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Vaylent PrinterOne
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:17:00 -
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******ed hypothetical; if you had to transport a 700 mil (low m3) cargo 18 jumps to or around Jita, and you wanted to do it AFK, how much EHP would you want before you had peace of mind?
Get some things out of the way - I know it's an unnecessary risk to afk it, but you don't realize how lazy I am some days - No freighters, Orcas, or blockade runners - Speed and capacity are MOSTLY irrelevant - Tech 1 ship hulls only; trying to do this cheap
In short, what's the highest EHP you can get with TECH 1 ship hulls?
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Zaxix
Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:24:00 -
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It's freighter or fly ATK. If you are AFK with 700mill in any ship smaller/weaker than a freighter, you will definitely get popped. Period. |
RavenPaine
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: RavenPaine on 20/05/2011 15:41:22 What you will want is a passive fit, good resists, BS. Rokh could be good with tank in the mids and Cargo expanders in the lows. Drake might do a similar job for cheaper. And you could duel tank either of them. AFK means you wont be activating any Damage Controls or Hardners.
Add Edit: 100,000 EHP @ 60% resists would take 15+ Tempests to Alpha.
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2011.05.20 15:49:00 -
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Sounds like you wanna AFK haul a T3? Anyhoo...
[Dominix, Haul] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:03:00 -
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Equally ******ed (but never the less true) answer: I wouldn't.
The combination of requirements you post would make me choose some other solution where one or more of those requirements were gone. The simplest one would be contracting through a reliable third party.
Without the restrictions in place, the answer is simple: Orca, not AFK. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Vaylent PrinterOne
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:13:00 -
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This is really just an EFT warrior exercise in EHP for t1 hulls with no active mods.
Industrial is around ~200k EHP at all Vs. Average pilot could fit an Abaddon to just about match this.
Looks like, in order of awesome, 1 per faction - Abaddon - Megathron - Typhoon - Cald just kinda suck here, all around
With my skills i'm getting 157k ehp in a megathron. Despite having caldari battleship V, I can't get the Rohk above 130k. Sadness.
I guess when it comes down to it, I just need to train an Orca for this kind of crap.
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Vaylent PrinterOne
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:24:00 -
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Just to put things in perspective, I would never do this fully AFK.
Idea here is that i'm busy missioning on one account on a separate machine. When I buy something valuable from my LP store I contract it to my alt account that's in station. These are always going to be small volume but very high value items.
That alt autopilots its way to Jita while I continue to mission, saving me a crap load of time and letting me continue to print ISK.
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stoicfaux
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.20 16:36:00 -
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Edited by: stoicfaux on 20/05/2011 16:37:22
Originally by: Vaylent PrinterOne
Industrial is around ~200k EHP at all Vs.
Eh? You mean freighters, right?
Quote: Despite having caldari battleship V, I can't get the Rohk above 130k. Sadness.
[Rokh, 164k EHP Passive] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
edit: Oddly enough, you can also use Shield Extender rigs to get 164k EHP.
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Saile Litestrider
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Vaylent PrinterOne Idea here is that i'm busy missioning on one account on a separate machine. When I buy something valuable from my LP store I contract it to my alt account that's in station. These are always going to be small volume but very high value items.
That alt autopilots its way to Jita while I continue to mission, saving me a crap load of time and letting me continue to print ISK.
Probably the best strategy for this, in my opinion, is to simply fit the alt with a cargo expanded frigate, nano hauler, or some other fast-warping ship with a cloak fitted, then whenever you're warping or otherwise have some dead time on the missioning account, tab over and make a jump or two. If you're in 0.5 systems or other gank-likely situations, you can cloak up while you clear a wave or two for added safety. A cargo expanded covops would likely be ideal if you can get your cargo to fit in it, tab over, warp to gate, jump, cloak up, tab back and kill another wave.
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Vaylent PrinterOne
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Posted - 2011.05.20 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: stoicfaux Edited by: stoicfaux on 20/05/2011 16:37:22
Originally by: Vaylent PrinterOne
Industrial is around ~200k EHP at all Vs.
Eh? You mean freighters, right?
Quote: Despite having caldari battleship V, I can't get the Rohk above 130k. Sadness.
[Rokh, 164k EHP Passive] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Heat Dissipation Amplifier II
[empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot]
Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
edit: Oddly enough, you can also use Shield Extender rigs to get 164k EHP.
