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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:23:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Originally by: IsTheOpOver
Originally by: Tres Farmer
Start your own company, make a rather successful niche game, grow from 14 to 600 employees and do all of this without screwing some things up somewhere.
They actually found 600 people to work for beer?
ROFL! Funny cause it's true.
CCP pay is about the lowest you could find.
yeah 45$ an hour is terrible pay
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:26:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
SUPPORTED, this crap is dumb. Please listen to us who do no want this stupid non content.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
Why is that not funny?
As for the last part.. did the CSM raise the issue when they were in Iceland last week? What came out of this? I mean, if 'quite a few people' want this so badly, there for sure had been a proposal in the Assembly Hall with 'quite a few' supporters so that the CSM brought up this topic, no?
If all of this didn't happen.. sry. Try better next time.
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Heavenly Blues
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
SUPPORTED, this crap is dumb. Please listen to us who do no want this stupid non content.
Dumb is right. They are adding graphics and an avatar environment to do everything you can already do with a few well placed buttons. They are uninventing the remote. If you thought changing channels was cool from your couch, your going to love this: Now you can walk all the way across the room and change the channel.
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SuperCerealGuys
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:36:00 -
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My computer is poo, please make CQ optional.
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:44:00 -
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Originally by: SuperCerealGuys My computer is poo, please make CQ optional.
Get an ipad or a smartphone, I heard they can run Eve too
You chose (by free will - except you're one of those Chinese prisoners) to play a computer game that evolves and doesn't stand still in regards to demanded hardware specs.. deal with it.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer You chose (by free will - except you're one of those Chinese prisoners) to play a computer game that evolves and doesn't stand still in regards to demanded hardware specs.. deal with it.
I can play Portal and Halflife just fine on my machine. Why can't I load one single room that has one character in it?
CQ is going to render three years worth of graphics cards obsolete in one release. That's an awful lot of customers who are going to have to upgrade their computers or quit the game.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tres Farmer Why is that not funny?
Because, as mentioned, it's an appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of the clients.
Quote: I mean, if 'quite a few people' want this so badly, there for sure had been a proposal in the Assembly Hall with 'quite a few' supporters so that the CSM brought up this topic, no?
There has been quite a few of those as well. The thing is, CCP originally said that it would be optional (and as this trick proves, it's trivial to make it so), and it wasn't until after fanfest that it became clear that CCP had reneged on that claim.
Looking at the CQ/Duality thread and the devblog, the option not to load the CQ seems to be one of the more sought-after functions. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Heavenly Blues
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Posted - 2011.05.26 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Heavenly Blues on 26/05/2011 03:59:59
Originally by: Tres Farmer Edited by: Tres Farmer on 26/05/2011 03:48:21
Originally by: Heavenly Blues *snip*
Dumb is right. They are adding graphics and an avatar environment to do everything you can already do with a few well placed buttons. They are uninventing the remote. If you thought changing channels was cool from your couch, your going to love this: Now you can walk all the way across the room and change the channel.
Hm.. according to you they would do everything right if they'd rip out the graphics and give us a spreadsheet interface for everything.
Not exactly. Your feeble attempt at logic is cute though. The CQ adds no actual gameplay. All the hot spots to interact with can already be done with the current interface, and much faster. The graphics are a novelty item, fun for 15 minutes and after that its just a waste of time. If they ever get to the point where this whole incarna thing has actual game play then it might get my attention. Right now it is superficial and a step backward in functionality.
The spreadsheet comment is kinda funny, eve is known for spreadsheets online. IF you ever get in a large fleet fight you will really see this realized as you have to turn off all effects and GFX, and if you are in any sort of command position (or doing logistics) you will have so many windows open that you are flying by gauges alone with little to no regard to the 3D graphic environment.
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Enraged Stoat
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Posted - 2011.05.26 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Please don't. Hopefully someone can develop some wallhax for the station environment so we can see outside...
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.26 06:58:00 -
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Let me state as someone that supports not having the hanger view. for lots of reason but that's not this thread.
Not letting people load a black screen is BS and a terrible judgement call on ccp.
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ceaon
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Posted - 2011.05.26 07:12:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Leocadminone OVERFANCY portrait crap and the removal of the "only load portraits WHEN ASKED FOR" option, my gate jump times have gone through the roof (literally have at LEAST increased to TRIPLE or more) due to the fact I HAVE to download the damned portraits even though I have NEVER wanted the things.
Edit your "hosts" file, add image.eveonline.com as 127.0.0.1 and enjoy avatarless everything on that machine.
or edit the permission for the folder in your cache
C:\Users\user\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\c_program_files_(x86)_ccp_eve_tranquility\cache\Pictures\Characters vs nyan cat pH
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Adrian Idaho
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Posted - 2011.05.26 07:39:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
I couldn't have said it any better.
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Salpun
Gallente Paramount Commerce
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Posted - 2011.05.26 08:13:00 -
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Everyone seams to forget that the CSM has seen the non QA'ed release build and has not flipped out about it.
I see the issue as one that has been decided already for better or worse most likely in our favor. I do not think we will be able to turn it off, Its going to load anyway but the choice to stay in ship or depod will be there- camera drones for the win.
As all this info will be put out in dev blogs and the new UI has to be covered first. When the cut scenes are ready we will see them. If they where not going to alot of the fan video they would not have included it in the blog.
As for the Dev commit- dev trolling beats player trolling every day.
