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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:02:00 -
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As the title asks, what would you fly for a Level 3 mission - Hurricane or Cyclone? Please include your reasoning/thoughts behind your choice. On the surface, it seems like the 'clone would be best, with its shield boosting bonus. The 'cane, however, might do enough damage to compensate for lack of boosted tanking.
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Elezondo
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:18:00 -
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Edited by: Elezondo on 26/05/2011 19:22:10 People use cyclones for something other than building command ships?
EDIT: Reasoning, the cane has 6 turrent slots and the BC skill bonus of 5% damage per level while the cyclone only has 5 turret hard points and no damage bonus. |
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:19:00 -
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'Cane - every day, and twice on sunday.
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Rushnik
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:56:00 -
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Cane:
More DPS is the key in PVE, you dont need too much tank. with the right skills and setup you'll have enough tank and will only strive for DPS to decrease mission time. Look on battleclinic for a decent fit, I like the 650mm fit with passiv shield tank for PVE, for most mission its overtanked buts good for ppl like me that have no stable connection, easy too fly alsmost as easy as an drake. Too increase even further your completion time look for Mickey Death's setup on BC, didnt try it out but its look promising.
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Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
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Posted - 2011.05.26 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Cephelange du'Krevviq On the surface, it seems like the 'clone would be best, with its shield boosting bonus. The 'cane, however, might do enough damage to compensate for lack of boosted tanking.
That's where you went wrong. L3s don't really do enough damage to take full advantage of the massive burst tank a Cyclone can put out -- and the sustained tank between the two ships isn't all that different. But since the Hurricane can push out that much more damage, there isn't need for as much sustained tank in the first place -- and mission completion times are shorter when more DPS is applied down range.
(In fact, the "tanky" armor fits for a Hurricane aren't even ideal for L3s; you're usually better off in a ganky shield buffer and just blitzing as much as possible.)
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.26 20:03:00 -
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Overkill wont kill ships faster, that's why its called overkill. What does a l3 faster, a machariel that can kill everything in one hit, or a cyanabal that can kill everything in one hit?
Whichever your skills are more suited towards. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Factio Paucorum
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Posted - 2011.05.27 04:10:00 -
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I had a really nice 720mm arty passive shield tanked Hurricane I used for Caldari Cosmos level 3 missions. It worked like a charm and was fun and easy to fly. I found it hard to even come close with a Cyclone. --- This doesn't even seem to be a regular case of rats fleeing the sinking ship. Seems more like the rats are on fire, the ship is on fire, and the sea is full of drunk Russians. - Jacob Etienne |
The Djego
Minmatar Hellequin Inc.
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Posted - 2011.05.27 10:36:00 -
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Cyclone can be ok with a lot SP in missiles, gunnery, fitting skills and drones. However even in this case you will not outdamage the cane and with the fitting skills most people have during doing L3 missions the cane will come out on top pretty much all the time. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank!
Originally by: Amantus Real men don't need to get into blaster range.
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Headerman
Minmatar Element 115. Raiden.
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Posted - 2011.05.27 11:45:00 -
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Nothing wrong with the Cyclone at all:
[Cyclone, New Setup 1] Power Diagnostic System II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II
Medium Shield Booster II Heat Dissipation Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Invulnerability Field II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, EMP M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Assault Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Hobgoblin II x5 Hobgoblin II x3
- Cap stable - 440 DPS without implants - Can fit a large SB - A setup like this is for both short and long range targets - AB provides mobility for the guns to counter tracking issues
Why not give it a go?
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.05.27 15:52:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Cooper on 27/05/2011 15:54:35 Passive shield regen is a strong mechanic, allowing for easy to use setups and lots of free low slots for gyros and TE's. The TE's add to the applied dps quite a bit due to range and tracking.
If you'd want more tank you can always replace 1 TE for another SPR but generally it's not needed. Would you have fitting issues then you can replace with 650's ofcourse.
[Hurricane, LVL 3 Angel] Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
10MN Afterburner II Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Explosion Dampening Field II
720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Fusion M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Fusion M Small Tractor Beam I [empty high slot]
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Warrior II x5 Warrior II x1
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.27 16:10:00 -
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Cane... can fit more guns and missle launchers.
Can also massively passive shield thank the thing. So now you're getting more DPS and more tank.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.27 16:21:00 -
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I've never done passive tanking in missions; very much more familiar with active shield tanking.
