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Reppyk
The Black Shell
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Posted - 2012.09.08 14:23:00 -
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Greeting citizens.
First, this is not a EVE IS DYING !11!! thread.
I was cruising in highsec, testing some 100mn stabber fits. I went in 2 different ice fields (hi, my dear test subjects) and noticed something funny : in the first one, a RAZOR member was mining. In the second one, there were 3 goons in barges (and they were really mining).
So, my first reaction was to find who was wardeccing them and gave them the intel, since it's fun to see the CFC bears dying. Because highsec "is for pubbies", right ? "We don't care about wardecs", etc etc.
They had none. That's why "Bat country" is ganking a few freighters each day in Niarja.
Puzzled, I checked all the major 00 alliances. Almost no one is currently wardecced. Why ? Is it because Inferno f|_|cked the wardec prices ? Or people are finally bored about the horrible wardec mechanisms ?
CITIZENS OF C+P THE NULL-SEC PUBBIES ARE COMING TO US LET'S RUN TO THE HILLS |
lanyaie
516
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Posted - 2012.09.08 16:18:00 -
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OMG YOU NOTICED THAT? hold on let me get a medal for you What do I put in here?
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Evolution1979
No Self Esteem Malefic Aspects
53
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:00:00 -
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Well then some large entities might have trouble keeping their members in nullsec. So we might just see goons deccing some really good hisec corp or something soon, just to keep their members in null. Or that might not happen and goons will take over hisec also. In any real case, nobody cares i think. Well except the dudes who lose the freighters ofcourse.
But that was not your point i guess. CCP should fix wardec prices obviously. Then again they have a lot to fix, so this might take a while! |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
165
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:17:00 -
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Evolution1979 wrote:Well then some large entities might have trouble keeping their members in nullsec. So we might just see goons deccing some really good hisec corp or something soon, just to keep their members in null. Or the other way : the 00 alliances could pay some mercs to get wardecced.
I like the idea !
Evolution1979 wrote:But that was not your point i guess. CCP should fix wardec prices obviously. Then again they have a lot to fix, so this might take a while! See you in 5 years ! :D |
Evolution1979
No Self Esteem Malefic Aspects
53
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Posted - 2012.09.08 17:22:00 -
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Just thought about this, but what if you start griefing those nullsec miners in highsec. Bumping them out of range, maybe ganking with some tornado's if possible or killing freighters. Bumping freighters so they will never warp or get anywere might be fun also. Keep that up for about 3 hours and they will just logoff probably. So much ideas..... so little time |
TheBreadMuncher
Boxxed Up Industries EPIC Alliance
272
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:25:00 -
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Your thread is bad and you should feel bad "We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
165
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:31:00 -
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I'm so proud of the C&P in-game channel GÖÑ |
Kalel Nimrott
Wishful Desires Inc. Armada Assail
45
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Posted - 2012.09.08 19:49:00 -
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Goons minig in hisec. Eve is dying. |
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
328
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Posted - 2012.09.08 20:33:00 -
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War dec prices too high. CCP should roll back the Alliance P nerf imo. |
lanyaie
517
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Posted - 2012.09.09 01:12:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:War dec prices too high. CCP should roll back the Alliance P nerf imo.
Shut up obvious npc alt, your opinion is not valid. What do I put in here?
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2106
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Posted - 2012.09.09 01:30:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:War dec prices too high. CCP should roll back the Alliance P nerf imo. Shut up obvious npc alt, your opinion is not valid.
CCP killed my career in the Privateers....
they took my job! "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
serras bang
Lucien Coven
21
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Posted - 2012.09.09 01:40:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Greeting citizens.
First, this is not a EVE IS DYING !11!! thread.
I was cruising in highsec, testing some 100mn stabber fits. I went in 2 different ice fields (hi, my dear test subjects) and noticed something funny : in the first one, a RAZOR member was mining. In the second one, there were 3 goons in barges (and they were really mining).
So, my first reaction was to find who was wardeccing them and gave them the intel, since it's fun to see the CFC bears dying. Because highsec "is for pubbies", right ? "We don't care about wardecs", etc etc.
They had none. That's why "Bat country" is ganking a few freighters each day in Niarja.
