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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.29 10:51:00 -
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.. The pod.
The pod appears at the end of a set of metal stairs; A lower part of your balcony. Aren't these pods supposed to full of liquid? What, exactly, happens when the pod opens up? Or hell, when you go to undock? Do you take off your clothes and then get in? What happens when you dock and you get out of your pod? Do you just stand there covered in goo on the balcony until you dry off enough to put your clothes on? Or are these a new generation of "Dry Pods" which you can just sit in and have something jammed into the back of your head?
I realize this is a minor fictional quibble, but given that the whole point of Incarna is immersion, it just kind of.. bugs me.
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.29 10:55:00 -
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RP and background went out the window. CCP needed a test environment for their new vampire mmo which will use the same engine. Also it's a cash-cow to attract more temporary players. Anything remotely to do with eve is second place. They're only in it for the money now.
At least that's how it's perceived by a lot of us. Shiney new things sell better then fixing broker and/or unfinished content. ------ http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4441/evesigr.jpg
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Miilla
Minmatar Hulkageddon Orphanage
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:00:00 -
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Edited by: Miilla on 29/05/2011 11:00:49 They've always been in it for the money, they all have been.
Just pray EA doesn't get involved.
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The Illustrious Juden
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:04:00 -
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Well the idea of WiS is a pretty old one. I do think they scrapped all the progress they had made to work with the vampire MMO. I stopped paying attention/believing anything about it as happening in reality. I'm just going to believe CQ is coming out in 3 weeks and close my eyes.
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:05:00 -
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There has already been a trailer released that explained exactly how the pod works... Only issue here is that the pod seems to be rather exposed to the view of the hangar.
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III ZiggyBang
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:06:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R RP and background went out the window. CCP needed a test environment for their new vampire mmo which will use the same engine. Also it's a cash-cow to attract more temporary players. Anything remotely to do with eve is second place. They're only in it for the money now.
At least that's how it's perceived by a lot of us. Shiney new things sell better then fixing broker and/or unfinished content.
yes & they need us to pay for Devs to work on other games because they are slaves to dreams of expansion & greater market share etc. Which is fine but when I'm told that we need MT to fund faster development of content in EvE I get a little sore. Lets not forget it's EvE players that pay the fr1ggin bills around here!
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Sunji Togenada
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:09:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer Aren't these pods supposed to full of liquid? What, exactly, happens when the pod opens up?
This happens.
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Or hell, when you go to undock? Do you take off your clothes and then get in?
Yes. Which are then stored in a handy little personal effects compartment in the pod where they don't get wet like the rest of you when the goo tank is refilled.
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Do you just stand there covered in goo on the balcony until you dry off enough to put your clothes on?
Maybe some pilots do. Others go take a quick shower and towel off.
Now for the next question: "Why don't I explicitly see any of this happening? I just appear there fully dressed in the balcony!"
Allow me to answer that question with some other questions: Why does undocking a massive, town sized ship from a kilometers-wide chamber in a station as busy as jita only take 10 seconds? For that matter, why is docking in a crowded station with only one visible docking bay from the opposite side of the station just as quick and easy? Why do ships slow down and stop in space when the thrusters are shut down? What maniac designed the engine placement on the Griffin frigate?
The answer to all these questions and more is the MST3K Mantra.
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Sadayiel
Caldari Silver Snake Enterprise Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer .. The pod.
The pod appears at the end of a set of metal stairs; A lower part of your balcony. Aren't these pods supposed to full of liquid? What, exactly, happens when the pod opens up? Or hell, when you go to undock? Do you take off your clothes and then get in? What happens when you dock and you get out of your pod? Do you just stand there covered in goo on the balcony until you dry off enough to put your clothes on? Or are these a new generation of "Dry Pods" which you can just sit in and have something jammed into the back of your head?
I realize this is a minor fictional quibble, but given that the whole point of Incarna is immersion, it just kind of.. bugs me.