I thought resistance amps were a waste of time, I was wrong!
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.20 18:44:00 -
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[Abaddon, 229k EHP]
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot]
Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I Large Trimark Armor Pump I
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robocpf1
Minmatar B.O.O.M Obsidian Mining Coalition
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:04:00 -
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Step 1) Get in a cargo expanded T1 hauler
Step 2) Put two assembled Giant Secure Containers in the hauler, name one "PLEXes" and the other "Faction Mods"
Step 3) AFK Autopilot into Jita
On a serious note, yeah you're probably looking at a battleship with huge tank. I would go Shield instead of Armor, because of the passive regenerative ability.
As for me, personally, I would use the above sneaky suggestion of a small, discreet, cloaked ship. Then again, since I have a Blockade Runner, that's not a problem. Some good suggestions in this thread ^.
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achoura
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:46:00 -
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Tbh 700 afk shoudl simply be in a freighter if afk. True, bs can exceed the ehp of a freighter but scanners are so used to people putting daft amounts of isk in ships because they assume they're safe that they'll assume the bs is equally fit and almost certainly take a shot at it. There's a good chance an attempt would fail but if it's in a .5 then there's a chance that won't If you were in a freighter they wouldn't even make an attempt.
Iirc it'as got to be 1.5 for it to even be worth considering (only contract work) but for random ganks it's 4-5bil minimum before the drop, after destroyed loot, is worth the organisation and outlay and even than it's pushing it. 700m isn't exactly a lot of isk any who. People who gank freighter tend to be quite wealthy, people who gank bs tend not to care.
Also (since everyone efting rather than using their brains) Orca corp hanger is 40km3. Orcas corp hanger cannot be scanned. An orca cannot match a freighter ehp, ~2/3, hence stops armatures however it really does rely on discretion, so I hope you're using an alt Also it's the onyl high sec ship that can afk drugs ***The EVE servers and their patches***
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Aamrr
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Posted - 2011.05.20 19:49:00 -
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Originally by: achoura Also it's the onyl high sec ship that can afk drugs
This was an exploit and has been fixed. You will now be apprehended by customs appropriately.
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Wyke Mossari
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.20 20:21:00 -
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Red Frog it.
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.20 20:26:00 -
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jump freighters ftw , tanks a lot and carries a lot and still faster than noobs freighters best is matar btw , who thought?:O
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Debrie
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Posted - 2011.05.20 20:42:00 -
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dont really fit OPosters criteria
but passive fit dual tanked occator , decently fast 80% all resists and 60% hull and more EHP than a Domi :p
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Naomi Knight
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.20 20:47:00 -
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Originally by: Debrie dont really fit OPosters criteria
but passive fit dual tanked occator , decently fast 80% all resists and 60% hull and more EHP than a Domi :p
well ops criteria only left us with shuttles and ibis, so just ignore that as the rest of us
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Centus Commander
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Posted - 2011.05.20 20:49:00 -
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Just use something you won't get scanned in, like any battleship or battlecruiser will work
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Aqriue
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:33:00 -
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Edited by: Aqriue on 20/05/2011 22:35:12
Originally by: Vaylent PrinterOne Just to put things in perspective, I would never do this fully AFK.
Idea here is that i'm busy missioning on one account on a separate machine. When I buy something valuable from my LP store I contract it to my alt account that's in station. These are always going to be small volume but very high value items.
That alt autopilots its way to Jita while I continue to mission, saving me a crap load of time and letting me continue to print ISK.
No, you don't save time. One popped ship = less when what you could of made if you manually WTZ every gate in a tanked ship and actually make it to Jita. Get an orca, save up isk, spend isk, set some time aside, and move the entire lot to Jita in one go inside the corp hangar. I moved 6 billion in goods in one trip which was slow and no one was the wiser, this was manual with alot of jumps to pick it up. AFK is just as safe, you cannot scan corp hangars. Pretty sure people undock in Orcas with billions in the hold everyday and don't loose it, why chance it because you were lazy?
edit: forgot to add, my first couple weeks I got popped for AFKing in an industrial with a retriever BPC, they thought it was a BPO. Now there are icons, but people will pop you just one off chance they might score. If they don't, no loss for them but for trying while you loose millions being lazy.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.20 22:47:00 -
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Also, the Orca isn't actually a slow ship if you're at the keyboard. Yes, it warps at 2.7 AU/s compared to the normal 3.0, but that's such a small difference in the tiny highsec systems that you'll never notice, and if you actually fly the ship manually, it gets into warp in 10sà much like everything else out there that isn't a cruiser or a blockade runner.
