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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:53:00 -
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Another thread reminded me to ask this.
Uh yeah.
I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment.
Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip.
The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D.
I said to him that would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses.
I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh. I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone.
I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts. Thanks. confirthisposmed
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2649
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:55:00 -
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I've heard of PvP-phobia, but this sounds like a very severe case. Normally I would recommend having the carebear fly a throwaway ship and get used to watching explosions, but you already tried that to no avail.
Recommendation: Attack him yourself, blow up his ship. Some birds need to be pushed out of the nest.
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Kiandoshia
Gnampf Inc.
999
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:56:00 -
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You can give me some therapy.. =( |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
834
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:58:00 -
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Let him enjoy EVE in his own way, eventually he'll grow wealthy off pve content but also bored with it, in my opinion that's the time to introduce him to PVP. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Riot Girl
Riot Club
69
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Posted - 2012.09.06 16:59:00 -
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Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship. |
Togg Bott
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
50
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:05:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.
this is actually a good idea to try with him/her. make sure he/she is in a throwaway clone as well cause people will sometimes ragequit over losing a billion+ isk clone. then send him to The Open University of Celestial Hardship (OUCH) for survival training. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
11
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:07:00 -
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Quote:You can give me some therapy.. =(
Me too, I like my flagships, all of them. I don't buy ships to blow them up. Blowing up Is stupid, because i would have to buy another one, and another one, and another... |
Jaison Savrin
Dragon's Rage Ethereal Dawn
37
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:07:00 -
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Why does he need to PvP? If he enjoys what he is doing then he enjoys it. Let him do his thing. If he gets to a point that he wants to branch out and try other things then offer to show him PvP. Until then let him have fun in the ships he likes and do what he wants with them. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2392
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:08:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.
Excellent strategy. The only thing to add would be to make sure you blow up his shiney ship whether he makes good on losing the 20 Rifters or not.
It's for his own good, as ship loss is inevitable in this game (unless you never undock). To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:09:00 -
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Heh. Yeah, I'll try.
I already left him alone long enough by the way. We're talking about a year or two, and nothing changed.
Just a reminder, you can't gank what never undocks ;).
But I will see that I get him to fly Rifters or something, and if I must shove it down his throat.
Quote:You can give me some therapy.. =( Damn, can't find my L word for Eve ships pic. ;D
Never mind. Make an appointment with my secretary (who would be me).
No seriously now. I just thought there was some work around with this. There is a lot of fun to be had but the more I see him in that state, the more it is burning me to push him over the edge to go swim. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
1130
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:11:00 -
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My first instinct was to post what James 315 did, so instead I'll try a different idea. :)
Get him to come to you in a "safe spot" somewhere and test your tank for you. Tell him you want to see how well your armor repair works or how cap stable it is or some such nonsense. Offer to pay for his ammo if need be.
Then after a few of those, see if he'll do a mock duel with you - agree to stop at structure or something suitably honorable with no permanent loss.
Or, try a T1 frigate tournament in your corp. That always gets the non-pvp, but semi-pvp-curious types interested when there is a goal and some competition to be had, but no loss of pride when you assplode.
Failing all of that, yeah, blow him up yourself :)
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James 315
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
2650
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:13:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:My first instinct was to post what James 315 did, That feeling...hold onto it...
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Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
830
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:13:00 -
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Well, it's easy.
You need to tell him that you need his help.
Appeal to his need to be your friend. "Man, I REALLY NEED YOU to help me move this industrial freighter full of 100B ISK in stuff in Low/Null sec, you're the only person I can trust with this. Please help me!"
And then tell him you need him to scout, and make sure you have a mock fight ready setup with another friend that Mr uberCarebear can win in his crap fit scout ship.
Then if he wins the fight and doesn't get the PVP bug, then nothing will.
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:15:00 -
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Jaison Savrin wrote:Why does he need to PvP? If he enjoys what he is doing then he enjoys it. Let him do his thing. If he gets to a point that he wants to branch out and try other things then offer to show him PvP. Until then let him have fun in the ships he likes and do what he wants with them.
I know what you mean. Using force is counter-productive, but I'm really insisting to get him the taste of things, for the sake of his RL money.
There are just a few things that contradict the logic. Because a) He likes pvp, and pvp'ed more than enough with me in WoW, b) It is not asking for much - and I have who load of reasons that exceeds the amount of alphabets.
But one thing I forgot to mention, aside to sticking to the ships - it is not just that:
He is also not insisting to look at Lowsec. You can do PVE in Lowsec and 0.0 too of course. It is also more challenging and fun. Not to mention that I want to go visit and do Lowsec/0.0 team ups with him but "he ain't movin'" ;-/, hence my search on ways to get him get the feeling.
He is also more of a Medic-player, but he is not insisting to do that either with internetz speez shipz. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Karn Dulake
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
837
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:17:00 -
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100% of all EVE players suffer from PvP phobia they just dont admit it which is why
1. Blobs exist 2. Players only wardec weaker corps/alliances 3. Nobody ever fights ever unless they are certain that they are going to win.
Tell him to join a highsec baddass merc corp then he can blob month old retriever pilots all day.
Hope that helps :) I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion. |
Paul Oliver
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
834
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:18:00 -
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EVE's harsh death penalty can be very hard to overcome, especially for some who are accustomed to playing games where one spends many hours acquiring items which one keeps when they died. To come from a lifetime of games like that into one that makes you work just as hard if not harder to get stuff, then takes it away if you lose, isn't very fun for some people, and naturally creates an aversion to risk just like one would experience in real life under similar circumstances. "Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must undergo the fatigues of supporting it." - Thomas Paine |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:18:00 -
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Bloodpetal wrote:Well, it's easy. You need to tell him that you need his help. Appeal to his need to be your friend. "Man, I REALLY NEED YOU to help me move this industrial freighter full of 100B ISK in stuff in Low/Null sec, you're the only person I can trust with this. Please help me!" And then tell him you need him to scout, and make sure you have a mock fight ready setup with another friend that Mr uberCarebear can win in his crap fit scout ship. Then if he wins the fight and doesn't get the PVP bug, then nothing will.
