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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:53:00 -
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Another thread reminded me to ask this.
Uh yeah.
I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment.
Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip.
The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D.
I said to him that would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses.
I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh. I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone.
I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts. Thanks. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2649
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:55:00 -
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I've heard of PvP-phobia, but this sounds like a very severe case. Normally I would recommend having the carebear fly a throwaway ship and get used to watching explosions, but you already tried that to no avail.
Recommendation: Attack him yourself, blow up his ship. Some birds need to be pushed out of the nest.
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Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
999
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:56:00 -
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You can give me some therapy.. =( |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
834
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:58:00 -
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Let him enjoy EVE in his own way, eventually he'll grow wealthy off pve content but also bored with it, in my opinion that's the time to introduce him to PVP. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Riot Girl
Riot Club
69
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:59:00 -
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Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship. |
Togg Bott
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:05:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.
this is actually a good idea to try with him/her. make sure he/she is in a throwaway clone as well cause people will sometimes ragequit over losing a billion+ isk clone. then send him to The Open University of Celestial Hardship (OUCH) for survival training. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
11
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:07:00 -
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Quote:You can give me some therapy.. =(
Me too, I like my flagships, all of them. I don't buy ships to blow them up. Blowing up Is stupid, because i would have to buy another one, and another one, and another... |
Jaison Savrin
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
37
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:07:00 -
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Why does he need to PvP? If he enjoys what he is doing then he enjoys it. Let him do his thing. If he gets to a point that he wants to branch out and try other things then offer to show him PvP. Until then let him have fun in the ships he likes and do what he wants with them. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2392
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:08:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.
Excellent strategy. The only thing to add would be to make sure you blow up his shiney ship whether he makes good on losing the 20 Rifters or not.
It's for his own good, as ship loss is inevitable in this game (unless you never undock). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:09:00 -
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Heh. Yeah, I'll try.
I already left him alone long enough by the way. We're talking about a year or two, and nothing changed.
Just a reminder, you can't gank what never undocks ;).
But I will see that I get him to fly Rifters or something, and if I must shove it down his throat.
Quote:You can give me some therapy.. =( Damn, can't find my L word for Eve ships pic. ;D
Never mind. Make an appointment with my secretary (who would be me).
No seriously now. I just thought there was some work around with this. There is a lot of fun to be had but the more I see him in that state, the more it is burning me to push him over the edge to go swim. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1130
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:11:00 -
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My first instinct was to post what James 315 did, so instead I'll try a different idea. :)
Get him to come to you in a "safe spot" somewhere and test your tank for you. Tell him you want to see how well your armor repair works or how cap stable it is or some such nonsense. Offer to pay for his ammo if need be.
Then after a few of those, see if he'll do a mock duel with you - agree to stop at structure or something suitably honorable with no permanent loss.
Or, try a T1 frigate tournament in your corp. That always gets the non-pvp, but semi-pvp-curious types interested when there is a goal and some competition to be had, but no loss of pride when you assplode.
Failing all of that, yeah, blow him up yourself :)
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2650
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:13:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:My first instinct was to post what James 315 did, That feeling...hold onto it...
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
830
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:13:00 -
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Well, it's easy.
You need to tell him that you need his help.
Appeal to his need to be your friend. "Man, I REALLY NEED YOU to help me move this industrial freighter full of 100B ISK in stuff in Low/Null sec, you're the only person I can trust with this. Please help me!"
And then tell him you need him to scout, and make sure you have a mock fight ready setup with another friend that Mr uberCarebear can win in his crap fit scout ship.
Then if he wins the fight and doesn't get the PVP bug, then nothing will.
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:15:00 -
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Jaison Savrin wrote:Why does he need to PvP? If he enjoys what he is doing then he enjoys it. Let him do his thing. If he gets to a point that he wants to branch out and try other things then offer to show him PvP. Until then let him have fun in the ships he likes and do what he wants with them.
I know what you mean. Using force is counter-productive, but I'm really insisting to get him the taste of things, for the sake of his RL money.
There are just a few things that contradict the logic. Because a) He likes pvp, and pvp'ed more than enough with me in WoW, b) It is not asking for much - and I have who load of reasons that exceeds the amount of alphabets.
But one thing I forgot to mention, aside to sticking to the ships - it is not just that:
He is also not insisting to look at Lowsec. You can do PVE in Lowsec and 0.0 too of course. It is also more challenging and fun. Not to mention that I want to go visit and do Lowsec/0.0 team ups with him but "he ain't movin'" ;-/, hence my search on ways to get him get the feeling.
He is also more of a Medic-player, but he is not insisting to do that either with internetz speez shipz. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Karn Dulake
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
837
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:17:00 -
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100% of all EVE players suffer from PvP phobia they just dont admit it which is why
1. Blobs exist 2. Players only wardec weaker corps/alliances 3. Nobody ever fights ever unless they are certain that they are going to win.
Tell him to join a highsec baddass merc corp then he can blob month old retriever pilots all day.
