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Sameron
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:42:00 -
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looks like a clear and overwhelming public consensus here, I'm sure with a small amount of effort a reasonable solution can be found. Or you can just ignore everyone and argue with the more unhappy posters/occasional trolls (a mature/productive solution at the same time). Luckily some people are nice enough to fraps/post on youtube for the more fanatical dudes like me. I've spent a few hours each day sifting through heaps of youtube garbage for the few tourny fights there are out there. Supprise supprise i wasn't disappointed at the lack of mindless commentary or lower definition. Remember the chick that commentated last year? A real winner that one was.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:48:00 -
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Originally by: Ancient Memories MotherMoon you got owned in the face now get out.
There is other parts of the forum where you and your ilk can touch each other with words.
yeah I got so owned in the face when I said I agreed with him
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius
Originally by: MotherMoon Sadly people are throwing things around like, CCP loxy doesn't care about the tournament. How dare you, you want them tp pull the whole thing?
Show us a single piece of evidence that CCP Loxy cares about the tournament or is willing to listen to the community.
You mean other than being the only reason we have it? or thepast 6-7 years of hard work, without pay, making it what it is today? don't make me laugh. The allaince tournament IS loxy.
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Marcus D'Eriellius
Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.04 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: MotherMoon You mean other than being the only reason we have it? or thepast 6-7 years of hard work, without pay, making it what it is today? don't make me laugh. The allaince tournament IS loxy.
Fail.
The coverage we have enjoyed on EveTV in recent years has been a result of the hard work by CCP StevieSG, CCP Loxy failed to manage to arrange decent coverage before Stevie helped him out and now that she has gone he's failing again.
He doesn't care about the tournament nor does he listen to the community.
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Ranger 1
Amarr Paragon Fury Cascade Imminent
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ranger 1 on 04/06/2011 17:06:09
Originally by: Marcus D'Eriellius
Originally by: MotherMoon Sadly people are throwing things around like, CCP loxy doesn't care about the tournament. How dare you, you want them tp pull the whole thing?
Show us a single piece of evidence that CCP Loxy cares about the tournament or is willing to listen to the community.
It exists.
Presenting the alliance tournament at all is a rather huge undertaking. When was the last time YOU did something for the EVE community with several of your weekends rather than what you normally do?
Yeah, pretty much what I though.
I could care less about these initial rounds, that's more or less necessary grunt work that allows the main event to happen. When I watch the Olympics, I do care to watch every single damn match every athlete on the field went through to get there. I tune in to watch the main event, and I understand that all of the matches leading up to it probably will not be available for nationwide or worldwide broadcast like the Olympics are.
So just forget about the qualifying round (unless you are participating in them) and set your mental sites on the tournament itself.
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I love Stevie and am greatly saddened that she will not involved this year. In fact, that is fairly thread worthy in and of itself. I wasn't aware of the situation with her, somebody fill me in?
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Marcus D'Eriellius
Gallente Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Ranger 1
Edit: Don't get me wrong, I love Stevie and am greatly saddened that she will not involved this year. In fact, that is fairly thread worthy in and of itself. I wasn't aware of the situation with her, somebody fill me in?
CCP StevieSG Signing Off
It's not too late for CCP Loxy to admit he is wrong and invite a 3rd party to be on grid and stream the qualifiers tomorrow. Sadly I do not think he will.
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Gallente Nundinae
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Posted - 2011.06.04 17:16:00 -
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I'm a bit sick of all this voluntary stuff being thrown about.. is fanfest voluntary? and why is the alliance tournament voluntary anyway? if you care so much about the press it gives you that you can't stream anything (but to yourselves in the studio)then why is it still voluntary... too much conflicting fluff.
Plus the attitude to peoples concerns was basically, we know better than you "pats on the head" and we will do what we like regardless.
not letting anyone else stream is close to the biggest fail I have ever heard of because if CCP can't volunteer, then no-one else can either?!
