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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.05.30 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Constantinus Maximus Though CCP won't let us because it defeats their goal of beta testing WoD.
I'll be more than happy to help beta test their WoD character engine once my pre-budgeted upgrade plan lands me with a computer that can run Incarna properly. I have two Quafe t-shirts to redeem in-game, dammit! I want to wear them and interact with other pilots on the station concourse.
What I don't want is to have to load Incarna every time I dock. It's really that simple.
There are technical reasons for this: my lowest-end computer can barely run EVE as it is (MacBook Air with integrated graphics). It won't even be sufficient for purposes of updating orders, updating the skill queue and running an AFK drone boat alt when I'm mission-running - unless I leave that alt permanently undocked. Even on my "best" system it takes an extra minute to get to the point that I can interact with station services such as fittings or agents.
There are RP reasons for opting out of Incarna: why would a capsuleer decant every time they enter station?
There are PR reasons for this: CCP has presented us in the past with statements that Incarna is optional (but awesome), they showed us a tech demo where the ship docked as normal, but we could choose to enter captains quarters. They showed us the video of the capsuleer being decanted and told us, "we want to emphasise that leaving the capsule is a debasing experience for the capsuleer". Now they're just taking all that back.
I'd like CCP to stick to their story. Capsuleers don't like being outside their capsules - it's a disorenting experience. They'll leave the capsule when there's something worth leaving for - the company of other capsuleers, black market boosters to obtain, or just the opportunity to lounge in their amazing designer clothing and feed their vanity.
I love the concept, I like what they've done so far, but I don't like being forced into CQ every time I dock - this is game-breakingly bad from a technical viewpoint and an immersion viewpoint. I'm not going to decant from a pod in the most public area of a space station every time I dock
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Hakaru Ishiwara
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2011.05.30 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 29/05/2011 18:54:22
+1 to keeping the OPTION to either use the old station environment or CQ/Incarna as an ESC menu dropdown. Default option would be CQ/Incarna, you would have to manually "opt out" of it in favor of the old hangar.
If not that, then at least the OPTION to "not load CQ/Incarna environment", and merely display a static background picture instead (pure black background would be fine too). Default option would be to load CQ/Incarna, you have to manually "opt out" of loading it at all.
This.
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Andrev Nox
Escapism Incorporated Reliance.
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Posted - 2011.05.30 04:13:00 -
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o/
Role Reform
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SamtheDog
Singularity. Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:00:00 -
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X
Walking in stations seems more like a timesink to me. Then again, if they did it right, they could slow down the bots enough to make eve not worthwhile. Sorta like fighting bots with random steps that they can't anticipate as they do now.
Could that be a potential advantage to walking in stations?
Sammy "Never underestimate greed or stupidity...you can always see it emerge in the end" |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: SamtheDog Could that be a potential advantage to walking in stations?
It could be, but it isn't and it won't be, because they've (rightfully) decided that this would make the game far too slow and annoying for real people to play as well. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
cerbus
Aliastra
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Posted - 2011.05.30 05:59:00 -
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sad to say, but I agree with both Lady Spank AND Akita T.
But then again we did champion this last year with hardly any support from the playerbase, so I guess we get what we deserve.
cerbus
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.30 07:35:00 -
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X
However there simply won't be any option NOT to load CQ because CCP "know best"
We'll see how fast it gets put in after the mass whine/unsubs when people realise just how intrusive/repetitive/slow it actually is. That's quite apart from the people (probably a significant percentage) who currently crash in CQ and knowing CCP will still be crashing come June 21.
tl;dr won't happen unless people hit the unsub button or PCU drops fast.
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Komen
Gallente The Night Crew
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Posted - 2011.05.30 09:52:00 -
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X.
I realize CCP have put a lot of work into the CQ but, short of actually having a reason to disembark my pod, I have no interest in this feature. A mirror to play dress up doesn't earn me ISK, kills, or satisfying gameplay. A 3d-room that replaces (and yet doesn't replace) my station services is not necessary.
