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CLETIS TEE
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Posted - 2011.05.20 03:44:00 -
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I have been very irritated lately with the sheer amount of crooks in places Like Jita/Dodixie. And have come up with a proposal to reduce the amount of these scammers.
1. Do not allow any trial accounts to talk in local 2. Limit the amount of text players that are under 2 months old can send in local in hubs.
Any other suggestions or support along these lines please feel free to post below.
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Rented
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Posted - 2011.05.20 03:56:00 -
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Upvote for not going frothing-at-the-mouth rage-induced overboard, but probally not a good idea. I doubt CCP wishes to risk alienating real new players, and a text limit would probally only serve to bring in even more scam accounts to make up the difference, hard to say.
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Duke Reprato
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Posted - 2011.05.20 04:10:00 -
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Im all for limiting scam/spam
Perhaps Instead of limits ccp could enforce temporary blocks on complaints perhaps even team up with 3rd party peeps that are already trying to spearhead this movement? ie: http://www.savejita.evezone.org/
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Voith
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Posted - 2011.05.20 06:03:00 -
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Edited by: Voith on 20/05/2011 06:03:38 CCP needs to stop dancing around the issue and embrace trade hubs. Put a fee to talk in local or loiter outside a station.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.20 10:19:00 -
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Originally by: Voith Edited by: Voith on 20/05/2011 06:03:38 CCP needs to stop dancing around the issue and embrace trade hubs. Put a fee to talk in local or loiter outside a station.
Do that, and the hubs will move.
Not supported, don't punish newbies.
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Leona Elum
Save Jita
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Posted - 2011.05.20 11:08:00 -
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Edited by: Leona Elum on 20/05/2011 11:09:46 Hi guys.
I had to refresh my memory on what a trial can/can't do before posting here, and here is a link for anyone else that wishes to do the same: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations
Originally by: CLETIS TEE 1. Do not allow any trial accounts to talk in local 2. Limit the amount of text players that are under 2 months old can send in local in hubs.
Restricting trial accounts too much may not be a good idea, I know myself how annoying it can be as a genuine new player. Perhaps add a limitation so trials can't post any links in chat or in BIO.
Another thing that could be done by CCP to reduce scams is to make it impossible to falsify/alter contract links.
That's my 2ISK. (Supports the discussion.)
Reduce the risk of getting scammed. BLOCK known scammers on list. Ignore their contracts for added security. [ IGB: www.savejita.evezone.org ] |
Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.20 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Leona Elum Edited by: Leona Elum on 20/05/2011 11:09:46 Hi guys.
I had to refresh my memory on what a trial can/can't do before posting here, and here is a link for anyone else that wishes to do the same: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations
Originally by: CLETIS TEE 1. Do not allow any trial accounts to talk in local 2. Limit the amount of text players that are under 2 months old can send in local in hubs.
Restricting trial accounts too much may not be a good idea, I know myself how annoying it can be as a genuine new player. Perhaps add a limitation so trials can't post any links in chat or in BIO.
Another thing that could be done by CCP to reduce scams is to make it impossible to falsify/alter contract links.
That's my 2ISK. (Supports the discussion.)
Scams are as much a part of EVE as ratting and pvp.
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Leona Elum
Save Jita
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: Leona Elum Edited by: Leona Elum on 20/05/2011 11:09:46 Hi guys.
I had to refresh my memory on what a trial can/can't do before posting here, and here is a link for anyone else that wishes to do the same: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Trial_account_limitations
Originally by: CLETIS TEE 1. Do not allow any trial accounts to talk in local 2. Limit the amount of text players that are under 2 months old can send in local in hubs.
Restricting trial accounts too much may not be a good idea, I know myself how annoying it can be as a genuine new player. Perhaps add a limitation so trials can't post any links in chat or in BIO.
Another thing that could be done by CCP to reduce scams is to make it impossible to falsify/alter contract links.
That's my 2ISK. (Supports the discussion.)
Scams are as much a part of EVE as ratting and pvp.
I'm sure there is a thread discussing that too somewhere.