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Rohnda
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:18:00 -
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Dear CCP soundwave , How is not allowing some player have accses to stream the qualifiers no suited for a big corporiaton?
Just have to ask since Riot games are doing it with huge succses and by my take on it, eating you alive as a game producing company.
Think you need to revise your oppinion on "big" since there are BIGGER corporations more succsesfull than you at making competitive gameplay and balancing, who just used this method to let players view their Qualifiers which where widely watched.
I for one shall be watching the League of legends Season 1 championship Live studio streamed from dreamhack on the 17/18. and qualifers this weekend and next which are being streamed as we speak. Btw please delete such stuff as ISD new corrspondance and stuff since it seems like a no brainer to me to just let someone like those guys who have the Hardware/internet for it stream..... but guess that would cost you money using someone else resources ................................................. so stop trolling and just admit your bad and it will change next year .
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FantomChaser
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Posted - 2011.06.04 19:31:00 -
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Cmon ccp i agree with every thing Ugleb has said.. and you cant tell me you dont have the money considering ppl from atlas and other alliances have offered to stream all the tournaments for FREE so we other can enjoy the fighting and not just hear the results its just crap... now im gonna watch Dream Hack qualifications and final tournament instead wich is the 18... cus this is just bad customer support... /Fc
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Nakatomi Kamatori
Minmatar Black Mesa
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Posted - 2011.06.05 03:05:00 -
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I can only speak for myself here, but the alliance tournament is something I look forward to all year. I greatly enjoy EVE as an e-sport, and I would like to see the alliance tournament made into a biannual event, or possibly the introduction of some other EVE e-sport event. I realize that may be difficult or impossible or not a priority or whatever, but at least let me get as much out of the alliance tournament as possible. I am not too worried about the quality, I am happy to go without the studio between the matches outside the final weekend, just please let me watch a simple stream of as many matches as possible, or even on youtube.
If, however, you insist that everything must be awesome top notch professional tv quality or nothing, then I would gladly pay to get that. I cannot speak for others, and I would prefer the alliance tournament to be free to watch, but personally I would be willing to pay real money to see more alliance tournament matches. I would easily pay the equivalent of a months subscription. I have to add to this that I noticed you charged money for the stream from fanfest, so it would seem that charging for your live streams is an option you are comfortable with.
Finally, I would just like to say thank you for all your great and hard work on the tournament. I appreciate that you are doing this as volunteer work, though it is hard for me to understand why CCP would not invest a bit more in such a popular event. It should not be necessary for CCP employees to work without pay.
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Kurj Valdoria
Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.05 03:23:00 -
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Wow. I totally forgot this was on today. Some interesting and some LOL results. I was too busy watching the low quality MLG stream of Starcraft2 all day. Even the HQ stream isn't that great. I suppose years from now I'll remember how the video quality wasn't quite 720p and how terrible it was because of that instead of remembering the awesome matches.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2011.06.05 07:54:00 -
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to be honest it's been kinda cool having the matches recorded from the players point of view. +10 for teams with coms on.
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Anth9rax
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.06.05 11:06:00 -
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I am so disappointed, I have been looking for the videos on youtube, guess this lack of coverage explains why I couldn't find them.
As to quality, can I ask if quality is why you are denying the community the ability to watch the matches, effectively intentionally not listening to your customers, why was the draw for the teams of such poor quality. Surely you can't say its a quality issue after the ping pong match draw.
You also mentioned it being because of it being a big company, well I used to work for Dell, if a manager failed to listen to the customers there I am sure it would have caused more issues than a quality issue where the customer had already waved their requirement for quality over service delivery.
Do the managers at the top level of CCP know you aren't listening to your customer, on such an important issue, I realise there is constant complaining with eve, a lot of which is unjustified once you consider real world requirements in running something so big, has that now ment that all complaints are tagged as simple moaning without regard to justification.