You know the pod can have a system to be filled with an special connection, then drained the same way it is not a permanent pool there. It's Sci-fi why the pod goo can't be something with similar liquid properties as mercury after the whole goo it's drained a quick shower and everything it's clean (like the ones in high containment areas with hazmat suits)
Probable the pod pilot it's just wearing some kind of jumpsuit made of either neopren or another material, so CCP missed the whole go to the dress room and exchange the suit to normal cloths i would love keep that full inmersion and see the ragecry of the whiners.
P.D: yes you are all right CCP it's just a giant money grinding machine, and now we are their WoD testers so you have several options either shut up and eat it or quit paying them (and playing with PLEX it's also supporting CCP)
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sunji Togenada The answer to all these questions and more is the MST3K Mantra.
Now, see, I don't buy that; This isn't a minor quibble I disregard for the sake of consistency. I could just about suspend disbelief that docking and undocking is sped up, but that was because the inside of the spacestation was effectively a black box; Your ship just appeared there and when you switched them they vanished and were replaced. Okay, I can suspend disbelief there. There's stuff happening, but I don't need to see it.
.. But now the open pod is there. It's there, it's open and exposed, and it's going "look how real this all is". And then I magically teleport into my pod and take off my clothes. You can be abstract, or you can be realistic, but you can't be both at the same time. It'd be better if getting into your pod involved going into a side door in your quarters or something. That I could just about buy. But the pod being exposed like that? That's just.. weird.
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NoScream
Amarr Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
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Posted - 2011.05.29 11:22:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 29/05/2011 11:00:49 They've always been in it for the money, they all have been.
Just pray EA doesn't get involved.
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Sunji Togenada
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Posted - 2011.05.29 12:37:00 -
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Originally by: Black Dranzer ..
I'm sorry, I don't understand where you're coming from here.
I don't see how filling in some of the gaps of what happens inside stations, the way they just did with the pod, is immersion breaking. Unless it is different from the vision you've developed for how the world in EVE works. I personally thought the pod was a beautiful touch, a perfect addition to the captains quarters and in a spot that made a lot of sense to me.
I was worried from the earlier public test versions of the quarters that the all-important pod would just be left out or hidden, and there would be even more new players who didn't understand what the pod was.
Is there something wrong with the pod being placed at the end of the balcony, or is it something you think just shouldn't be seen by the player? How is having the pod hidden away in a place you can never see more acceptable?
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Zoroa Aulx-Gao
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zoroa Aulx-Gao on 29/05/2011 13:02:08
Originally by: Sunji Togenada
Originally by: Black Dranzer ..
I'm sorry, I don't understand where you're coming from here.
I don't see how filling in some of the gaps of what happens inside stations, the way they just did with the pod, is immersion breaking. Unless it is different from the vision you've developed for how the world in EVE works. I personally thought the pod was a beautiful touch, a perfect addition to the captains quarters and in a spot that made a lot of sense to me.
I was worried from the earlier public test versions of the quarters that the all-important pod would just be left out or hidden, and there would be even more new players who didn't understand what the pod was.
Is there something wrong with the pod being placed at the end of the balcony, or is it something you think just shouldn't be seen by the player? How is having the pod hidden away in a place you can never see more acceptable?
This. Surely the fact that they bothered putting it in at all is better than leaving it out and assuming that your character makes a leap of faith over to the ship.
Also I think there's plenty of examples of this kind of 'break in immersion' within game, docking and undocking for example, when you see the little bar thats a subsitute for what you know is happening; your ship navigating out of the station from it's hangar. My point being is that when you click undock when CQ is out, there's just more steps to the process most assume is happening but don't see.
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:12:00 -
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Black Dranzer, along with half the other people in this thread are nothing but trolling idiots. They have no real interest in EVE, they have no interest in RP or the mechanics of how things work.
The only thing they are interested in, which is clear form their individual posting histories, is being sad little bastards who do nothing but whine constantly about this game, the people who make it and the people who play it. The irony is of course is that they are still here, still playing and still posting.
Makes it all the clearer just how sad these people must be in real life.
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Black Dranzer
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:17:00 -
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:(
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Black Dranzer, along with half the other people in this thread are nothing but trolling idiots. They have no real interest in EVE, they have no interest in RP or the mechanics of how things work.