Reduce the risk of getting scammed. BLOCK known scammers on list. Ignore their contracts for added security. [ IGB: www.savejita.evezone.org ] |
Vaju Katru
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Posted - 2011.05.20 13:53:00 -
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NOT SUPPORTED
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Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:16:00 -
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Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 20/05/2011 14:17:25
Originally by: Danika Princip
Scams are as much a part of EVE as ratting and pvp.
haahaha Danika, you really are the definition of 'the status quo' aren't you? But I love you for it.
I support any ideas for limiting scammers, as they clog up local, but I really cannot support a proposal to ban trial accounts from it. For all the reasons that others have already mentioned.
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Danika Princip
Minmatar Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kaelie Onren Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 20/05/2011 14:17:25
Originally by: Danika Princip
Scams are as much a part of EVE as ratting and pvp.
haahaha Danika, you really are the definition of 'the status quo' aren't you? But I love you for it.
I support any ideas for limiting scammers, as they clog up local, but I really cannot support a proposal to ban trial accounts from it. For all the reasons that others have already mentioned.
I've seen articles about EVE scams in the BBC news. Money cannot buy that kind of publicity. Literally, you can't buy an advert on the BBC. hell, the reason I started playing was because of one of those articles. Why ditch a great form of advertising?
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Kaelie Onren
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Posted - 2011.05.20 14:35:00 -
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Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 20/05/2011 14:37:12
Originally by: Danika Princip
Originally by: Kaelie Onren Edited by: Kaelie Onren on 20/05/2011 14:17:25
Originally by: Danika Princip
Scams are as much a part of EVE as ratting and pvp.
haahaha Danika, you really are the definition of 'the status quo' aren't you? But I love you for it.
I support any ideas for limiting scammers, as they clog up local, but I really cannot support a proposal to ban trial accounts from it. For all the reasons that others have already mentioned.
I've seen articles about EVE scams in the BBC news. Money cannot buy that kind of publicity. Literally, you can't buy an advert on the BBC. hell, the reason I started playing was because of one of those articles. Why ditch a great form of advertising?
Far be it for me to argue the merits of free publicity (I am a student of free capitalism after all) but if you want to go down that path of reasoning, I would put forth the notion that even if removed, the notoriety of EVE+Scams will live on forever, people will find new ways to scam that don't involve spamming local to the point of making it useless for actual chats, and finally I'm going to hazard a guess that not that many people join EVE because they want to take part in scams. :)
PS, I really didn't mean anything personal by the remark, please don't take it that way. It's just that you always seem to argue that things are fine the way they are.
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Mystical Might
Amarr The Imperial Fedaykin
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:57:00 -
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Scamming and backstabbing is part of the game. Learn to play eve... or learn to read. Either works.
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Val'Dore
Word Bearers of Chaos Word of Chaos Undivided
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:23:00 -
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Disable linking in Local period. Make people work to be scammed.
~No matter what happens, somebody will find a way to take it too seriously.~
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Tyme Xandr
Gallente Dark Circle Enforcement
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Posted - 2011.05.22 22:48:00 -
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They should just disable local in Jita. We dont need a chat channel there.
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Aiifa
Deep Stage THE-FEDERATION
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Posted - 2011.05.26 12:56:00 -
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I like something similar that could also reduce a little of the server load and the chat problem:
Instead of limiting just the trial accounts, reduce the text limit for everyone in the local chat of every system, and increase the time penalty between posts. All other conversation windows would have less strict controls.
When a system starts to lag, start blocking trial accounts from entering before paying accounts -- in fact, I'd consider blocking trial accounts from entering trade hubs and all heavily loaded systems altogether. There would be little point in an alternate trade hub springing up elsewhere then. There are roughly 1000 market manipulation alts in Jita 23.5/7, and that will be true of wherever becomes market #1.
Perhaps when the time dilation proposed by CCP is getting to ridiculous levels in a particular system, stop trial accounts from stressing that node altogether by not allowing them to log into or jump into systems on that node.
I'm not in favour of restrictions applied to accounts by age limit.
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LordElfa
Tri Corp Independent Faction
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Posted - 2011.05.26 15:46:00 -
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Edited by: LordElfa on 26/05/2011 15:46:27 The alts are the real problem here people. They offer something that EVE is not suppose to have, TRUE isk for zero risk. They use these throw away alts and trials and never leave their port which makes them impossible to get any kind of revenge against.
