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Azhpol
Gallente Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:07:00 -
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Really? Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
And just to jump on the butthurt comments, I lost a bomber full of skillbooks and bpos to a gatecamp in Amamake, then they tried to ransom the pod. I would totally have ransomed the ship(that would have been worth it) but 50mil for a 2mil clone? Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit? ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main! |
Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Concentrated Evil
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol I fool
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Father Fondle
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:12:00 -
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Why would you fly into Amamake with a shipful of skillbooks and BPOs?
Son, I am disappoint.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:16:00 -
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I don't think you 'get' Eve.
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Xenuria
Gallente Marcabian 5th Invasion Fleet
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:43:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Really? Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
And just to jump on the butthurt comments, I lost a bomber full of skillbooks and bpos to a gatecamp in Amamake, then they tried to ransom the pod. I would totally have ransomed the ship(that would have been worth it) but 50mil for a 2mil clone? Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit?
A good question is why the hell there was a gatecamp in your route to your destination?
If you had any kind of wisdom you would have scouted first and if you have an intel network you dont need scouts.
I am just so trolled by your situation.. It's like you were flying by the seat of your pants and paid the price for it and now your shocked?
Never fly anywhere you dont have intel.. The only time I have ever lost ships was because I was not watching my intel channels. Learn from your mistakes.
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Dalryn
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Really? Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
And just to jump on the butthurt comments, I lost a bomber full of skillbooks and bpos to a gatecamp in Amamake, then they tried to ransom the pod. I would totally have ransomed the ship(that would have been worth it) but 50mil for a 2mil clone? Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit?
Why are you butthurt that you got ransomed for the potential value of your implants and time spent for replacing them?
U mad?
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daddys helper
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:45:00 -
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because tears are more valuable than isk?
it was probably an afterthought, they saw your fail cargo and decided you were a sucker and they might be able to get you to pay for the faction ammo they used (and were going to use to pod you after payment) to ruin your day?
yeah, you don't get eve do you?
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Calfis
Amarr Fukushima Industries Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2011.05.18 17:55:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit?
You sir are the kind of 0.0 resident that other 0.0 residents pray upon.
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Azhpol
Gallente Casa Del Wombat
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Azhpol on 18/05/2011 18:28:55 Butthurt? nah, curious actually. Slightly annoyed, lost about a hundred mil isk of books and bps, but thats still only an hour or so of making isk to replace. Its not the loss, its the complete lack of apparent logic behind it. I can see going for tears, tho. That actually makes a bit of sense, just never thought of convoing someone to try to claim a ransom as a method of tear extraction(not a pirate or a griefer, I just like to kill people).
Thanks for the answers, everything is much more clear now
Edit: as to why I ended up in amamake with a covops full of bpos and books, stupid mistake. Wasn't paying enough attention to where the route was taking me til I ended up there, and the scout through the gate a minute or 2 before was clear. old intel is old. ----------------------------------------------- I don't post on an alt, I post on my forum main! |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:39:00 -
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This is you
This is 3 minutes before you died
If you look here you will see they were camping that gate for some time. Either your 'scout' wanted you to die or you are a liar. I'm just going to put this down to incompetence.
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Dalryn
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Posted - 2011.05.18 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Edited by: Azhpol on 18/05/2011 18:28:55 Butthurt? nah, curious actually. Slightly annoyed, lost about a hundred mil isk of books and bps, but thats still only an hour or so of making isk to replace. Its not the loss, its the complete lack of apparent logic behind it. I can see going for tears, tho. That actually makes a bit of sense, just never thought of convoing someone to try to claim a ransom as a method of tear extraction(not a pirate or a griefer, I just like to kill people).
Thanks for the answers, everything is much more clear now
Edit: as to why I ended up in amamake with a covops full of bpos and books, stupid mistake. Wasn't paying enough attention to where the route was taking me til I ended up there, and the scout through the gate a minute or 2 before was clear. old intel is old.
I think the real question here is why you're butthurt at not being able to figure out why your pod is worth 50 mil.
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Aiwha
Caldari 101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:02:00 -
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Because then they get a km, whatever you're carrying, AND a ransom. That's why they try it. I can't heal stupid
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Ka Jolo
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
Different attackers will have different reasons for their decision on whether or not to ransom your ship and/or pod. Having said that, here are some common considerations:
- Some people like racking up a good killboard record. Your ship gives more points than your pod. "Would I rather have credit for killing this ship or would I rather gain 20M ISK in ransom" (both parties assuming you'll get your pod out) makes ransom less attractive than "Would I rather have credit for popping this pod or would I rather gain 80M ISK in ransom" (both parties noting the fact that the capsule has been tackled).