Hehe, okay I see where everybody is going with this.
I doubt I should blow him up -- but the OMG BRO, I NEED YOUR HELP, LIKE RIGHT NOW! seems to be a good start. In fact, that is a good idea to start with. Thanks.
edit:
he is also in a more or less dead corp nobody is insisting to wardec. While that may be cool for pve'ers, he is not doing anything fancy in the PVE area to even enjoy that either. :-/ confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Aziesta
Sathainn Braithrean Cartel Apocalypse Now.
3
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:22:00 -
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Link him to youtube videos of pvp fights. Even when all I ever did was mine, I still enjoyed watching pvp fights others had frapsed and put up. Eventually he might want to try it for himself. Since you mentioned 0.0, try to find some fights with capitals, those usually make an impression with people who've never left highsec. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2393
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:24:00 -
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Karn Dulake wrote:100% of all EVE players suffer from PvP phobia they just dont admit it which is why
1. Blobs exist 2. Players only wardec weaker corps/alliances 3. Nobody ever fights ever unless they are certain that they are going to win.
Tell him to join a highsec baddass merc corp then he can blob month old retriever pilots all day.
Hope that helps :) RvB would like to have a word with you. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2070
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:25:00 -
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Cheap t1 frigates. Best fun for your money. |
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Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
905
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:31:00 -
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Deena Amaj wrote:Another thread reminded me to ask this. Uh yeah. I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment. Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip. The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D. I said to him that I would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses. I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh. I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone. I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts. Thanks.
Who's paying for his account? Are you paying for it? If not then let him play his game the way he wants to play it, it's his money that he is paying for that account with and he has every right to enjoy his game however he wants. Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Maybe his endgame is simply collecting well-fitted ships. Trying to force a certain playstyle "down his throat" is just going to generate resentment on some level, perhaps to the point of him unsubbing or even dropping you as a friend.
In my own life if someone were to try to mess with how I play my game, be it EvE, tic-tac-toe, whatever, I'd tell them to go fk themselves, this is MY game, go play your own. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
215
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:33:00 -
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James 315 wrote:I've heard of PvP-phobia, but this sounds like a very severe case. Normally I would recommend having the carebear fly a throwaway ship and get used to watching explosions, but you already tried that to no avail. Recommendation: Attack him yourself, blow up his ship. Some birds need to be pushed out of the nest.
I had pvp-phobia my 1st year of playing, I just ran mission after mission after mission and join a mission running corp lol. A corpmate invited me to go roaming with him and 3 real life friends who were in BoB and even gave me a Brutix fit and some mods. off we went and it was a blast, we ended up skirmishing with 3 different small gangs and winning or at least getting away.
Then we encountered a gang From IRC and started fighting on a gate, and a thanatos warped in. Not only my 1st roam, but my 1st time laying eyes on a capital ship, made my Brutix (which to me as a noob as a HUGE ship) look like pebble on the beach lol. I died and got podded, but the infection set in and I've been pvping and flying around null ever sense.
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Jim Era
HARD KNOCKS CORP
2012
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:36:00 -
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You should invite him on a mission or something with you. And
BLOW THE **** OUT OF HIS SHIPS
Teach him loss. Show him pain. Make him wish he were never cloned.
Show him that its no hard feelings, and that is just how EVE works. If he can't deal with that, then you should make sure to post the previous conversation on the forums so that we can all laugh at him. Also make sure to call him a *****.
*if everything has not worked and he still has not had any adjustment of the positioning of his balls. Talk about how his ships are pieces of **** and that your tiny ~cruiser, destroyer~ w/e that is decent yet smaller than his, is better than his. (Exaggerate if necessary)
Wave your **** like its bigger than his, and you will soon be met by his waving ****. I
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:41:00 -
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Quote:
Who's paying for his account? Are you paying for it? If not then let him play his game the way he wants to play it, it's his money that he is paying for that account with and he has every right to enjoy his game however he wants. Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Maybe his endgame is simply collecting well-fitted ships. Trying to force a certain playstyle "down his throat" is just going to generate resentment on some level, perhaps to the point of him unsubbing or even dropping you as a friend.
In my own life if someone were to try to mess with how I play my game, be it EvE, tic-tac-toe, whatever, I'd tell them to go fk themselves, this is MY game, go play your own.
I thought a post like this wouldn't show up after all, hehe. Allow me to clarify.
He's paying for it. But we're buddies, pracically buddies you may say - so in that case I must say "The Emperor protects", meaning I don't want him wasting cash. Pretty much a "help me, help you" thing.
Please don't confuse irony and metaphorical quotes of mine with reality. Likewise, people suggesting to drag him somewhere and blow him up is likewise counterproductive.
But as I said aleady, he's been a year or two now into the game and he is pretty much just skilling up for nothing. If he wants go pve, I'm fine with that, but I want to guide him so that afterwards he doesn't say "DAMN, I SHOULD NOT HAVE PUT SO MANY SPs INTO INDUSTRY!".
So in that case, in style of a PSA, please refrain from those worries as stated in the post I just quoted. Nobody is forcing anybody, so I must do say in a normal tone: "Calm down". It is not as extreme as you perceive it.
I would have deep-throated him with frigs long time ago, and I already said I offered ships to lose, but that did not work. But I am certain I need to show him some things or actually get him the feeling that there is more to enjoy in the game.
Not to forget, Eve pvp is very genuine and many people around the globe don't even perceive it. Broadening one's horizon won't do harm.