I don't even mind Incarna - in fact, I look forward to having reasons to go into public and corporate spaces, so long as those reasons are not ripped away from the 'flying spaecships in space' portion of the game. But JUST being forced to go to CQ for no other reason than that you say this is best - I strongly disagree with this.
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Potato IQ
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Posted - 2011.05.30 09:52:00 -
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Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: Potato IQ Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring
Yeah, uhmà except that the whole problem is that unlike most elements in EVE, you have to do it whether you want to or not.
But good job on reading and understanding the issue at hand and insulting people for things you have no idea about. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
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Rasz Lin
Caldari Uitraan Diversified Holdings Incorporated
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:14:00 -
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Originally by: Lady Natacha
They would not lie to us would they?
aahaha
also X
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Alara IonStorm
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:19:00 -
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Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 30/05/2011 10:20:53
Originally by: Potato IQ Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring
Thats not the issue, no one is asking for the ability to play the game without Incarna but to be able to use stations without having to load it.
My Computer is a Laptop, I play EVE near the highest setting, 200 man fleet battles run smooth as does any other thing I do in space. I got this computer a month before the new Character creator came out, I unsubbed and 2 months ago I came back and logged in. When creating Alara I had to restart the creator 3 times because I clicked commands to fast and it froze up on me. I showed the creator off to a friend by clicking the surgury option and it took 30 seconds to load the Avatar and about 10 seconds everytime I needed to change the veiw.
I like Incarna, the idea of it. I support the whole Sci Fi Sim they want to build EVE into. The actual game play elements run fine on my Laptop, but the creator does not. I am worried that if I have to enter the Captains Quarters each and every time I need to dock it will take me 5 times as long to do anything do too annoying lag spikes. That is why a station interface with out having to load the 3D Avatar would be a great option. If Incarna runs fine or I get the money together to purchase a Computer that can run it and a better internet connection I plan to take advantage of everything it has to offer.
Till then an option that lets me keep the game playable is a good thing.
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Calathea Sata
State War Academy
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:23:00 -
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Getting out of pod EVERYTIME you dock is immersion breaking because when I RP I like to think that I can stay safe and still command everything in the pod.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:30:00 -
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I support this while...
...it has not been proven that it doesn't cause issues on any clients computer. ...it is something what isn't absolutely needed to play the game.
Tbh 1st couple weeks after incarna release are the most worrying ones. Some people will get problems and unless there is some method to disable the CQ element, they just can't play before patch is released or before they walk to computer shop and get new rig. This is just plain stupid and could be solved with one checkbox.
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Halcyon Ingenium
Caldari Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:34:00 -
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You can Opt Out, just don't dock. On the other hand has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? ________________________________________________
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OilSlick Rick
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Potato IQ Like most elements in Eve, you don't want to do it, then don't. Those that do, will. Just another wine post. Boring
Yeah, uhmà except that the whole problem is that unlike most elements in EVE, you have to do it whether you want to or not.
But good job on reading and understanding the issue at hand and insulting people for things you have no idea about.
Be gentle on people that have the IQ of a potato.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:41:00 -
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Edited by: Serpents smile on 30/05/2011 10:40:55 To be honest, I don't give a frakk.
As long as you can do *everything* you can do docked now in the same time.
And maybe I'll check-out the high-heels when they arrive. Lol.
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:41:00 -
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x ----- Andreus Ixiris CEO, Mixed Metaphor
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Ronald Ray Gun
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Posted - 2011.05.30 10:55:00 -
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x I dont need the 'stuck in a prison cell' feature thanks. |
MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:03:00 -
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Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 30/05/2011 11:03:37 x
Yeah. Just put a "leave pod" button on the station panel.
Incarna is supposed to add to the immersion factor. That just doesn't fly with my character leaving his pod every single time he/she docks at a station.