- In many encounters, especially when the pilots are not noobs, it costs more to replace the capsule than it does to replace the ship. The capsule may be full of expensive implants, and perhaps the pilot forgot to replace his last clone and so is vulnerable to losing skillpoints. The ship, on the other hand, may be insurable to a significant degree, and rarely carries a cargo of any real value. Most pilots, when their ship is being ransomed, figure they can still get their pod out and base their decision on the value of their ship; all too often, they decline paying the ransom. Some of those same pilots, however, once their capsule has actually been tackled, base their decision on the value of their clone, and are more amenable to paying a ransom.
- In some systems, it is dangerous to dally; take too long to complete a transaction (including any destroying of ships or pods and including any ransom negotiations and payments) and some third party is likely to horn in and complicate things. Further, the victim himself may have friends rushing to his assistance. Ransoms are less likely to occur when the attacker is feeling nervous. However, once the kill is recorded, the attacker may feel he can relax; if a threat approaches, he can one-volley the pod and be out before being in any real danger.
If your ship has skillbooks and BPO's in the cargo, your attackers probably are not aware of that important fact. Be proactive and make them a ransom offer, knowing that that very offer will clue them in that you have a valuable cargo or faction fittings. The attackers will likely demand more, but at least they'll have the opportunity for a real juicy ransom (their experience is probably one of the loot gods being stingy) and you may be able to control your losses. As you negotiate the ransom, keep in mind that many pirates will kill you even if you pay, so factor in the known reputation of your attackers, or factor in the likelihood of losing your ship on top of your ransom.
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Feligast
Minmatar GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.18 19:34:00 -
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You claim to be a nullsec pilot.. then how the hell did you lose a pod in lowsec? No bubbles.... apparently you're just completely full of fail.
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Laurent Savard
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Posted - 2011.05.18 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Really? Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
And just to jump on the butthurt comments, I lost a bomber full of skillbooks and bpos to a gatecamp in Amamake, then they tried to ransom the pod. I would totally have ransomed the ship(that would have been worth it) but 50mil for a 2mil clone? Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit?
Ransoming your ship gives them no killmail, so they hope you have expensive implants and will be willing to pay. If so, they double win. If not, they still won.
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Luna Q
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Posted - 2011.05.18 21:35:00 -
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Simple really -
Ship kill mail > ransom
Ransom > pod kill mail
Luna Q
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Dracoliche
Damage Unlimited Inc AN EYE F0R AN EYE
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Posted - 2011.05.18 21:46:00 -
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Originally by: Luna Q Simple really -
Ship kill mail > ransom
Ransom > pod kill mail
Luna Q
^ This. Really can't ***** about your ship popping. Nobody owes you any courtesy. Bomber pops faster than anyone can make an educated well thought out decision on ransoming your ship.
Next time pay attention and try not to get caught.
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Herrring
Amarr National Quality Breaker Vicious OuTLaW
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Posted - 2011.05.18 23:14:00 -
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first you got caught in a stealth bomber in low sec.
Second you got caught in a pod in low sec.
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The Masia
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Posted - 2011.05.19 04:19:00 -
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Other than the gate camp, the reason some ransom the pod is because it's not a threat then. It takes time to ransom a ship, especially if friends are on the way.
I actually have a no ransom policy because it's too risky when everyone blobs and calls it skill.
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Father Fondle
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Posted - 2011.05.19 07:21:00 -
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Originally by: Herrring first you got caught in a stealth bomber in low sec.
Second you got caught in a pod in low sec.
Son, you got it right down there. OP is a full sack of fail.
OP even triple-fails by exposing his double-fail to C&P.
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Zaveed
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Posted - 2011.05.19 07:45:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Really? Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
And just to jump on the butthurt comments, I lost a bomber full of skillbooks and bpos to a gatecamp in Amamake, then they tried to ransom the pod. I would totally have ransomed the ship(that would have been worth it) but 50mil for a 2mil clone? Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit?
So long as they let you go if you pay, then they're shining bloody paragons.
If someone got into piracy with the idea that they're gonna get infinitely rich from it, they're not in the right profession. Well, unless you count a wealth of tears.
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Miss Rabblt
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Posted - 2011.05.19 09:01:00 -
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Originally by: Feligast You claim to be a nullsec pilot.. then how the hell did you lose a pod in lowsec? No bubbles.... apparently you're just completely full of fail.
maybe he is just rich enough to not cry about lost pod?
