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Nicola Raholan
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:17:00 -
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Edited by: Nicola Raholan on 14/05/2011 17:17:12 I was looking at the login screen before something suddenly hits me:
With the new PLEX for buddy program.... I can get as many alts as I want with ONE PLEX!!
All I have to do is give PLEX to my alt, activate PLEX on said alt, result: a free 51 days accout, and the PLEX I started off with.
And that doesn't stop with the 10 invites I have, because my "plex alts" will have their own 10 invites. So as long as I can be bothered to put the effort into it, I can get as many alts as I want.
I'm not going to go into what to do with the alts, but I'm sure everyone will have something in mind. All will probably results in a drastic change to some aspect of the game.
My question is.... wouldn't this just totally mess the game up?
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:28:00 -
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I think you're missing the fact that you get a free thirty days OR a PLEX, not both. You're still out a PLEX per alt account.
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Nicola Raholan
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:33:00 -
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Edited by: Nicola Raholan on 14/05/2011 17:36:09 I think you're missing my point. I am not looking for the 30days game time I get from buddying.
I'm saying when I get a buddy I get a plex back. Use a plex, get a plex; net gain, I still end up with a free 51 days alt account.
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And to compare with the old system, the process stops at 30days being added to my main. But with the new system, the PLEX can be re-use to continue a chain of alts creation.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:37:00 -
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I'm sure in your mind this plan is fiendishly clever and will work.
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:39:00 -
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OP is correct.
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Diablo Ex
Caldari Reasonable People
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Posted - 2011.05.14 17:42:00 -
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I do believe the buddy will have to actually pay for the account before the PLEX is reimbursed... A fatal flaw in an otherwise fiendish plan. ---
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:06:00 -
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Game breaking?
Nah, just a ham-fisted mechanism to keep account numbers up while they nerf 0.0 and otherwise ignore the hole in the roof while single-mindedly polishing the floor.
Something has to counter-balance the cancellations of long-time players .. now everyone can have almost limitless, painless alt accounts.
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Kristan Nvar
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:07:00 -
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for you to get anything your "buddy" would have to fork over the sub price to get you your free plex.
So someone still end up paying.
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Diablo Ex I do believe the buddy will have to actually pay for the account before the PLEX is reimbursed... A fatal flaw in an otherwise fiendish plan.
All i see is complete lack of understanding and what he is saying would work 100 percent, Granted you would need a plex per 51 alt you need, Now im gonna break it down real slow in a way you might understand.
1. Send buddy account invite. 2. Create account and charecter. 3. Log in on main, purchase 1 plex and send to the recently created charecter. 4. log on buddy account, apply plex. 5. Main account recives plex as reward for buddy invite completing and has lost nothing. 6. You now own your main account, 1 plex and a free 51 day alt.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2011.05.14 18:49:00 -
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7. And CCP can say they have EVER INCREASING ACTIVE ACCOUNTS WOOOHOOO
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:02:00 -
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I think if your goal is to simply own a bunch of 51 day alt accounts this will work.
I guess this might be nice for suicide gankers, other wise it seems kind of useless.
On a side note I suppose the OP could be perm banned for listing an exploit.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:20:00 -
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Originally by: Nicola Raholan Edited by: Nicola Raholan on 14/05/2011 17:17:12 I was looking at the login screen before something suddenly hits me:
With the new PLEX for buddy program.... I can get as many alts as I want with ONE PLEX!!
My question is.... wouldn't this just totally mess the game up?
It totally would destroy the game instantly... except skill books cost money.
Fancy that! Instant isk sink!
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:28:00 -
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Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 14/05/2011 19:29:14 To quote the dev blog with the best thing a dev has ever said.... "Stand Back, I'm going to try Science."
Also the part where they said PLEX is a hot market item and exploiting it will be met with harsh punishments and then the OP going "I'ma go exploit it now, derp derp"
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Nicola Raholan
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:42:00 -
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^ If you wanna troll go troll somewhere else, you are just making yourself look stupid.
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As for this being an exploit... is it really? As of now, everyone can plex alt themselves, they even let you use the same email, and it's not considered an exploit no matter how many plex alts you get. The fact is right now there're no rules regarding this issue hence the "potentially game breaking".
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Irulan Corinno
Caldari 714th SQN - Snowflakes
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 14/05/2011 19:46:23
Originally by: Nicola Raholan I was looking at the login screen before something suddenly hits me: With the new PLEX for buddy program.... I can get as many alts as I want with ONE PLEX!! All I have to do is give PLEX to my alt, activate PLEX on said alt, result: a free 51 days accout, and the PLEX I started off with. And that doesn't stop with the 10 invites I have, because my "plex alts" will have their own 10 invites. So as long as I can be bothered to put the effort into it, I can get as many alts as I want. I'm not going to go into what to do with the alts, but I'm sure everyone will have something in mind. All will probably results in a drastic change to some aspect of the game.
My question is.... wouldn't this just totally mess the game up?
Uhm .. the only difference with the former situation is that you get a plex and not 30 days on your "inviting character". You always got 51 days anyway.