Hope that helps :) I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
834
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:18:00 -
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EVE's harsh death penalty can be very hard to overcome, especially for some who are accustomed to playing games where one spends many hours acquiring items which one keeps when they died. To come from a lifetime of games like that into one that makes you work just as hard if not harder to get stuff, then takes it away if you lose, isn't very fun for some people, and naturally creates an aversion to risk just like one would experience in real life under similar circumstances. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:18:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Well, it's easy. You need to tell him that you need his help. Appeal to his need to be your friend. "Man, I REALLY NEED YOU to help me move this industrial freighter full of 100B ISK in stuff in Low/Null sec, you're the only person I can trust with this. Please help me!" And then tell him you need him to scout, and make sure you have a mock fight ready setup with another friend that Mr uberCarebear can win in his crap fit scout ship. Then if he wins the fight and doesn't get the PVP bug, then nothing will.
Hehe, okay I see where everybody is going with this.
I doubt I should blow him up -- but the OMG BRO, I NEED YOUR HELP, LIKE RIGHT NOW! seems to be a good start. In fact, that is a good idea to start with. Thanks.
edit:
he is also in a more or less dead corp nobody is insisting to wardec. While that may be cool for pve'ers, he is not doing anything fancy in the PVE area to even enjoy that either. :-/ confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
3
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:22:00 -
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Link him to youtube videos of pvp fights. Even when all I ever did was mine, I still enjoyed watching pvp fights others had frapsed and put up. Eventually he might want to try it for himself. Since you mentioned 0.0, try to find some fights with capitals, those usually make an impression with people who've never left highsec. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2393
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:24:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:100% of all EVE players suffer from PvP phobia they just dont admit it which is why
1. Blobs exist 2. Players only wardec weaker corps/alliances 3. Nobody ever fights ever unless they are certain that they are going to win.
Tell him to join a highsec baddass merc corp then he can blob month old retriever pilots all day.
Hope that helps :) RvB would like to have a word with you. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2070
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:25:00 -
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Cheap t1 frigates. Best fun for your money. |
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Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
905
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:31:00 -
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Deena Amaj wrote:Another thread reminded me to ask this. Uh yeah. I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment. Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip. The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D. I said to him that I would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses. I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh. I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone. I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts. Thanks.
Who's paying for his account? Are you paying for it? If not then let him play his game the way he wants to play it, it's his money that he is paying for that account with and he has every right to enjoy his game however he wants. Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Maybe his endgame is simply collecting well-fitted ships. Trying to force a certain playstyle "down his throat" is just going to generate resentment on some level, perhaps to the point of him unsubbing or even dropping you as a friend.
In my own life if someone were to try to mess with how I play my game, be it EvE, tic-tac-toe, whatever, I'd tell them to go fk themselves, this is MY game, go play your own. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
215
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:33:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I've heard of PvP-phobia, but this sounds like a very severe case. Normally I would recommend having the carebear fly a throwaway ship and get used to watching explosions, but you already tried that to no avail. Recommendation: Attack him yourself, blow up his ship. Some birds need to be pushed out of the nest.
I had pvp-phobia my 1st year of playing, I just ran mission after mission after mission and join a mission running corp lol. A corpmate invited me to go roaming with him and 3 real life friends who were in BoB and even gave me a Brutix fit and some mods. off we went and it was a blast, we ended up skirmishing with 3 different small gangs and winning or at least getting away.
Then we encountered a gang From IRC and started fighting on a gate, and a thanatos warped in. Not only my 1st roam, but my 1st time laying eyes on a capital ship, made my Brutix (which to me as a noob as a HUGE ship) look like pebble on the beach lol. I died and got podded, but the infection set in and I've been pvping and flying around null ever sense.
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Jim Era
HARD KNOCKS CORP
2012
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:36:00 -
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You should invite him on a mission or something with you. And
BLOW THE **** OUT OF HIS SHIPS
Teach him loss. Show him pain. Make him wish he were never cloned.
Show him that its no hard feelings, and that is just how EVE works. If he can't deal with that, then you should make sure to post the previous conversation on the forums so that we can all laugh at him. Also make sure to call him a *****.
*if everything has not worked and he still has not had any adjustment of the positioning of his balls. Talk about how his ships are pieces of **** and that your tiny ~cruiser, destroyer~ w/e that is decent yet smaller than his, is better than his. (Exaggerate if necessary)
Wave your **** like its bigger than his, and you will soon be met by his waving ****. I
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:41:00 -
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Quote:
Who's paying for his account? Are you paying for it? If not then let him play his game the way he wants to play it, it's his money that he is paying for that account with and he has every right to enjoy his game however he wants. Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Maybe his endgame is simply collecting well-fitted ships. Trying to force a certain playstyle "down his throat" is just going to generate resentment on some level, perhaps to the point of him unsubbing or even dropping you as a friend.
In my own life if someone were to try to mess with how I play my game, be it EvE, tic-tac-toe, whatever, I'd tell them to go fk themselves, this is MY game, go play your own.