But as said before, I will insist to ask him for his assistance on a Lowsec area, where we are likely to get blown up. Perhaps we can counter any gank assaults (somewhat), too.
edit: damn copypaste :D confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Abannan
Moira. Villore Accords
26
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:43:00 -
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Tell him to leave the shiney flagship docked up, grab a frigate + t2 fit for 7 million isk and go and get it blown up. Rinse and repeat |
Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
544
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:48:00 -
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Deena Amaj wrote:Quote:
Who's paying for his account? Are you paying for it? If not then let him play his game the way he wants to play it, it's his money that he is paying for that account with and he has every right to enjoy his game however he wants. Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Maybe his endgame is simply collecting well-fitted ships. Trying to force a certain playstyle "down his throat" is just going to generate resentment on some level, perhaps to the point of him unsubbing or even dropping you as a friend.
In my own life if someone were to try to mess with how I play my game, be it EvE, tic-tac-toe, whatever, I'd tell them to go fk themselves, this is MY game, go play your own.
I thought a post like this wouldn't show up after all, hehe. Allow me to clarify. He's paying for it. But we're buddies, pracically RL buddies you may say - so in that case I must say "The Emperor protects", meaning I don't want him wasting cash. Pretty much a "help me, help you" thing. Please don't confuse irony and metaphorical quotes of mine with reality. Likewise, people suggesting to drag him somewhere and blow him up is likewise counterproductive. But as I said aleady, he's been a year or two now into the game and he is pretty much just skilling up for nothing. If he wants go pve, I'm fine with that, but I want to guide him so that afterwards he doesn't say "DAMN, I SHOULD NOT HAVE PUT SO MANY SPs INTO INDUSTRY!". So in that case, in style of a PSA, please refrain from those worries as stated in the post I just quoted. Nobody is forcing anybody, so I must do say in a normal tone: "Calm down". It is not as extreme as you perceive it. I would have deep-throated him with frigs long time ago, and I already said I offered ships to lose, but that did not work. But I am certain I need to show him some things or actually get him the feeling that there is more to enjoy in the game. Not to forget, Eve pvp is very genuine and many people around the globe don't even perceive it. Broadening one's horizon won't do harm. But as said before, I will insist to ask him for his assistance on a Lowsec area, where we are likely to get blown up. Perhaps we can counter any gank assaults (somewhat), too. edit: damn copypaste :D
Sounds like your friend has a mind of his own.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
977
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:52:00 -
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Maybe he just does not like stress. PvP causes stress and some people just cannot tolerate it very well, and certainly do not enjoy it. If this is the case, all attempts to get him to like PvP will most likely fail. His saying he does not want to lose the ship may be his way of acknowledging his dislike of stress. Its not the loss of pixels that is the the issue, but the stress of the experience. You try to force a stressful experience on him, and you may lose a friend forever.
But you may be able to explain to him that in high sec the chances of losing a ship are so small that he can undock and do stuff. Try for the opposite of a PvP experience, try and keep the stress as low as possible. http://vincentoneve.wordpress.com/ |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
2393
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:53:00 -
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Quote:Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences.
Not so much. EVE is all about not respecting peoples recreational preferences. To carve a successful niche for yourself in EVE you need to be able to out sell, out produce, out fight,-á out run, or out wit your competitors. If you can do none of the above, your only option is to complain on the forums that somehow you are at a disadvantage using the exact same tool set-áas the rest of the player base. |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:54:00 -
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Don't need to do the math on that.
We talk. And I won't be doing any secret bullcrap like some may assume either :). If he doesn't want to come along, no problem.
Right now, it is all just about finding ideas on where to go with somebody as a wingman who never did this before.
Trolling bait tactics and or philosophical questions as the one above won't help much either if I were as aggressive as some think I were.
Yet. To reiterate, inviting him along on a Lowsec/0.0 run (though lowsec is obviously the smarter one) is a good idea. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
baltec1
Bat Country
2071
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Posted - 2012.09.06 17:59:00 -
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Get a frigate and fit a warp scrambler and a Micro-warpdrive orafterburner. Everything else is an optional extra.
Total cost will be under a mil if you go cheap. |
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Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
905
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:04:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Quote:Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Not so much. EVE is all about not respecting peoples recreational preferences.
Agreed. Once I undock you can try to get me to play your way all you want. heheh
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:05:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Maybe he just does not like stress. PvP causes stress and some people just cannot tolerate it very well, and certainly do not enjoy it. If this is the case, all attempts to get him to like PvP will most likely fail. His saying he does not want to lose the ship may be his way of acknowledging his dislike of stress. Its not the loss of pixels that is the the issue, but the stress of the experience. You try to force a stressful experience on him, and you may lose a friend forever.
But you may be able to explain to him that in high sec the chances of losing a ship are so small that he can undock and do stuff. Try for the opposite of a PvP experience, try and keep the stress as low as possible.
Aye. Makes sense. It is just that there is a time where he would actually run missions, but then stop all along because the ship became too much of a loveboat.
Other thing is if that ship blows up -> Eve ragequit, and he said it himself.
In that case, it is better I try to show him that there is no real stress at all. PVP is likely going to far, but I want him to wander off into Lowsec someday after all, get blown up by obvious pirate camps and then quit.
So I want to "help".
But I totally agree that not everybody can handle PVP stress or are obligated to do pvp.
Look. I actually have an entirely different perspective on "Carebears" to begin with. It is that my perspective and person is rather unimportant and off topic. I just want to know if there are some ways to get people to get the hang of EVE.
Let's not forget that EVE ingame is indeed itty-gritty dark n deadly, merciless most of the times for new players thanks to hoards of douchebagging ass-hatery gangs out there. He'll run into them sooner or later, and I'm talking about the moment when he does get "so bored he want's to do something new (pvp/lowsec)" because that is pretty much the next instance.
