you go out of your way to group. Which is terrible.
Really, what? This is a stupid topic. Anyone with any decent level of intelligence would have realized this loooong before pressing the "post new topic" button...
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.05.13 14:29:00 -
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Link to StarCraft MMO.
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