And why are you volunteering, its your job, why aren't you getting paid, it is either a tournament run by Eve or it isn't, if your not getting paid its not a CCP tournament, its a tournament organised and run by Eve players who happen to work for CCP during the week. If the comment ment you are getting payed to work weekend you normally wouldn't work, well thats just overtime and we all do it.
Why bother with fighting at all in qualifiers just do another draw for the winner, if its so unimportant, the way you have it at the moment, the majority of the community wouldn't even know.
All I want is to see is the fight, ships on each side and damage as its being taken, I don't need a set or commentary at all, even in later stages, I know enough about ship types fits and tactics to work that out for myself.
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Siiee
Recycled Heroes
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Posted - 2011.06.05 14:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Meanwhile they added 2 more pointless fights in the bracket system, while declining to let volunteers come record and upload the matches "because of quality concerns" they prefer zero coverage and decided incorrectly that we do too.
I don't think any of them have even the slightest inkling that we /dont/ want to see the matches, they all realize that we /do/ but they just don't care. Our viewing of the tournament falls below every other concern.
Originally by: Kil2 The reason i post is that it absolutely kills me to see so many people giving loxy a hard time. I can understand that you may not be happy with this or that but I hope everyone can keep in mind that the tournament just would not exist without this guy....
That's no excuse for the kind of attitude that's coming out of CCP re: this coverage. I understand that they're working extra to make it happen, and that they don't feel like they can provide coverage for the first half. That's fine, I don't like it but I can come to terms with that. It's the whole "This is /my/ sandbox, everybody else get out!" thing that really grinds me. Someone would have picked up the slack but they're too worried about appearing "Pro" to allow it.
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Your Stuff
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Posted - 2011.06.05 15:13:00 -
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Originally by: Kil2 Hi friends,
I dont really care to get involved in the main topic of this discussion, other than to say that I hope anyone who is currently disappointed will tune in for the 2 weekends of evetv, and hopefully be happy with what they see.
The reason i post is that it absolutely kills me to see so many people giving loxy a hard time. I can understand that you may not be happy with this or that but I hope everyone can keep in mind that the tournament just would not exist without this guy. Its that simple. For at least the 4 years ive had any involvement in the tournament, he has been coordinating every aspect of production and doing an amazing job, and hes always making huge sacrifices to make it happen.
Again, I know this doesn't necessarily have a huge bearing on the issue of how the tournament is covered from year to year and the decisions related to that topic, but I just hope i can encourage some of you to remember that loxy (and the rest of the team) are the good guys. They came from this community and they are trying to make the best show they can.
Hi I am sure your free trips to Iceland have nothing to do with the fact that you don't want to "get involved" - yet here you are white knighting for CCP.
The simple fact is that people care more about the matches themselves than watching you give the reach around to Stoffer in the studio. Its riveting.
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Xterea
Gallente Scisco Innovation Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.05 16:47:00 -
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I think that some people are missing the vital point in this entire debate. The fact of the matter is that those who do watch the Alliance Tournament watch it as a whole - with the studio coverage, the normally high-class commentary, the adverts and little jokes in the middle, and the quality of streaming/camera organization - and making this combination of events happen at the same time with precision and quality is a very hard and demanding thing to do.
Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
(If CCP wanted to really go nuts they could let the volunteers use their special client that lets them lock 10 ships and cloak, dunno if that's something they'd be allowed to trust randoms with)
But noooo, quality concerns and according to Loxy nobody cares about the pre-quals anyway~~~~~
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Kiree Chancel
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2011.06.05 17:57:00 -
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Edited by: Kiree Chancel on 05/06/2011 17:58:16 In my alliance, all roams and ops came to a grinding halt while we all swarmed over the one (overloaded) stream (that our own guys provided) to watch our dudes fight in round one. Intel channels went quiet, Alliance chat silent. Not a single **** reference. Not a single joke. Not one. From beginning to end of match.