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Blacksquirrel
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Posted - 2011.05.27 16:27:00 -
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^
It's easier http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/2066-PASSIVECANE.html
That one is even more tanked that what I used...and for lvl 3's my tank never broke once.
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.27 16:34:00 -
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Modeled off of Silas' fit, this is what I would like to give a try (this is fit for Guristas missions):
[Hurricane, Arty (PvE)] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Shield Power Relay II Tracking Enhancer II Shield Power Relay II Tracking Enhancer II
Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Ballistic Deflection Field II Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Titanium Sabot M 650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Titanium Sabot M 650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Titanium Sabot M 650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Titanium Sabot M 650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Titanium Sabot M 650mm Medium 'Scout' Artillery I, Titanium Sabot M 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile 'Arbalest' Assault Missile Launcher, Bloodclaw Light Missile
Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I Medium Core Defence Field Purger I
Hornet II x5 Hornet II x1
Comments/critiques?
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Silas Cooper
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Posted - 2011.05.27 17:06:00 -
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Edited by: Silas Cooper on 27/05/2011 17:11:45 You'd probably be better off with 2 kin resists rather than kin/invul or kin/therm. Also, the missiles won't add any meaningful dps but that's personal preference. Make sure to use phased plasma ammo and Hobgoblins. You don't need the midrange ammo really and hobs do more dps against Guristas.
All you need to know about shield regen tanking is that peak regen happens at 25-30% of total shield, so it's fine for your shield to drop as long as it starts to level out above 30%. If it pushes through 25% it's time to get out :)
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Cephelange du'Krevviq
Caldari Seventh Exploration and Engagement Command
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Posted - 2011.05.27 17:54:00 -
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Thank you for the advice and info, Silas.
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NoNah
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Posted - 2011.05.27 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Cipher Jones Overkill wont kill ships faster, that's why its called overkill. What does a l3 faster, a machariel that can kill everything in one hit, or a cyanabal that can kill everything in one hit?
Whichever your skills are more suited towards.
Based on that, I'd say machariel. Simply because it can volley 11 things instead of 6, and there's rather few missions where you need to shoot more than 11..
Without them, I'm not sure, but my money would still be on the machariel. I'm guessing there's more missions where the machariel would be faster than there are missions where the cynabal would be faster. Parrots, commence!
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Rushnik
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Posted - 2011.05.27 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Cipher Jones Overkill wont kill ships faster, that's why its called overkill. What does a l3 faster, a machariel that can kill everything in one hit, or a cyanabal that can kill everything in one hit?
Whichever your skills are more suited towards.
Based on that, I'd say machariel. Simply because it can volley 11 things instead of 6, and there's rather few missions where you need to shoot more than 11..
Without them, I'm not sure, but my money would still be on the machariel. I'm guessing there's more missions where the machariel would be faster than there are missions where the cynabal would be faster.
Well he ask if he should fly a hurricane or a cyclone.... if we speak about overkill why not: Vargur!
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Deerin
Minmatar Murientor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.27 21:59:00 -
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Don't know about 3's but I did 4's in my cyclone. Not sure if could've done them in a cane.
[Cyclone, Cyclone PvE Active] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
Domination X-Large Shield Booster 10MN Afterburner II Invulnerability Field II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II
425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Rocket
Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Medium Core Defence Capacitor safeguard I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Hobgoblin II x2 Hammerhead II x3
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.27 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rushnik
Originally by: NoNah
Originally by: Cipher Jones Overkill wont kill ships faster, that's why its called overkill. What does a l3 faster, a machariel that can kill everything in one hit, or a cyanabal that can kill everything in one hit?
Whichever your skills are more suited towards.
Based on that, I'd say machariel. Simply because it can volley 11 things instead of 6, and there's rather few missions where you need to shoot more than 11..
Without them, I'm not sure, but my money would still be on the machariel. I'm guessing there's more missions where the machariel would be faster than there are missions where the cynabal would be faster.
Well he ask if he should fly a hurricane or a cyclone.... if we speak about overkill why not: Vargur!
I'm saying a *hurricane* is overkill. . Adapt and overcome or become a monkey on an evolution poster.
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Flakey Foont
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Posted - 2011.05.28 20:09:00 -
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Hurricane for level 3s. But as mentioned, once your support skills get to 4 or 5 Hurricane becomes overkill. But that means more ISK per hour.
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