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Martin Mckenna
V0LTA VOLTA Corp
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:08:00 -
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Shut the **** up whining
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Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Fina on 30/05/2011 11:14:30 On the test server, do you "spawn" in the new station-view by default? And is the old stationview not available anymore?
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:15:00 -
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If there's one reason and one reason only for making the CQ optional is that it WILL bore the arse off all of you.
How many games have you played with a transitional animation/cutscene every time you go to get a new mission/quest/buy stuff/whatever?
If you've played any at all you will remember how annoyed you became with the cutscenes/animation EVERY DAMN TIME you wanted to view your missions/progress/buy stuff. You will probably remember hammering the ESC key while cursing clueless developers.
How is CQ going to be in any way different?
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Cunane Jeran
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Cunane Jeran on 30/05/2011 11:15:47 I need the opt out, my laptop is dying and if I put it under heavy load it just shuts itself down, I've tried everything, but it looks like its just an age thing (funnily enough the only game it can handle is eve as it stands.)
Won't be able to buy a new one til after summer (though I'm going to build a kick ass tower laptops be damned)
So I'm not going to be docking often, if at all after its out.
*edit* If anyone has any fixing ideas for the laptop also let me know :p
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Fredrick Engly
RaVal Thyokill Industies Inc. Intergalactic Exports Group
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:16:00 -
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posted...cant be arsed to download a 3Gb upgrade to sit and stare at myself in the mirror in my own single player quarters.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:19:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna Shut the **** up whining
Either a) stuff a sock in it and suffer from lactic acidosis, or b) learn to read. Your choice, reallyà
Originally by: Cpt Fina On the test server, do you "spawn" in the new station-view by default? And is the old stationview not available anymore?
There is only the CQ. No options. No defaults (because a default would indicated that there is a non-default, and there is none ù only the CQ).
Originally by: Othran If there's one reason and one reason only for making the CQ optional is that it WILL bore the arse off all of you.
And the other one reason is that there is quite literally no reason for not providing it. Even on Duality, where it is non-optional, does the game actually require it to be fully functional. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Vernn Miller
Caldari Dreddit
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:24:00 -
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Ohh great so now even if I don`t want to see any of the CQ or fit my ship thru a new fitting interface or walk in stations, I`m FORCED to load up Incarna everytime I dock up because some ***got dev though it would be a good idea? What ever happened to the "the universe is yours" and whatever happened to this being a game about spaceships not playing doll dress-up?
As many others I don`t give a **** about all this doll dress-up and walking around in my underpants in a station in Motsu. Enjoy your hoards of new subscribers CCP! Hey who knows maybe in the next patch we`ll have skill retrains to get rid of the "choices you make stay with you" just so that the game becomes even easier.
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Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cpt Fina On the test server, do you "spawn" in the new station-view by default? And is the old stationview not available anymore?
There is only the CQ. No options. No defaults (because a default would indicated that there is a non-default, and there is none ù only the CQ).
So the playability / interface is much worse now? Will this mostly affect people with low end computers and "high frequency" dockers (haulers)?
Or will this also make it more cumbersome for traders? For example, can I still have multiple windows open simultaneously (like wallet, market, hangar, items)?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina So the playability / interface is much worse now? Will this mostly affect people with low end computers and "high frequency" dockers (haulers)?
The interface is the same (with some minor alterations that come as part of CarbonUI), except you can also access certain functions by walking around and clicking on various installations in your quarters.
The interface pops up while the CQ is loading, but is obviously slowed down by the loading process. Also, your computer will naturally have to work harder to render the whole thing. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2011.05.30 11:40:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cpt Fina So the playability / interface is much worse now? Will this mostly affect people with low end computers and "high frequency" dockers (haulers)?
The interface is the same (with some minor alterations that come as part of CarbonUI), except you can also access certain functions by walking around and clicking on various installations in your quarters.
The interface pops up while the CQ is loading, but is obviously slowed down by the loading process. Also, your computer will naturally have to work harder to render the whole thing.
Ok, thank you for the clarification.
And, X, I do think this should be optional.
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