And what if you use the same plex to activate a new account .. after 51 days you still have to provide means to extend the account. How should that mess the game up?
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Yakov Pavlov
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:50:00 -
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In the Dev Blog post, this issue was raised. The only official answer was "we'll be watching this closely."
Translation, "make the most of the system we haven't really thought through ... and despite being made of the abuse-potential now, we'll wait and arbitrarily wield the ban hammer at some point in the future."
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:54:00 -
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I'm very comfortable under my bridge here, thank you
I'm going to stay in this thread until the end of time
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Nicola Raholan
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Posted - 2011.05.14 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: Irulan Corinno Edited by: Irulan Corinno on 14/05/2011 19:48:37
Originally by: Nicola Raholan I was looking at the login screen before something suddenly hits me: With the new PLEX for buddy program.... I can get as many alts as I want with ONE PLEX!! All I have to do is give PLEX to my alt, activate PLEX on said alt, result: a free 51 days accout, and the PLEX I started off with. And that doesn't stop with the 10 invites I have, because my "plex alts" will have their own 10 invites. So as long as I can be bothered to put the effort into it, I can get as many alts as I want. I'm not going to go into what to do with the alts, but I'm sure everyone will have something in mind. All will probably results in a drastic change to some aspect of the game.
My question is.... wouldn't this just totally mess the game up?
Uhm .. the only difference with the former situation is that you get a plex and not 30 days on your "inviting character". You always got 51 days anyway.
And what if you use the same plex to activate a new account .. after 51 days you still have to provide means to extend the account. How should that mess the game up?
In the end it's CCP wanting to make a little more money by hoping you'll use the plex for something else than extrend your subscription: transfer characters, give it to charity or in the future; buy vanity items. So instead of missing out on 30 days subscription they get you something else.
I was thinking of the things that a 51 days alt can do with minimal efforts. For example, mining, PI, training up a char for sale on bazzar (for example hulk takes 47 days with 0 implants and remap). Each will increase supply of that certain field and depending on the amounts of people doing so, might affect the market of that sector.
Not to mention botters...
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.14 20:00:00 -
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Originally by: Nicola Raholan
I can only hope so. The game is messed up enough as it is.
Imagine these forums with 2 more of me
Originally by: Jada Maroo Many legitimate news stories over the past few years would not have been brought to the forefront if not for Fox News.
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.05.14 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest I think if your goal is to simply own a bunch of 51 day alt accounts this will work.
I guess this might be nice for suicide gankers, other wise it seems kind of useless.
On a side note I suppose the OP could be perm banned for listing an exploit.
Ok, Free:
Sucide gank , scan, PI, Cyno, Hauler alts are not any good or useless i see....
Fyi most of the above can be making enough isk efficently/semi passive/Be massivly usefull within 7-10 days of their free 51 day alt.
and yah , guess the OP should have filed a petition or exploit/bug report instead of making a forum thread. But Meh, either CCP had a side agenda with this or just didint think that far, and knowing ccp its most likely the later.....
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Diomedes Calypso
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Posted - 2011.05.14 22:50:00 -
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If you're of limmited funds this would help you start more accounts, true....It would allow you to do dozens of them without applying dozens of months of game time to other accounts too.
But in practicality, its not going to be very useful or attractive or advantageous for a long term player... maybe as a lark a few dozen out of a few hundered thousand players will try it a couple times but its not goign to get them ahead.
Outside of scams for voting or getting holiday prizes , lots of low trained accounts don't give you much.. and have huge diminishing returns. They take real time to log into and keep training etc...the game play advantage isn't significantly higher than spending the same time doing other in game things after your already have a few accounts and sufficient scouts , cyno alts etc...the hastle of training new cyno alts every 6 weeks to get them for free instead of having a couple paid accounts that I could find some low time intensive way for them to pay for themselves doesn't look too super after awhile.
As it stands now, people might need a little more isk, but they can use the buddy system regularly as without cost now....and I don't think people keep up with getting 51 days free every month for no additional outlay as it is...maybe a few, but there's always a nut somewhere... its gotta get old.
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Eladaris
Amarr Excessum Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.14 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rohnda
Ok, Free:
Sucide gank , scan, PI, Cyno, Hauler alts are not any good or useless i see....
Fyi most of the above can be making enough isk efficently/semi passive/Be massivly usefull within 7-10 days of their free 51 day alt.
Seriously? This isn't going to work. AT ALL.
Assuming you're a supercap pilot, you probably have a cyno pilot on a second account already, with a supercap trained alt pilot so you can leave your supercap. If you're a cap pilot, you probably already have a second account doing other things, beyond simply being a cyno alt.
Yes, you could probably train a cyno alt in 10 days... but will you really repeat that cycle every 40'ish days to get outta paying a PLEX on an existing account? An existing account that would continue to gain SP. I suppose you could keep repeating the process if you needed a cyno chain for really deep null sec jumps.
Yes, you can suicide gank to your heart's content this way... but you could probably suicide gank un-tanked indy's on the trade pipeline's with a 21d totally free account also.
PI Alt? I suppose, if you could make enough ISK outta PI to keep the account PLEX'ed it'd be a solid enough notion, but you'll hit massive diminishing returns.