UI hacking will get you broken client and if you some how make it work in game a ban will be your friend very soon
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David Estarra
Caldari Starside Lost
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Posted - 2011.05.26 08:45:00 -
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I'm very much looking forward to CQ/Incarna, but I also have to agree that this should be made optional should players not wish to use it.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 08:58:00 -
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Edited by: mkint on 26/05/2011 08:59:10
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Aurora Fire
Originally by: ceaon Edited by: ceaon on 25/05/2011 19:28:29
Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Could that be classed as client modification?
no i dint did a modification on permissions for a user account in my own OS win 7 is not owned/developed by CCP
If i was a dev wanting to screw with you i would write: You remotely modified a client by not allowing it to do what it was supposed to do.
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
That's the kind of ass hole comment that makes me want to cancel my accounts. Doing so would be the kind of ass hole move that makes me actually cancel my accounts.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:11:00 -
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Originally by: David Estarra I'm very much looking forward to CQ/Incarna, but I also have to agree that this should be made optional should players not wish to use it.
right, and as I said. sure the old hanger view would be one way of making ti optional, but it would require more work on ccps part to support two systems that do the same thing. Sense other than spinning the old hanger view has 0 features.
however, allowing for a black screen, or still image, like the current do not load station environment, literally requires no work. In fact as stated in this thread it actually take MORE work to make sure you can't set it to not load.
CCP should not have to support two versions of the hanger.
however
Supporting a black screen is not work, and it's kinda odd that are being so
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Florestan Bronstein
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:21:00 -
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Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/05/2011 09:20:58
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
ha ha ha
("I thought you were joking, so I did you a favor and laughed.")
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:25:00 -
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CCP's ignorant attitude on this is obvious.
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Ris Dnalor
Minmatar Fleet of Doom RaVeN Federation
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Ris Dnalor on 26/05/2011 09:36:26
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
/emote successfully fought the temptation to report this post as offensive.... just barely though.
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San Severina
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.26 09:48:00 -
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Originally by: Heavenly Blues
Originally by: Lady Spank
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
SUPPORTED, this crap is dumb. Please listen to us who do no want this stupid non content.
Dumb is right. They are adding graphics and an avatar environment to do everything you can already do with a few well placed buttons. They are uninventing the remote. If you thought changing channels was cool from your couch, your going to love this: Now you can walk all the way across the room and change the channel.
TY, my laugh for the night has been had __________________________________________________
No sympathy for the Devil! Always remember that....
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Not funny.
In fact, a rather appalling display of either ignorance or callous disregard for the wishes of your clients.
Someone just found a solution to a problem you people apparently couldn't (or wouldn't) solve, but which has been asked for by quite a few people over the last year, and you joke about it and implicitly threaten people who would want to make use of this improvement. What's next? Are you going to make the removal of cached files and logs an offence?
How about you guys just take the hint and start giving people the options they want for how they want to play the gameà?
I was trying to add some brevity to the discussion, but since you can't please everyone all the time, I'll go back to my bridge and simply not engage at all
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
Forcing it into the manifest is most definitely not an ideal solution since the file has to be checksummed at start-up, and checksumming the entire game client is a lengthy process since it's ~8-9GB in size.
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2011.05.26 10:59:00 -
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Originally by: Florestan Bronstein Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 26/05/2011 09:20:58
Originally by: CCP Atropos Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
ha ha ha
("I thought you were joking, so I did you a favor and laughed.")
Thanks bro
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Lexxxii
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me.
Well how about kicking this back upstairs then, as there are a lot of people asking for the option to opt-out ?
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Lost Hamster
Hamster Holding Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Actually, could you please remove the start.ini from the manifest? I'm behind a firewall, and it would be easier for me to change the file, and not using some workaround to reach the eve server. Thanks in advance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Shields are like pants, they're supposed to come off. Armor is like the condom once its gone ur ****ed |
mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:08:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
If that's the kind of complaint that it takes to get the higher ups to acknowledge and respect how their customers use their product, then I'd call it a win. However, if a community member produced piece of scripting software that automates the lock/unlock process, I'd also consider that a win. A risky win maybe that might cause even more problems for even more people, but I'll refer back to my first point, that if the escalated problems get the higher ups to pull their heads out of their asses and listen, still a win.
(note: I use the word "product" when I'm convinced the people involved consider it a way to finance their private yachts.)
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lost Hamster
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Or I could just add it to the manifest so that it's validated at startup...
Actually, could you please remove the start.ini from the manifest? I'm behind a firewall, and it would be easier for me to change the file, and not using some workaround to reach the eve server. Thanks in advance.
Why do you need to modify it?
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Raid'En
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:21:00 -
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how about a grace period like you've done with avatars ?
would be easier to accept if we had a period where we can choose to use it or not, and so prepare well for it, when it will be mandatory. i don't think allowing people to stil have old system / black screen for 1 or 2 months after CQ release would be a big issue for you. will apport less whine, more time for you to optimize performances, and more time for us to accept it, while still alowing you to have direct feedback from others people, and still way enough feedback from those guys who'll take it a bit later.
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mkint
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Posted - 2011.05.26 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
As for whether we should or not Incarna can be optional, well that's a corporate decision that's made by people higher up the food chain than me. I just don't want people mucking about with the stuff files, because when it inevitably comes to patching, 6 months down the line, someone will come to these forums complaining that they can't patch after they chose to voluntarily delete that file.
Also... he's not talking about deleting the file, he's talking about denying read access (but not write access.) Would that actually break the patching process?
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