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Damien McCandless
Caldari Baden's Army Externus Hostis
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Posted - 2011.05.19 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Miss Rabblt
Originally by: Feligast You claim to be a nullsec pilot.. then how the hell did you lose a pod in lowsec? No bubbles.... apparently you're just completely full of fail.
maybe he is just rich enough to not cry about lost pod?
A POD! THAT's what your hair reminds me of! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally by: Joe Phoenix -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *sigh* |
Ospie
The Python Cartel. The Defenders of Pen Island
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ospie on 19/05/2011 10:25:17 Edited by: Ospie on 19/05/2011 10:23:54
Originally by: Herrring first you got caught in a stealth bomber in low sec.
Second you got caught in a pod in low sec.
This, I'm surprised it took that long for that to be brought up in the thread. I'll try to keep the rest of this post simple so you can understand it.
Another reason you would gank a stealth bomber straight away is if it has a mwd on it WILL get back to get gate if not shot, in other words there's a good chance ransom talks may deny both a ransom and a kill. A pod on the other hand will not mwd back to a gate, which allows for ransom talks to take place! Who would have thought?!
That is why your ship was destroyed and your pod ransomed. A pod is always worth a ransom attempt if practical - it's not like the tackler misses out on anything of actual value by podding you (I've ransomed some pods for hundreds of millions), a ship on the other hand can actually drop more than you may ransom it for (depends on fitting / luck etc)).
I always enjoy these threads. This is how I love to imagine most 0.0 pro-pvpers to truly be like. These are of course the guys who tell us pirates to grow some balls and fight in nullsec where the realÖ pvpers fight! Yeah!
Edit: Some of the responses (intel network yeh!) are great too :P
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Man Barthelme
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:54:00 -
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Edited by: Man Barthelme on 19/05/2011 10:58:49 Since you died to a gatecamp, we should point out that ransoming a ship on a gate is generally not done for the very simple reason that the target is likely to jump back through while payment is being negotiated. Even if he's thoroughly scrammed and webbed, the risk that he'll make it back to the gate and escape is just too great.
Pods are slower, so there's more leeway, and it's worth the risk if the attackers have time to sit around under gatefire in a hostile system. People do pay pod ransoms, quite often.
edit: dangit, didn't read the previous post--coulda saved meself some typin'
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Shivalla
Gallente Financial Removal THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2011.05.19 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Really? Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
And just to jump on the butthurt comments, I lost a bomber full of skillbooks and bpos to a gatecamp in Amamake, then they tried to ransom the pod. I would totally have ransomed the ship(that would have been worth it) but 50mil for a 2mil clone? Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit?
Ransoming ships is noobish. Only exception is Hulks. Ransoming pods in otherhand is very good since hey, you have your implants, (I heard even 0.0 residents use some nice implants every now and then) and old players have alot of skillpoints which cost alot to secure.
So, I would say... u fool.
Yours,
Shivalla
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Sutskop
PILSGESCHWADER Monkey Circus
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Posted - 2011.05.19 12:19:00 -
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A podkill induces a serious security penalty (unless they were -10 anyway), a pod rarely drops good loot and cannot really run away once pointed. So yes, ransoms are rather common.
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Gandalf theGay
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Posted - 2011.05.19 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Azhpol Really? Why not ransom the ship, people are alot more likely to pay a ransom to save a ship than just a clone, especially if you can see that they live in 0.0.
And just to jump on the butthurt comments, I lost a bomber full of skillbooks and bpos to a gatecamp in Amamake, then they tried to ransom the pod. I would totally have ransomed the ship(that would have been worth it) but 50mil for a 2mil clone? Any 0.0 pilot is ready to write off a clone(I would assume, since we deal with bubbles) so why bother? Are lowsec pirates really dumb enough not to look at the current alliance of a victim to see if its worth it?
Or am I fool to think that someone who tries to ransom me is actually looking for a good profit?
How in the name of homosexuality do you lose a covert ops frig in low sec? Were you jerking it to pictures of Gary Busey while you were on autopilot or something?
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Nemeron
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2011.05.19 16:28:00 -
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Think everyone is totally missing what happened here including the OP, The fact you got caught in a SB prolly means u only died to a smartbombing BS, Thus they had no chance to ransom your ship, In the confusion of losing a ship in low sec you never expected to lose or through lag your pod got pointed giving the only chance of a ransom possible.
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Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.19 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nemeron Think everyone is totally missing what happened here including the OP, The fact you got caught in a SB prolly means u only died to a smartbombing BS, Thus they had no chance to ransom your ship, In the confusion of losing a ship in low sec you never expected to lose or through lag your pod got pointed giving the only chance of a ransom possible.
It was a Loki and Arazu.
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