So I'd take the chance and duty of inviting him to a duo-roam/lowsec pve or something alike rather than having him blindly run into gankers and ragequitting. He doesn't have to roll with me either, but he needs to know that one does not have to act like they have a ~1bill worth of a clone + Titan if they are not even that old to begin with. :D
confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Hypercake Mix
Magical Rainbow Bakery
33
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:11:00 -
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Well... in this case... I'd say walk through all the ways to minimize the risk, hop into some cheap fit Battlecruisers, and make it an adventure. Jump clones, a single extra copy of the Battlecruiser, platinum insurance, etc. |
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management Unified Church of the Unobligated
722
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:16:00 -
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Try and see if he's interested in flying logistics or something. Unified Church of the Unobligated - madness in the method Mamma didn't raise no victims. |
Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
910
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:27:00 -
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I've learned that it is best to simply offer advice, and then just learn to appreciate the friend for where they are and who they are.
Unless of course they are about to jump off the side of a bridge or they are stuck on Crack. In that case feel free to kick their ass all the way to where help is and then put them in a full headlock until they are safe.
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Historical Research Advocate
State War Academy Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:31:00 -
[36] - Quote
Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility |
Sturmwolke
273
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:33:00 -
[37] - Quote
Deena Amaj wrote: Please share your thoughts.
Well, buy him some T1 mods and play a noob ship vs noob ship fight (can bait to gain aggro). Loser gets to buy/make dinner or whatever. Upgrade slowly to T1 frigate fights as you go along.
If that still fails, then don't bother to interest him in ship-vs-ship PVP (never heard/saw extreme case like this in EVE till now). There are other kinds of PVP that might interest him, the most prominent being market PVP - where you get the pleasure of wrecking the market, annoying/griefing other traders. Who knows, he might have the potential in him to make billions, your own personal loan department. |
Robert De'Arneth
Gallium Industries Strategic Alliance
5
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:33:00 -
[38] - Quote
What is wrong with naming ships!! The 1st thing I do when I assemble ship is name it!! Naming your ship, shows you care, even it is going to get blown up 10 minutes later!! |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:35:00 -
[39] - Quote
Historical Research Advocate wrote:Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility
Damn. I didn't even think about that one. Now that's another great idea right there.
Keep the shiny stuff on TQ. Play around on SISI.
I think that pretty much nailed what I may be looking far. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Rexxorr
Zero Corp Tax
1
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:35:00 -
[40] - Quote
Baby steps, try baby stepping.
First, does he fly a cov-op ? if not have him train for one. Second, does he know about instant warp undocks ? if not teach him to make a few at whatever station. Third, does he know about mwd trick after a gate jump ? if not teach him, course with a cov-op thats not really needed.
Fourth, Have him fly around in the cov-op, cloaked up and all. Go to Jita and watch all the diff ships coming and going, its like planes at the airport. Fifth, go to some low sec systems, say the one with the eve gate.
Sixth, well thats up to you. |
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:36:00 -
[41] - Quote
Robert De'Arneth wrote:What is wrong with naming ships!! The 1st thing I do when I assemble ship is name it!! Naming your ship, shows you care, even it is going to get blown up 10 minutes later!!
Haha, it is okay m8.
It is just that when you flag-ship a T1 ship that you are likely to lose "can result in serious emotional pain" ;). I am just stating that this is not something like WoW or other games where you just respawn and lose nothing. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Azami Nevinyrall
Project Cerberus Caldari State Capturing
399
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:37:00 -
[42] - Quote
If at first you don't succeed, bring more friends with Catalysts... Do you know what a sh*t-barometer is? It measures the sh*t-pressure in the air, did you hear that? The sounds of the whispering winds of sh*t... |
The VC's
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2012.09.06 18:58:00 -
[43] - Quote
Roll a couple of alts and stick them in RvB. The are the least risk adverse organisation in Eve, hands down. The pvp is simple enough for anybody to have fun and the 'Death AND Glory' attitude is very evident on comms.
He won't be risking his treasures and he'll be flying with a lot of players who are new to ship exploding too.
You can have a lot of fun with 50 mill isk |
Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:03:00 -
[44] - Quote
Ask him to a frigate duel 1v1 just you and him. He supplies and fits his own T1 frigate, and you bring yours.
If you have corp mates, set up a Snipe Hunt. One cruiser (the snipe) fit for tanking and killing frigates (a Vexor, for example), 5 players in T1 frigates, and one hunt master in a cloaky non-combat ship. The snipe gives aggression (takes ammo from a can, or ideally all the same corp), then gets two minutes to run for it. The group must scan the snipe down, warp in on him at safe, for example, tackle and blow him up. Several frigates will die in the process, but the cruiser ought to go down.
I used the snipe hunt as a training exercise back when I was a PvP director in an old corp. It's a lot of fun, and everyone gets practice with d-scan and warp-to-tackle. If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:07:00 -
[45] - Quote
Nice idea :). (seriously meant)
However, I think there might be a language barrier issue due to solely understanding german. However, I'm somewhere certain he won't be joining a corp without me (and my alts are all preoccupied at this corp).
Another thing I should probably mention is that he is (or was) actually in a PVE corp with missioning and mining. But he never really got anything out of it. It was pretty much one of those corps that somewhere take more advantage out of the newbie participants and paying back zero/nada/nothing.
RvB is a good thing though. I have to still get him through basic training. I'm sure german players participate there too, but it is best he knows basics. As far as I know, he doesn't know the basic EVE-english terms like "align", "Point", etc. - but that's my job :D! confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Maxpie
Metaphysical Utopian Society Explorations
192
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:11:00 -
[46] - Quote
Some observations from my own experience:
-Encourage him to get a jumpclone -Provide him with pre-fit T1 frigs -Put together a small gang with the express intention of roaming low sec until you get blown up. If possible, arrange a fun fight. It doesn't even have to be a fair fight, just a fight where, even if you all die, he will have experienced that pulse-pounding, mouse-hand shaking thrill.