The only thing they are interested in, which is clear form their individual posting histories, is being sad little bastards who do nothing but whine constantly about this game, the people who make it and the people who play it. The irony is of course is that they are still here, still playing and still posting.
Makes it all the clearer just how sad these people must be in real life.
These forums need a "ignore threads/posts from user" function.
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Usagi Tsukino
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:24:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys Black Dranzer, along with half the other people in this thread are nothing but trolling idiots. They have no real interest in EVE, they have no interest in RP or the mechanics of how things work.
The only thing they are interested in, which is clear form their individual posting histories, is being sad little bastards who do nothing but whine constantly about this game, the people who make it and the people who play it. The irony is of course is that they are still here, still playing and still posting.
Makes it all the clearer just how sad these people must be in real life.
Not empty quoting. ___
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Lauren DiMatteo
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Posted - 2011.05.29 13:27:00 -
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A "Block morons like Black Dranzer and Miilla" function is the only reason to look forward to new forums tbh.
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ivar R'dhak
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.05.29 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 29/05/2011 18:13:21
Originally by: Lauren DiMatteo A "Block morons like Black Dranzer and Miilla" function is the only reason to look forward to new forums tbh.
Taking the words out of my mouth, only your name and other CCP fanbois would be prominent in my ignore folder.
OP¦s problem isn¦t a minor one but THE immersion breaker in this whole Incarna thing.
CCP simply decided that having a space couch is preferable to the cool and scientifically sound Matrix-style goo pod. As sitting on a couch can be done in the AURUM clothes. The clothes compartment is simply a lame back-peddle trying to explain away the botched up lore inconsistency.
I was actually looking forward to the above "vomiting" pod exit. It had style, was true to the now 8 year old lore and nicely explains why NOT to unplug from the pod at EVERY FRICKEN DOCK. The pod dock chamber would¦ve also nicely doubled for the bath that¦s sorely missing now. ______________ Mal-¦Appears we got here just in a nick of time. What does that make us?¦ Zoe-`Big damn heroes, sir.` Mal-¦Aint we just.¦ |
Montevius Williams
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Guilliman R RP and background went out the window. CCP needed a test environment for their new vampire mmo which will use the same engine. Also it's a cash-cow to attract more temporary players. Anything remotely to do with eve is second place. They're only in it for the money now.
At least that's how it's perceived by a lot of us. Shiney new things sell better then fixing broker and/or unfinished content.
CCP has ALWAYS been in it for the money rofl. If people thought otherwise
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Guilliman R
Gallente Northstar Cabal Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Montevius Williams
Originally by: Guilliman R RP and background went out the window. CCP needed a test environment for their new vampire mmo which will use the same engine. Also it's a cash-cow to attract more temporary players. Anything remotely to do with eve is second place. They're only in it for the money now.
At least that's how it's perceived by a lot of us. Shiney new things sell better then fixing broker and/or unfinished content.
CCP has ALWAYS been in it for the money rofl. If people thought otherwise
But they used to work on EVE spaceships for their money, not EVE underpants. :( ------ http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/4441/evesigr.jpg
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Scarlet des Loupes
Gallente University of Caille
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak I was actually looking forward to the above "vomiting" pod exit. It had style, was true to the now 8 year old lore and nicely explains why NOT to unplug from the pod at EVERY FRICKEN DOCK.
Agreed, that makes sense.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 29/05/2011 19:45:43
- The pod really needs a separate room, not at the end of the hangar balcony, it makes NO sense at all to be there.
Entering the CQ should be optional, the ability to dock and enter the hangar should still be there, or switch between the hangar and CQ. Its not going to effect immersion, in fact it will be better for immersion. Exiting and entering the Pod could be integrated as a skipable cut scene then.
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Aeronwen Carys
Empire of Dust
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: ivar R'dhak Edited by: ivar R''dhak on 29/05/2011 18:13:21
Originally by: Lauren DiMatteo A "Block morons like Black Dranzer and Miilla" function is the only reason to look forward to new forums tbh.
Taking the words out of my mouth, only your name and other CCP fanbois would be prominent in my ignore folder.