So all it does is cost a bit of money and require a few odd skills (unless you tried mining at an early stage in your character's life). ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
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Posted - 2011.05.21 01:30:00 -
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Just skip all this silliness and courier contract it to me. I'll haul it safe and sound for you, because I like you. And since we are good friends now, we can just skip the collateral/reward section of the contract, to save time.
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Versuvius Marii
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Posted - 2011.05.21 04:18:00 -
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Edited by: Versuvius Marii on 21/05/2011 04:19:14 A small point to make: it doesn't really matter what EHP you're packing. If someone is determined to kill you in high sec and risk concord intervention(and knows how to go about it of course), you WILL die. There's no avoiding it. Professional suicide squads know their art and will only engage if they are confident of a profit. ============= The People's Vivi - the blog of a high-sec carebear with dodgy teeth. ============= |
caldarichecker
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Posted - 2011.05.21 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Versuvius Marii Edited by: Versuvius Marii on 21/05/2011 04:19:14 A small point to make: it doesn't really matter what EHP you're packing. If someone is determined to kill you in high sec and risk concord intervention(and knows how to go about it of course), you WILL die. There's no avoiding it. Professional suicide squads know their art and will only engage if they are confident of a profit.
Which is why an Orca is generally a safe bet, stuff in the corp hanger will never drop so there is no potential for profit, yeah if someone wants to pop you for the lulz nothing will save you but the pros will most likely leave you be and keep their powder dry for a freighter that will drop enough to cover their costs and provide a profit.
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.05.21 08:09:00 -
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Assuming that your cargo permits this, I'd hide the cargo by putting it in GSCs and then putting the GSCs inside a courier contract. Then only the GSCs would be visible on scan results. EHP then becomes more or less irrelevant, as very few people would gank you without having any idea whether you were hauling anything valuable. I've had GM confirmation that this is not an exploit.
Alternatively, obfuscate by hauling a large number of of bookmarks / stacks of 1 trit / assorted salvage / PI material. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
Concubinia Scarlett
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Posted - 2011.05.21 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Assuming that your cargo permits this, I'd hide the cargo by putting it in GSCs and then putting the GSCs inside a courier contract. Then only the GSCs would be visible on scan results. EHP then becomes more or less irrelevant, as very few people would gank you without having any idea whether you were hauling anything valuable. I've had GM confirmation that this is not an exploit.
Alternatively, obfuscate by hauling a large number of of bookmarks / stacks of 1 trit / assorted salvage / PI material.
^^ Pretty much exactly what he said. Place expensive items in can. Trade can to alt. Make courier contract with can to main character. Stick courier package in cargo hold, fly to destination, when ship is scanned it only shows the can. Complete contract and trade/contract back to main (or just fail it and unwrap) Profit??
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Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro Assuming that your cargo permits this, I'd hide the cargo by putting it in GSCs and then putting the GSCs inside a courier contract. Then only the GSCs would be visible on scan results. EHP then becomes more or less irrelevant, as very few people would gank you without having any idea whether you were hauling anything valuable. I've had GM confirmation that this is not an exploit.
Alternatively, obfuscate by hauling a large number of of bookmarks / stacks of 1 trit / assorted salvage / PI material.
I was hoping no one would mention this.
Depending on what you are hauling your doublewrapped package in, like a tech 1 indy, someone still might take a stab at it. The fact that you worked hard to hide it is evidence it is valuable. ---
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Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles
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Posted - 2011.05.21 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Kazuo Ishiguro on 21/05/2011 15:35:20
Originally by: Wannabehero Depending on what you are hauling your doublewrapped package in, like a tech 1 indy, someone still might take a stab at it. The fact that you worked hard to hide it is evidence it is valuable.
This is something I haven't tested myself, but I've heard reports that if you do this, none of the cargo drops. Can anyone confirm / deny?
Also, this is a common technique when setting public courier contracts, to make it a bit harder for the courier to see what they're hauling; it does not guarantee the presence of highly valuable cargo. At any rate, it's common enough that RF advise their customers not to do this when they're at war.
Incidentally, I was the original author of this article, before CCP deleted it and replaced it with a suitably expurgated version. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression |
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