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Corina's Bodyguard
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Posted - 2011.05.26 16:44:00 -
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Do not support. Makes local discussion impossible for true new players.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.26 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mystical Might Scamming and backstabbing is part of the game. Learn to play eve... or learn to read. Either works.
Scamming by being smart is part of the game, should scamming by spamming a ****load, often enough using bots, really be part of the game? If yes, give us what is needed so we can make an ingame spam filter...
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Herping yourDerp
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:42:00 -
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simple. suspend or ban people that spam chats. and perma ban those who use Bots to spam chat.
i like scamming, stupid people should lose money. but if the same 3 people say the same things 20000 times an hour there is an issue.
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Ra's al Guhl
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Posted - 2011.05.26 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Ra''s al Guhl on 26/05/2011 21:29:54
Originally by: Furb Killer If yes, give us what is needed so we can make an ingame spam filter...
Right-click, block.
Honestly, it's not that hard, trade hub locals for me are pretty much silent.
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Odin Bannister
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Posted - 2011.05.27 12:32:00 -
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Edited by: Odin Bannister on 27/05/2011 12:38:48 Scams will always be a part of the EVE universe. I'm pretty sure CCP wants it that way as just another example of the whole "EVE's a hard universe, HTFU." That being said, I find it improbable that there is no way to communicate or share scammer information that is a bit more user friendly to the average pilot. Sort of like a New Eden BBB (Better Business Bureau)rating. I'd recommend a second 'public' rating for user interaction, similar to the existing standings indicator. It allows one value per user, updated maybe daily, so that when someone checks the user info, it has a reputation value, -10.0 to +10.0. Since each player can only provide one rating on another player i'd be hard to abuse. You can check that before you deal with someone. This rating can mean that a particular pilot would honor a pod ransom or not, to whether or not to believe any business dealings, depending on the pilot's profession. A pilot screws over a corp, it gives them some way of warning others, meaning that the potential scammer needs to balance his actions..get some good ratings to balance the bad...maybe some ratings fall off after a period of time to represent someone 'laying low' to let the heat die down before their next scam.
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2011.05.27 15:10:00 -
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Scams are a part of EVE...and nobody required you to look at local in Jita. If you're not scamming or look for a fail scam (I have made a pretty isk or too off people that got their contract backwards...hehe), then just ignore local in Jita. It's not like other games where the chat pane can't be minimized.
As for lag...the spam in a text channel doesn't come close to the amount of lag that next freighter warping in, so no argument there.
Scams have been removed from new player systems for a reason - Jita is a trade hub, where ALL forms of trade take place. It isn't as if when you dock your hangar bay fills with hawkers and giant text bubbles of contracts (I sure hope Incarna will not allow this down the road, that WOULD cause lag!)
Short of it is, just minimize local. It isn't like you were intending to have a conversation in it anyways. More importantly, unless CCP outlaws scams entirely (please don't I find them entertaining to watch when station trading) Local will never be a truly viable source for the spamming of legitimate contracts - which is why you have a powerful contract search tool at your disposal, complete with NO text box to deal with spam. What a thought! Genius!
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Windjammer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.27 18:06:00 -
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Seriously? IÆm a bitter old vet and even I donÆt support this. Scams are a part of EVE and always have been. ItÆs one of the things which add realism to the game. ItÆs not like local chats are full of intellectual discussions anyway.
I hate to use the phrase, ôif you donÆt like it, leaveö, but if you find yourself irritated by scams, you may have chosen the wrong game to play. EVE is PvP and that goes well beyond simple pew pew PvP. The PvP in market, contracts and scams is just as real as the shooting variety of PvP and arguably responsible for more isk movement than destroyed ships.
I donÆt care for scams and I donÆt hang with people that do, but I wonÆt ignore the fact that scams are an important part of EVE and the game would be less without them.
-Windjammer
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 04:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mystical Might Scamming and backstabbing is part of the game. Learn to play eve... or learn to read. Either works.
It's not getting scammed or even knowing how to read; it's the frakin' hosers spamming up local that ****es people off. All that you see in Jita is an occaisional, (1 in 500), legit statement/comment/snippet of conversation, a bunch of people warning about scams, and 98% of the rest is scams. And it roll's by at one message every 0.2 seconds. It is the most annoying, AGGRAVATING reason NOT TO PLAY EVE I've ever seen. ..and then you leave Jita or change to some other channel, and heave a sigh of relief.