...but yeah, no-one cares about the qualifiers. Sheesh. --
Originally by: CCP Capslock OH GOD THE TESTING
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Icyrax
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Posted - 2011.06.05 18:21:00 -
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Edited by: Icyrax on 05/06/2011 18:21:25 I rarely post, but I feel I have to support the OP.
I was looking forward to 4 weekends of watching some excellent entertainment. I'm very disappointed in CCP's decision not to provide video of the pre-qualifiers.
I appreciate the cost/time of a fully commentated offering, but even the commentators screen from previous tournaments without voice-over would be a huge step forwarded compared to the current situation. Surely this is not cost prohibitive.
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Gallente Nundinae
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Posted - 2011.06.05 20:23:00 -
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as you have probably noticed if you have been following this thread, they have just decided to stop replying as they have nothing to say except... we will do what we want regardless!
less coverage, lots of upsets merely displayed as headlines or stats with none of the coverage as to how it happened...
epic fail
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Xterea
Gallente Scisco Innovation Corp
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
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Alexi Blue
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 10:58:00 -
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Edited by: Alexi Blue on 06/06/2011 10:58:48 nvm
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Angel HUN
Spricer WE FORM VOLTRON
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Posted - 2011.06.06 14:32:00 -
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Edited by: Angel HUN on 06/06/2011 14:33:02
Originally by: Xterea
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
Not sure if serious.
Originally by: CCP Oveur
We. Will. Never. Leave. EVE.
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Dasola
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:38:00 -
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SHAME on your ccp, for not utilising biggest PR chance you have withing community. Alliance tournament is very very much waited event among all those hardcore PVP veterans. Personally im disapointed that 5man pre qualifiers are not covered. Good thing you dont work in same factory i work for. That couple weekends of overtime in my workplace would not be enough when season demand really hits us.
Hopefully your atleast see your wrong ways and redeem your ways next year. I think this year is lost. In some way i feel ccp charged entry fees for nothing, since most exiting change of tournament is not even covered.
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Mylor Torlone
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Posted - 2011.06.06 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xterea
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Originally by: Xterea Letting volunteers simply stream fights, or provide basic commentary would not draw in tonnes of audience numbers, and would still need the oversight of at least one member of CCP.
Seriously ? We're talking about a tiny amount of extra effort teleporting the volunteers to the field, they don't even need to be able to lock the people competing.. This staggering amount of extra work could be done by a single GM who would already be present on the field.
Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
Yes.
Otherwise, maybe CCP should pay for professionals to do it
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.06 17:23:00 -
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Originally by: Xterea Do you think that these volunteers would be able to assemble media to cover the breaks between matches, provide well-structured studio coverage, and also provide well-informed commentary?
Yeah like we need a studio or coverage between matches ? You think anyone cares about that ? The pew pew is what matters, well informed commentary in addition wouldn't hurt but that's something literally thousands of people would be easily capable of providing.
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Fumb Duck
Awww Diddums.. Aggravated Assault..
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Posted - 2011.06.07 13:26:00 -
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But we want to see you in your funky hat again Tyrrax..
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China Chick
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Posted - 2011.06.08 06:21:00 -
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/Signed
Is it really this bad or are we gonna see the pre fights on youtube later on?
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Florest Gum
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Posted - 2011.06.08 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shines Then why don't all of the participating teams refuse to fight until standards are met? That might make ccp take another look
+1
Don't get me wrong I totally am grateful for the time and effort that is put in organizing the AT but low-quality is better than no quality all the time.
But towards my fellow EVE players/fans:
Many of the posts here that agree with the original poster are members of the participating or potential AT teams. For all the "care" you go on about the community, a agreement between alliances on not participating in the next tourney unless it has some recording (even if not live stream or CCP coverage) or stream by other ppl than the ones concentrating on putting up a good fight for us could be an option; just my 0.02ISK.
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Nyveg
Hyperborea Re
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Posted - 2011.06.09 00:32:00 -
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This thread is like a warm hearth fire at an obsequies. I'm watching ugly chicks munching smoked sheep loins while it lasts.
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