I thought a post like this wouldn't show up after all, hehe. Allow me to clarify.
He's paying for it. But we're buddies, pracically buddies you may say - so in that case I must say "The Emperor protects", meaning I don't want him wasting cash. Pretty much a "help me, help you" thing.
Please don't confuse irony and metaphorical quotes of mine with reality. Likewise, people suggesting to drag him somewhere and blow him up is likewise counterproductive.
But as I said aleady, he's been a year or two now into the game and he is pretty much just skilling up for nothing. If he wants go pve, I'm fine with that, but I want to guide him so that afterwards he doesn't say "DAMN, I SHOULD NOT HAVE PUT SO MANY SPs INTO INDUSTRY!".
So in that case, in style of a PSA, please refrain from those worries as stated in the post I just quoted. Nobody is forcing anybody, so I must do say in a normal tone: "Calm down". It is not as extreme as you perceive it.
I would have deep-throated him with frigs long time ago, and I already said I offered ships to lose, but that did not work. But I am certain I need to show him some things or actually get him the feeling that there is more to enjoy in the game.
Not to forget, Eve pvp is very genuine and many people around the globe don't even perceive it. Broadening one's horizon won't do harm.
But as said before, I will insist to ask him for his assistance on a Lowsec area, where we are likely to get blown up. Perhaps we can counter any gank assaults (somewhat), too.
edit: damn copypaste :D confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Abannan
Moira. Villore Accords
26
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:43:00 -
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Tell him to leave the shiney flagship docked up, grab a frigate + t2 fit for 7 million isk and go and get it blown up. Rinse and repeat |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:48:00 -
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Deena Amaj wrote:Quote:
Who's paying for his account? Are you paying for it? If not then let him play his game the way he wants to play it, it's his money that he is paying for that account with and he has every right to enjoy his game however he wants. Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Maybe his endgame is simply collecting well-fitted ships. Trying to force a certain playstyle "down his throat" is just going to generate resentment on some level, perhaps to the point of him unsubbing or even dropping you as a friend.
In my own life if someone were to try to mess with how I play my game, be it EvE, tic-tac-toe, whatever, I'd tell them to go fk themselves, this is MY game, go play your own.
I thought a post like this wouldn't show up after all, hehe. Allow me to clarify. He's paying for it. But we're buddies, pracically RL buddies you may say - so in that case I must say "The Emperor protects", meaning I don't want him wasting cash. Pretty much a "help me, help you" thing. Please don't confuse irony and metaphorical quotes of mine with reality. Likewise, people suggesting to drag him somewhere and blow him up is likewise counterproductive. But as I said aleady, he's been a year or two now into the game and he is pretty much just skilling up for nothing. If he wants go pve, I'm fine with that, but I want to guide him so that afterwards he doesn't say "DAMN, I SHOULD NOT HAVE PUT SO MANY SPs INTO INDUSTRY!". So in that case, in style of a PSA, please refrain from those worries as stated in the post I just quoted. Nobody is forcing anybody, so I must do say in a normal tone: "Calm down". It is not as extreme as you perceive it. I would have deep-throated him with frigs long time ago, and I already said I offered ships to lose, but that did not work. But I am certain I need to show him some things or actually get him the feeling that there is more to enjoy in the game. Not to forget, Eve pvp is very genuine and many people around the globe don't even perceive it. Broadening one's horizon won't do harm. But as said before, I will insist to ask him for his assistance on a Lowsec area, where we are likely to get blown up. Perhaps we can counter any gank assaults (somewhat), too. edit: damn copypaste :D
Sounds like your friend has a mind of his own.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
977
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:52:00 -
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Maybe he just does not like stress. PvP causes stress and some people just cannot tolerate it very well, and certainly do not enjoy it. If this is the case, all attempts to get him to like PvP will most likely fail. His saying he does not want to lose the ship may be his way of acknowledging his dislike of stress. Its not the loss of pixels that is the the issue, but the stress of the experience. You try to force a stressful experience on him, and you may lose a friend forever.
But you may be able to explain to him that in high sec the chances of losing a ship are so small that he can undock and do stuff. Try for the opposite of a PvP experience, try and keep the stress as low as possible. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2393
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:53:00 -
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Quote:Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences.
Not so much. EVE is all about not respecting peoples recreational preferences. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:54:00 -
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Don't need to do the math on that.
We talk. And I won't be doing any secret bullcrap like some may assume either :). If he doesn't want to come along, no problem.
Right now, it is all just about finding ideas on where to go with somebody as a wingman who never did this before.
Trolling bait tactics and or philosophical questions as the one above won't help much either if I were as aggressive as some think I were.
Yet. To reiterate, inviting him along on a Lowsec/0.0 run (though lowsec is obviously the smarter one) is a good idea. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2071
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:59:00 -
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Get a frigate and fit a warp scrambler and a Micro-warpdrive orafterburner. Everything else is an optional extra.
Total cost will be under a mil if you go cheap. |
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