Of course, you might want to take into account, that my main is in Jita, and I've not logged in for more than 2 minutes in the last 4 weeks. ..and that, about twice.
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Alias 6322A
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Posted - 2011.05.28 04:52:00 -
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Quote: It's not getting scammed or even knowing how to read; it's the frakin' hosers spamming up local that ****es people off. All that you see in Jita is an occaisional, (1 in 500), legit statement/comment/snippet of conversation, a bunch of people warning about scams, and 98% of the rest is scams. And it roll's by at one message every 0.2 seconds. It is the most annoying, AGGRAVATING reason NOT TO PLAY EVE I've ever seen. ..and then you leave Jita or change to some other channel, and heave a sigh of relief.
Which is why there is Help Chat. Or Recruitment. Or your own private channel. Or best: minimize chat. Seriously, if this is your only legitimate reason for being angry about scams, how on earth do you handle spammers in other channels? Oh wait...block...hmm, ever thought about using that on these guys? Believe it or not, scammers don't replace their characters like RMT does, or not at the same rate anyhow. You obviously dislike them and thus will never talk to them, just block them and presto you have a clean local.
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Mars Theran
Caldari EVE Rogues EVE Rogues Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.28 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Alias 6322A
Quote: It's not getting scammed or even knowing how to read; it's the frakin' hosers spamming up local that ****es people off. All that you see in Jita is an occaisional, (1 in 500), legit statement/comment/snippet of conversation, a bunch of people warning about scams, and 98% of the rest is scams. And it roll's by at one message every 0.2 seconds. It is the most annoying, AGGRAVATING reason NOT TO PLAY EVE I've ever seen. ..and then you leave Jita or change to some other channel, and heave a sigh of relief.
Which is why there is Help Chat. Or Recruitment. Or your own private channel. Or best: minimize chat. Seriously, if this is your only legitimate reason for being angry about scams, how on earth do you handle spammers in other channels? Oh wait...block...hmm, ever thought about using that on these guys? Believe it or not, scammers don't replace their characters like RMT does, or not at the same rate anyhow. You obviously dislike them and thus will never talk to them, just block them and presto you have a clean local.
Logging into Jita and seeing local, causing me to lose all interest in playing EVE for the day is reason enough. Obviously, you haven't spent much time in local in Jita. The messages role by so fast you have to scroll up to block them, and they just keep bumping, and you can't block anyhow. That, and there are so many scammers, you'd fill your block list in an hour or two at least, probably 20 minutes or less in reality.
Local is auto on log in btw. Help Chat? What for? ..so I can get unrealistic or biased advice? Kind of like what I find here actually; which is why I keep telling you all to **** off.
Dislike them? Hardly, I could care less and have no idea who they are. Thought has occured to me that scamming is a perfect way of laundering RMT ISK though, or better yet, delivering it. So yeah, some of them could be RMT's, a lot of them are just inconsiderate jerks who have attained unprecedented levels of nerdom. Some are obviously on drugs or alcohol, or both, while others claim to be and aren't. Most are relatively intelligent, while lacking any sense or decency, (like most other players in EVE), while some are obviously lacking in real intelligence, and others are too smart for their own good. Most, think they're smarter than everyone else, while actually being of considerably average intelligence.
I talk at them sometimes, and sometimes they actually respond, but usually I consider this a bad ssign, as I'm probably being blocked by everybody in Jita local for talking at/to them in the first place. It becomes talking to when they respond you know, following which any response on your part makes you onbe of them in everybody elses eyes. Did I mention people are stupid. It shows when they jump to conclusions or assume you are doing/thinking something they somehow stereotype to you in a single two sentence conversation.
I might not stick around much anyhow, being as EVE has become something it wasn't when I started playing. Nothing to do with the Dev's; it's actually strictly a playerbase issue. See, the thing of it is, most of you are *******s, and I don't like you much. Not everybody, but the ones that aren't are too few, and dropping like flies everyday. They don't want to play this game with you, any more than I do. Go figure.
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