You can't force him to pvp if he just doesn't want to. Reality is, some people just won't do it, but you can put the conditions in place to give him a good chance of getting a taste of it which is something more than having been ganked. |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
32
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Posted - 2012.09.06 19:19:00 -
[47] - Quote
Got it.
All righty, will ask in the missiions forum area which lowsec sites are viable.
I suppose some semi-pve site there should be worth checking out, as we are likely to have unpleasant guests pop up heh.
I have to figure though if Radar/Mag sites for instance are that viable with cruisers. Taking BCs would go a bit too far. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Ager Agemo
Saturn Reaper
97
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:15:00 -
[48] - Quote
i dont quite understand the pvp phobia thing... i m always willing to throw away ships all the time up to faction battleships, who cares they are just bits, i m a lame pvper XD but at least i know i m not afraid. |
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
295
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
I've found that people are a lot more willing to fight when you supply them a ship and teach them how it works. That'll get them to come out of their shell a bit, enough to see if pvp is really their thing. You can get a cheap pvp ship for less than 10 million isk if you know how to shop about. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Lieutenant Community Communication Liasions (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department |
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Maxxatan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:26:00 -
[50] - Quote
Deena Amaj wrote:Historical Research Advocate wrote:Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility Damn. I didn't even think about that one. Now that's another great idea right there. Keep the shiny stuff on TQ. Play around on SISI. I think that pretty much nailed what I may be looking far.
He will either die too much on SISI and become upset, or die too little on SISI and never leave SISI. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=143535 |
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1278
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:51:00 -
[51] - Quote
You need to introduce him to a situation that he knows is PvP oriented and make sure he is not alone. Have PvP be the goal. Get him in the mindset that he is not in a surprise pvp situation. If he is in it because he wants to be then he will lose the fear of it easier. Some people say just toss him in the water with him kicking and screaming, but I fear it will just further enforce his fear of pvp.
Find a cheap tournament or pvp event to have him and you participate in. You just need to butter him up to it with friendly sparing and other things like helping you theory craft on fits and such for pvp. The more you involve him with pvp related thing, the more likely he will reach the goal of logging in and terrorizing as a cold blooded ruthless pirate.
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Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1278
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Posted - 2012.09.06 22:57:00 -
[52] - Quote
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:I've found that people are a lot more willing to fight when you supply them a ship and teach them how it works. That'll get them to come out of their shell a bit, enough to see if pvp is really their thing. You can get a cheap pvp ship for less than 10 million isk if you know how to shop about. 10 million?! I was thinking for of less than a million. 10 million is a lot for a new player and there is a very real psychological effect when you can look at a ship and say, "Well the ship doesn't even cost a million so I don't care if it dies."
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
487
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:04:00 -
[53] - Quote
1.) The rifter project is a tried and true, excellent method for introducing people to PvP....
2.) Sisi is a risk free, easy to do method for trying out EvE PvP... you can even take out super shiny ships and blow them up and it won't matter because everything costs 100 isk on sisi!
3.) Challenge him to a duel in noob-frigates.... that literally costs nothing...
4.) If it wasn't for the "only-speaks-german" thing I'd recommend RvB or taking an Agony Unleashed's PvP Basic class.... There are several German-speaking Corps / alliances that you can run with... but I don't kow if they teach PvP....
Does he like shooting at NPC rats? Does he like flying his ship in space? |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:10:00 -
[54] - Quote
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:1.) The rifter project is a tried and true, excellent method for introducing people to PvP.... Slashers are even better now, as I understand it. With a cool name that sounds a little psychoish. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Cyprus Black
Perkone Caldari State
347
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:14:00 -
[55] - Quote
Quote:Any tips for getting a frightened "My shiny ship" carebear to pvp? Yeah, 100% ship reimbursement. He won't be afraid to lose a ship if he gets a replacement for free + mods and in a timely manner. Would you be afraid to smash up a Lamborghini if you knew you'd have free and infinite replacements? I wouldn't.
Ship reimbursement is a good way to get a carebear to PvP. It's a policy that works for the Goons and I wish more 0.0 alliances would do it. Hijinks of a highsec pirate http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
Demolishar
United Aggression
352
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:21:00 -
[56] - Quote
Marlona Sky wrote: 10 million?! I was thinking for of less than a million. 10 million is a lot for a new player and there is a very real psychological effect when you can look at a ship and say, "Well the ship doesn't even cost a million so I don't care if it dies."
He's been playing for a few years though. His clone alone probably costs 10-20mil now. Not to mention expensive implants that you risk losing if you take them into pvp, and get your training time increased by a quarter if you don't use them at all (costing the equivalent in ISK of roughly 5 million ISK a day if you use no implants vs +5 implants).
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Historical Research Advocate
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:35:00 -
[57] - Quote
Maxxatan wrote:Deena Amaj wrote:Historical Research Advocate wrote:Bring him onto SISI and spend a weekend in one on one training and sparring. Then he can see what you're doing, how you're doing it, and can ask questions. Rather than mashing buttons and praying on Tranquility Damn. I didn't even think about that one. Now that's another great idea right there. Keep the shiny stuff on TQ. Play around on SISI. I think that pretty much nailed what I may be looking far. He will either die too much on SISI and become upset, or die too little on SISI and never leave SISI. what a stupid comment. |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
1278
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Posted - 2012.09.06 23:41:00 -
[58] - Quote
Demolishar wrote:Marlona Sky wrote: 10 million?! I was thinking for of less than a million. 10 million is a lot for a new player and there is a very real psychological effect when you can look at a ship and say, "Well the ship doesn't even cost a million so I don't care if it dies."