OP¦s problem isn¦t a minor one but THE immersion breaker in this whole Incarna thing.
CCP simply decided that having a space couch is preferable to the cool and scientifically sound Matrix-style goo pod. As sitting on a couch can be done in the AURUM clothes. The clothes compartment is simply a lame back-peddle trying to explain away the botched up lore inconsistency.
I was actually looking forward to the above "vomiting" pod exit. It had style, was true to the now 8 year old lore and nicely explains why NOT to unplug from the pod at EVERY FRICKEN DOCK. The pod dock chamber would¦ve also nicely doubled for the bath that¦s sorely missing now.
I am 100% certain that if they made you wait the 20 minutes for you to undock your POD from the ship, transfer to the POD gantry, de-POD and clean up and then get dressed, we would see you back on these forums in a frikken heartbeat whining like moron about how EVE is broken and how much you hate it.
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Teebee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2011.05.29 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 29/05/2011 11:00:49 They've always been in it for the money, they all have been.
Just pray EA doesn't get involved.
EvE is a special game, you cant make too much money from a game that is sandbox because most people are geared to linear game play but if you do your genius, EvE has a crazy advertisement team I mean I see eve in alot of sites I go to even the ones that are not about gaming also we cant make the mistake comparing EvE to a game like WoW because Scifi is in a whole league of its own the only curse to EvE is gates. You can't really complain because look how long it took for them to create walking in stations I think its really cool and ads to the realism and phantasy aspect of the game I only hope that technology advances faster so we can enjoy eve with low lag times so you wont notice its there especialy in fleet battles then I think they would make the universe even bigger.
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Astroka
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Posted - 2011.05.29 20:11:00 -
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Originally by: Teebee
Originally by: Miilla Edited by: Miilla on 29/05/2011 11:00:49 They've always been in it for the money, they all have been.
Just pray EA doesn't get involved.
EvE is a special game, you cant make too much money from a game that is sandbox because most people are geared to linear game play but if you do your genius, EvE has a crazy advertisement team I mean I see eve in alot of sites I go to even the ones that are not about gaming also we cant make the mistake comparing EvE to a game like WoW because Scifi is in a whole league of its own the only curse to EvE is gates. You can't really complain because look how long it took for them to create walking in stations I think its really cool and ads to the realism and phantasy aspect of the game I only hope that technology advances faster so we can enjoy eve with low lag times so you wont notice its there especialy in fleet battles then I think they would make the universe even bigger.
This was incredibly hard to read, but after giving it an attempt, here: The EVE website puts a cookie on your computer that makes EVE ads show up all the time. Otherwise, you'd almost never see them.
Originally by: Ioci Welcome to the bustedness of EVE.
1 guy can disband a 2000 man alliance and wipe out trillions, that's cool. Give back a noob 10 mill? No, that's game breaking.
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JC Anderson
Caldari Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2011.05.29 20:15:00 -
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Was wondering why I see eve adverts all over the damn place when browsing.
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Soden Rah
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.05.29 21:02:00 -
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Originally by: JC Anderson Was wondering why I see eve adverts all over the damn place when browsing.
the power of cookies. get firefox, load with privacy add-ons. delete LSO cookies, block adds and never worry again... not sure why you posted that here though? __________________________________________________
Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
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Emergency Messenger
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Posted - 2011.05.29 21:06:00 -
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It's also why RMTers think RMT is blossoming. They see adds everywhere for it.
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.05.29 21:06:00 -
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I'd rather see EVE adds than adds about hair cream and nail polish... --------------------------------------------- Somewhere beyond happyness and sadness, I need to calculate what creates my own madness o/ |
S'qarpium D'igil
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Posted - 2011.05.29 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperforce99 Edited by: Hyperforce99 on 29/05/2011 19:45:43
- The pod really needs a separate room, not at the end of the hangar balcony, it makes NO sense at all to be there.
Entering the CQ should be optional, the ability to dock and enter the hangar should still be there, or switch between the hangar and CQ. Its not going to effect immersion, in fact it will be better for immersion. Exiting and entering the Pod could be integrated as a skipable cut scene then.
QFT
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