Hauler alts? You can make a decent hauler alt in 25 hours without a remap or implants, but it would have to be a PLEX'ed account, so I'll give you that one.
I suppose if you're SERIOUSLY bored you could create a thousand new pilots, stuff them into a newly formed alliance, and try to **** off enough of the major alliances to have them hire merc's to war dec you. That'd be fun and meta-gamey.
Ultimately the change doesn't really add anything new to the game, if your sole plan was to create a single new alt pilot and use it without renewing the sub.
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.15 03:34:00 -
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Originally by: Rohnda
Originally by: Diablo Ex I do believe the buddy will have to actually pay for the account before the PLEX is reimbursed... A fatal flaw in an otherwise fiendish plan.
All i see is complete lack of understanding and what he is saying would work 100 percent, Granted you would need a plex per 51 alt you need, Now im gonna break it down real slow in a way you might understand.
1. Send buddy account invite. 2. Create account and charecter. 3. Log in on main, purchase 1 plex and send to the recently created charecter. 4. log on buddy account, apply plex. 5. Main account recives plex as reward for buddy invite completing and has lost nothing. 6. You now own your main account, 1 plex and a free 51 day alt.
7. Use that free plex and another plex to 'sell' your main character with a few days left to that 51 day account and you get 21 days free? That account becomes your main. uʍop ǝpısdn ǝɹnʇɐuƃıs ʎɯ ƃuıpɐǝɹ ǝɹɐ noʎ [yellow]Signature removed. Please submit a petition for fu |
I'thari
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.15 03:53:00 -
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Nice change... for people making bot accaouts. Not much will change otherwise, I think. |
Fuzzy Wuzzi
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Posted - 2011.05.15 04:19:00 -
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Edited by: Fuzzy Wuzzi on 15/05/2011 04:20:07
Originally by: Nicola Raholan Edited by: Nicola Raholan on 14/05/2011 17:17:12 I was looking at the login screen before something suddenly hits me:
With the new PLEX for buddy program.... I can get as many alts as I want with ONE PLEX!!
All I have to do is give PLEX to my alt, activate PLEX on said alt, result: a free 51 days accout, and the PLEX I started off with.
And that doesn't stop with the 10 invites I have, because my "plex alts" will have their own 10 invites. So as long as I can be bothered to put the effort into it, I can get as many alts as I want.
I'm not going to go into what to do with the alts, but I'm sure everyone will have something in mind. All will probably results in a drastic change to some aspect of the game.
My question is.... wouldn't this just totally mess the game up?
This is true. But the new addition of the PLEX didn't change anything, the buddy program has always been that way.
For example: Last month my friend was deciding on whether or not to get a 3rd account. Because both his main account and his new trial account gets 30 days (he gave 375mil from his main to his trail account toon to buy a PLEX) he decided just to buy it on the trial account and decide later on whether or not to keep it.
Seems kinda flawed because you can basically have 1 free alt account active for 51 days for every 1 month you buy on your main account.
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Fuzzy Wuzzi
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Posted - 2011.05.15 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Eladaris PI Alt? I suppose, if you could make enough ISK outta PI to keep the account PLEX'ed it'd be a solid enough notion, but you'll hit massive diminishing returns.
Quite possibly is one of the many reasons why PI prices are crashing atm.
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Darius III
Caldari Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.05.15 04:35:00 -
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Originally by: Yakov Pavlov In the Dev Blog post, this issue was raised. The only official answer was "we'll be watching this closely."
Translation, "make the most of the system we haven't really thought through ... and despite being made of the abuse-potential now, we'll wait and arbitrarily wield the ban hammer at some point in the future."
I have used my marginal position as last place CSM alt for all it's worth to read every post and discussion I am able to access. I can't talk about specifics because of non disclosure agreement I signed, but they not nearly as bad as I thought going in, and they put ****tonnes of effort into the game
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2011.05.15 05:00:00 -
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You do forget that CCP wrote (in bold and italics) that this is an EXPERIMENT that will be adjusted and/or stopped if the results will upset the balance in EVE.
A quick adjustment would be - that was suggested in the appropriate comment thread to the devblog - to increase the cost of character upgrading from trial to full from one PLEX now to two then while you get than 60 days of gametime.
This way, you need to net invest at least one PLEX for each of your alt. |
Erik CoolBreeze
Amarr eve-universe.net
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Posted - 2011.05.15 07:13:00 -
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Didn't read the whole thread. But there are plenty of ways to 'use' this to your advantage. Main character in an orca and 10 alts in destroyers mining for 51 days? Maybe train up to something bigger to mine in? getting into a retriever isnt that expensive.
Yes skill books costs ISK, but that is easily made back through an hour of mining. professional web development for the eve community |
LittleTerror
MAFIA
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Posted - 2011.05.15 08:06:00 -
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Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 14/05/2011 19:29:14 Also the part where they said PLEX is a hot market item and exploiting it will be met with harsh punishments and then the OP going "I'ma go exploit it now, derp derp"
Don't tell him/her, I wanted to watch the Op's tears when they get all those 51 accounts banned |
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