He's been playing for a few years though. His clone alone probably costs 10-20mil now. Not to mention expensive implants that you risk losing if you take them into pvp, and get your training time increased by a quarter if you don't use them at all (costing the equivalent in ISK of roughly 5 million ISK a day if you use no implants vs +5 implants). And another potential player to join in PvP is discouraged by the clone upgrade costs. Sure you can get a naked clone to bypass risking implants, but if the clone upgrade costs are already keeping him from PvPing then there is no hope.
Maybe one day CCP will wake up and realize your friend would have risked a lot more in ships than his current clone upgrade costs. Right now he is risking: 0
So much for the clone upgrade ISK sink so many of you claim is a good mechanic.
Remove local, structure mails and revamp the directional scanner! |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
107
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Posted - 2012.09.07 02:53:00 -
[59] - Quote
Deena Amaj wrote:Another thread reminded me to ask this. Uh yeah. I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment. Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip. The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D. I said to him that I would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses. I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh. I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone. I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts. Thanks. Take him to deer hunting or fishing. |
Adalynne Rohks
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
235
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:23:00 -
[60] - Quote
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.
It's alright to kinda prod a friend and encourage him/her to try something, but if they really don't want to, you're just gonna get on their nerves after awhile. Believe it or not, some people simply like the "collection" aspect of some games. They collect shiny trinkets, and then look for the rest of the shiny trinkets. I wouldn't get bent out of shape over it.
Different strokes for different folks, y'know? |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
4527
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:30:00 -
[61] - Quote
Paul Oliver wrote:Let him enjoy EVE in his own way, eventually he'll grow wealthy off pve content but also bored with it, in my opinion that's the time to introduce him to PVP.
Hahaha EVE's PvE content is crap, no, he won't grow wealthy off of it because he'll grow bored of it, and if he doesn't, he'll just leeroy a horribly fit machariel into a fight and get blown up by a couple of frigates before he ragequits please leave |
Cutter Isaacson
Quantum Reality R n D GREATER ITAMO MAFIA
956
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Posted - 2012.09.07 03:33:00 -
[62] - Quote
I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you. My views are my own, not those of my Corp. or my Alliance. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.07 04:58:00 -
[63] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you. Yeah, I mean my friends practically forced all those rifters on me. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
MinefieldS
1 Sick Duck Standss on something
107
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Posted - 2012.09.07 05:53:00 -
[64] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you. And who do you think you are, telling the op not to decide how his friend should play the game? |
William Walker
House Aratus Fatal Ascension
52
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Posted - 2012.09.07 06:17:00 -
[65] - Quote
Hi, I'm William and I hoard my ships in stations and never fly them. My highest spinning count was 4302. You just start spinning and then... you just can't stop.. I tried quitting a few times but I ... I just can't. I can't stop spinning.
Go out in frigates and die. Many times. This way he will get a feeling for death and since we are immortal he will get used to it after a while. Then you can carry on to watch yourself blow up in things like destroyers, battlecruisers, battleships - you name it! |
pussnheels
The Fiction Factory
583
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Posted - 2012.09.07 07:09:00 -
[66] - Quote
MinefieldS wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you. And who do you think you are, telling the op not to decide how his friend should play the game? because his friend is playing this game how he wants to play it anf not the way how some whitetrash teenagers want him tto play this game , it is his time and his subsceiption he does with it what he wants I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
174
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Posted - 2012.09.07 08:16:00 -
[67] - Quote
This is a pandemic in Eve in my opinion. I know of entire alliances of players who have this attitude, while simultaneously seemingly having problems managing their corps/alliances and not understanding why they can't keep it together.
I've never found an efficient method to get people to understand the importance of knowing how to PvP in this game and unfortunately the attitude of "I want to play Eve my way" results in a lot of broken and dysfunctional corps and alliance led by people who start every Eve conversation with "I don't like PvP".
To me its like saying, "I don't like Eve". Because if you don't like PvP, your playing the wrong game and you if don't know how to handle it as a corp leader, you have no business running a corp or being part of an alliance. Their is no greater tragedy than a corporation founded on the idea that they can avoid PvP. It leads to unprecedented amounts of failure in this game and tears on the forum.
Its a lesson that people seem to only learn through the hardship of getting blown up on someone else's terms. The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub.-á |
Inquisitor Kitchner
Galaxy Punks Executive Outcomes
59
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Posted - 2012.09.07 09:19:00 -
[68] - Quote
If your friend doesn't even want to fly a **** ship he didn't pay for and die in that then I'd suggest he probably isn't going to make it.
I believe with horses when they are broken you shoot them in the face. Get him a horse doctor. |
Amaroq Dricaldari
Malicious Mission Murderers
131
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Posted - 2012.09.07 12:08:00 -
[69] - Quote
Make another character on your account, train up some of the essential skills, get a basic frigate setup, and ask him to play on that character for a while. And also tell him that the first thing he should do on that character is do the Career Missions. This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine. |
Ayuren Aakiwa
Wyvern Operations Damned Nation
27
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Posted - 2012.09.07 13:02:00 -
[70] - Quote
Maybe have some friends or kind inhabitants of eveo.com war dec him and just camp his home station. You could also just straight up give him a ship + a little extra isk to go pvp with you, have him join estel arador(sp) and get a free jump clone so he can't ***** about losing implants. Getting these people to pvp is one of the hardest parts of eve! Also constantly remind him this is a multiplayer pvp game and he's doing it wrong . If all else fails get him to mission with you and blow him up, if he rage quits eve probably isn't the game for him anyway. pew pew 24/7 |
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.07 13:09:00 -
[71] - Quote
Amaroq Dricaldari wrote:Make another character on your account, train up some of the essential skills, get a basic frigate setup, and ask him to play on that character for a while. And also tell him that the first thing he should do on that character is do the Career Missions. Oh, letting someone else use your account?
Sounds like something we shouldn't be recommending... Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Gaellia Bonaventure
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
760
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Posted - 2012.09.07 13:35:00 -
[72] - Quote
Cutter Isaacson wrote:I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you.
+1. For some holier-than-thou people in this game "sandbox" means playing the game according to their narrow definition of what sandbox means....
Bring your possibles. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.07 13:44:00 -
[73] - Quote
Gaellia Bonaventure wrote:Cutter Isaacson wrote:I say, unless you are paying his sub for him, let him do whatever the hell he wants. Who do you think you are, trying to decide how he should play the game? Seriously glad I don't have friends like you. +1. For some holier-than-thou people in this game "sandbox" means playing the game according to their narrow definition of what sandbox means.... And here I was going to try and see if I couldn't send his friend a 6pack of minmatar t1 fit frigates.
Well I'll just give them to some newbie. It's hard to get them to highsec from here anyway. Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Darius Brinn
Iberians Iberians.
91
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:02:00 -
[74] - Quote
1) Find something he really likes (ship or module) and contract it to him, for free, in Amamake. 2) When you are sure he's going for the stuff, contract 20 Incursus/Merlins/Rifters to him. In the same station.
If the lust for vengeance (for the ships he WILL lose) and the eagerness to escape with the price do not sharpen his teeth and leave him begging for more fireworks, nothing will and he will never get into PvP.
Alternatively, arrange a mock fight with him and lose on purpose, but make it a thrilling and close call.
Or you could always blow his shiny toys yourself, for him to realize they're just polygons and pixels, and that (apart from time), he really lost nothing.
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FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks The Marmite Collective
2332
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:11:00 -
[75] - Quote
Give him cheap ships (whatever qualifies as cheap to you) and get him to follow you into fights.
He'll get addicted to the adrenaline. The Skunkworks is recruiting. -áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1540711#post1540711 |
Alundil
The Unnamed.
165
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Posted - 2012.09.07 15:36:00 -
[76] - Quote
Deena Amaj wrote: Just a reminder, you can't gank what never undocks ;).
I think that the "testing fittiing/tank theory" idea is a good one. Give that a shot. Then while doing that have an alt pilot a throw-away nado out to the safe where yall are "dueling" and alpha the holy amarr out of him. Shiny ship assplodes. You help him refit and exact revenge on the "terrible pirate" that gave him surprise buttsexx and destroyed his bling mobile. He feels the sting of defeat, grieves the loss of his "precious" and can be reborn victorious in his righteous revenge.
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Conrad Makbure
Division One Security
26
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:13:00 -
[77] - Quote
I like the rifter contract idea, wish I had that option, sp training needs to speed up some, so training with no implants has feasible training times. Watching the skill queue is not fun. |
ShiftyMcFly's Second Cousin
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:28:00 -
[78] - Quote
Let people find their own way.
Not everyone has the same reasons, motivations, and sense of reward for the different aspects of gameplay possible within Eve, or any other game.
Finding yourself in a position where you feel you need to force someone into some behavior that you think is best for them and more inline with your own, is often a sign of a serious issue within yourself.
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Medude
Unstable Reaction Inc. Takahashi Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.09.07 17:46:00 -
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The T1 frig tourny idea is a good one as has started to take out the fear of things going pop from me and with any luck may actually drag myself out on a roam with alliance mates this weekend.
The main thing with the tourny for me is that I expected to die horribly in a fire in the first round, but ended up coming third and getting a nice shiny prize :) (although the nice MSE Merlin fit may have carried me a bit) |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
15
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:31:00 -
[80] - Quote
Have your friend join a pvp training corp like ours, where T1 frigates & training are corp provided and people are expected to go down in flames on losec roams while they learn, with no actual requirement to pvp. :) [url]http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Feyd+Rautha+Harkonnen[/url] |
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Metal Icarus
Endless Destruction Against ALL Anomalies
271
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Posted - 2012.09.07 18:33:00 -
[81] - Quote
Ops friend needs to lose that ship to a good gank.
it'll be good for him! |
ctx2007
Wychwood and Wells Beer needs you
121
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:00:00 -
[82] - Quote
Get him to make a jumpclone without implants and give him the rifters...... you never know.
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Cede Forster
51
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Posted - 2012.09.07 19:43:00 -
[83] - Quote
just make him do some pvp, he will get around, if not, blow him up, make a picture, post it here |
Jonni Favorite
Sundown Logistics SpaceMonkey's Alliance
139
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:10:00 -
[84] - Quote
Bagrat Skalski wrote:Quote:You can give me some therapy.. =( Me too, I like my flagships, all of them. I don't buy ships to blow them up. Blowing up Is stupid, because i would have to buy another one, and another one, and another...
That's why you buy 3 at a time and go with Dio!
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Minmatar Citizen 76959458561
Republic University Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:48:00 -
[85] - Quote
Just explain its only a game only pixels and bet him a few mill he will enjoy it make a bet out of it not win or lose more bet he will have fun
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Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
33
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Posted - 2012.09.07 21:50:00 -
[86] - Quote
Metal Icarus wrote:Ops friend needs to lose that ship to a good gank.
it'll be good for him!
xD Sounds like loosin' virginity ! confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Myxx
Minmatar Death Squad Broken Chains Alliance
582
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Posted - 2012.09.07 22:35:00 -
[87] - Quote
I used to be like that, but then I got so used to having people be very angry with me over a long period of time that I regularly just don't care about if i redock again. In essence, it really only can be broken with time and outright exposure to extreme risk and hazards. Once comfortable with it, fighting becomes as easy and natural as breathing. |
Johan Civire
Dirty Curse inc.
106
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Posted - 2012.09.07 22:51:00 -
[88] - Quote
Riot Girl wrote:Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship.
iam in thats sounds fun
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2012.09.07 23:58:00 -
[89] - Quote
Johan Civire wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Contract 20 Rifters to him with a load of cheap fittings. Tell him to get them all blown up by next week or you'll gank his stupid ship. iam in thats sounds fun If he flies in highsec maybe he'll be ganked on a gate.... otherwise might be hard if he's not in a wardec situation.
Highsec pvp, you know :) Those who cannot adapt become victims of Evolugalbugaslugakjlwsdhvbzxd Click for old school EVE Portraits: http://jadeconstantine.web44.net/Maison.htm |
Abel Merkabah
The Executioners Capital Punishment.
151
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Posted - 2012.09.08 01:43:00 -
[90] - Quote
Edit - self censor...it was just bad. James315 for CSM 8! |
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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
674
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Posted - 2012.09.08 02:45:00 -
[91] - Quote
make him watch alliance tournaments. they made me want to pvp more. |
Deena Amaj
Community for Justice Resurrection by Election
33
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Posted - 2012.09.08 12:37:00 -
[92] - Quote
Herping yourDerp wrote:make him watch alliance tournaments. they made me want to pvp more.
He did watch some two, should have been X and XI. 11 was the latest, or not? I am not sure.
Unfortunately it was too complicated, very fast-paced and of course professional commentating (ymmv here) that was in fast english + eve jargon. I have the feeling it was counterproductive in terms of sparking some interests.
I already explained that it was kind of like WoW Arena, where you can't really consider that like "real pvp" because to a point, all is staged, everybody using the most expensive and/or Flavor-Flave-of-the-Month setups (ASBs anyone?) and much more.
It was entertaining for him, of course. confirthisposmed
I'm probably typing on a Tablet too, which means the auto-correct is silly and fixing typos is a pain. I ain't fixing them. |
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
162
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Posted - 2012.09.08 15:32:00 -
[93] - Quote
Give him some t1 cruisers and ideas for fits, then let him fight you. At least then he knows he isn't going to get embarrassed, podded, or even have a killmail if you fight to structure only.
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Merovee
Gorthaur Legion Of Mordor
47
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Posted - 2012.09.08 15:50:00 -
[94] - Quote
He needs to find an enemy, someone to pick on. Your enemies define who you are in life and in gaming a reason for playing. You could hire him to harass someone you don't like and maybe go down the path of mercenary.You have to be careful he doesn't quit playing because of some kind of betrayal action you might inflict on him by being a jerk. |
Mixu Paatelainen
New Eden Renegades Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
45
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:12:00 -
[95] - Quote
Block him, chalk up the loss of a friend to experience and move on. He sounds unrescuable. |
Lord Arakkis
Vestige of Vehemence Dragon Swarm Dynasty
47
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Posted - 2012.09.09 01:38:00 -
[96] - Quote
To the OP, sounds like he wants no part of the multiplayer aspect of EVE. As a friend, you kinda have to accept that as much as it may suck (I have friends who are the same).
The only thing you can possibly try to change this is to have him fit a cloaky ship and follow you in a small gang into pvp. Have him be soley a spectator. Hopefully, if you get some good fights, he feels left out looking in from the outside and changes his mind.
But of course, you have to get him in a cloak ship.. Your still a child in the eyes of the universe |
Nostradamouse Riraille
Blackreach. SRS.
40
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Posted - 2012.09.09 03:05:00 -
[97] - Quote
Buy him rifters. make him fly 'em and tell him to lose every single one of them to another player withing the next week. |
Vertinox
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.09.09 03:34:00 -
[98] - Quote
Ajit Kumar Bhattacharya wrote:Deena Amaj wrote:Another thread reminded me to ask this. Uh yeah. I happen to have a long time buddy from WoW times. He's all cool and stuff and is playing Eve too. I don't have to worry about him reading this since he doesn't speak english, but who cares. :P I want to help him get a bit more of Eve, but I am a bit stuck at the moment. Whatever. He has the "My shiny ship" syndrome as somebody called it so, where people give their ships names and act like its a flagship and don't want to lose. Additionally, if he/she were to lose that ship, they'd pretty much quit Eve with a single fingersnip. The other thing is that he does so little things with the actual ships too. So basically, you'll see them fully fitted and stuff like but doing nothing but gathering dust as the station. Not to mention the hours-long studies of staring at it and hearing all these things about ship aestetics (spelling). ~_~ Guess that's what you get for an X3 player flying indestructable shiny ships or whatever ;D. I said to him that I would even provide throwaway T1 ships whilst joining the 0.0 corp for action as any player can pull up some fun-to-play tactics without worry with them - yet he still refuses. I know there are certain PVE'er carebears, etc, who do not like PVP and do not need to be forced to it as it is their decision, but I want to know if there some way to break the ice after all. Already tried several "therapies" but I have the feeling this is a tough patient, heh. I've tried it slow too, but he's still not considering to even hit undock with a damn rookie ship, let alone losing that clone. I'm quite certain there are a few veterant players who had to put up with this too. Please share your thoughts. Thanks. Who's paying for his account? Are you paying for it? If not then let him play his game the way he wants to play it, it's his money that he is paying for that account with and he has every right to enjoy his game however he wants. Some people just don't like to undock, and you need to respect peoples recreational preferences. Maybe his endgame is simply collecting well-fitted ships. Trying to force a certain playstyle "down his throat" is just going to generate resentment on some level, perhaps to the point of him unsubbing or even dropping you as a friend. In my own life if someone were to try to mess with how I play my game, be it EvE, tic-tac-toe, whatever, I'd tell them to go fk themselves, this is MY game, go play your own.
^This.
If you aren't paying his monthly bill, then let him sit and spin ships all day while docked. Its his right. |
Abditus Cularius
Clancularius Industries
69
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Posted - 2012.09.09 06:10:00 -
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When something is appealing and fun to a person, you don't have to convince them to try it.
When it isn't, you're just playing missionary to your particular view of fun. |
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