Puzzled, I checked all the major 00 alliances. Almost no one is currently wardecced. Why ? Is it because Inferno f|_|cked the wardec prices ? Or people are finally bored about the horrible wardec mechanisms ?
CITIZENS OF C+P THE NULL-SEC PUBBIES ARE COMING TO US LET'S RUN TO THE HILLS
combination of a few things 1 being the price witch forces some old war dec grifers to think and caused exactly what ccp wanted and that was the war dec mechanic to mean something not just spitefull vets useing it as a griefing mechanic.
the other reason could be cause the defenders now have much more options over the egressors with the fact they can call in mercs to help them fight.
and it could also be due to win conditions being specified and the defenders able to turn the tables on the attackers and prolonging a dec cause the win conditions aint meet. |
lanyaie
518
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Posted - 2012.09.09 09:15:00 -
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Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:lanyaie wrote:Vaal Erit wrote:War dec prices too high. CCP should roll back the Alliance P nerf imo. Shut up obvious npc alt, your opinion is not valid. CCP killed my career in the Privateers.... they took my job!
I heard mcdonalds is looking for new employees What do I put in here?
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
167
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Posted - 2012.09.09 13:00:00 -
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serras bang wrote:the other reason could be cause the defenders now have much more options over the egressors with the fact they can call in mercs to help them fight. The "free allies" are all but not mercs, 99% of the time.
Lanyaie you're trying too hard. |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
125
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Posted - 2012.09.09 14:59:00 -
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War decs are dumb. The current system means that the size of my target corp = the expensive of my war dec.
Why is it this way round? There should only be one rule effecting the price of a war dec and that is the size of the corp issuing the dec.
The current system jsut encourages corps to fill up with alt chars that do nothing but drive up the price of a dec. CCP should make the system the other way round and open high sec up to interesting wars by small pirate groups. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Evolution1979
No Self Esteem Malefic Aspects
53
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Posted - 2012.09.09 19:26:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:War decs are dumb. The current system means that the size of my target corp = the expensive of my war dec.
Why is it this way round? There should only be one rule effecting the price of a war dec and that is the size of the corp issuing the dec.
The current system jsut encourages corps to fill up with alt chars that do nothing but drive up the price of a dec. CCP should make the system the other way round and open high sec up to interesting wars by small pirate groups.
You have a valid point there sir! |
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
125
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Posted - 2012.09.09 21:00:00 -
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a 10m isk fee per player in YOUR CORP would be a great system it would allow small pirate corps to attack larger high sec entities. CCP will not do this as CCP is more focused on grind and space spiders and is determined to drive out pvp from high sec and make this game a grind like war crack.
Examples of CCPs anti pvp policy include.
1. Buff to HP of mining vessels. 2. Changing Concord response times 3. Nerfing the boomerang manoeuvre 4. High sec incursions (should only be a null and low sec affair) 5. Nerfing the Orca swarp in high sec 6. Not implementing a fair war dec system 7. Allowing corps that are dec'd to have allies??!?!! Dumbest idea to date.
The list goes on
Like I said less pvp more grind and space spiders. Kugutsumen - My signature insures that my post is always read by an ISD or Dev, does yours? |
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2119
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Posted - 2012.09.09 21:16:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:a 10m isk fee per player in YOUR CORP would be a great system it would allow small pirate corps to attack larger high sec entities. CCP will not do this as CCP is more focused on grind and space spiders and is determined to drive out pvp from high sec and make this game a grind like war crack.
Examples of CCPs anti pvp policy include.
1. Buff to HP of mining vessels. 2. Changing Concord response times 3. Nerfing the boomerang manoeuvre 4. High sec incursions (should only be a null and low sec affair) 5. Nerfing the Orca swarp in high sec 6. Not implementing a fair war dec system 7. Allowing corps that are dec'd to have allies??!?!! Dumbest idea to date.
The list goes on
Like I said less pvp more grind and space spiders.
And yet we're still here, despite all the opposition and changes Hulks are still getting ganked "A genius throws a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that he's going to die choking in a maze of smoke and flame. A hero drinks a Molotov cocktail and soon realizes that if he does a split in midair, he can hit twice as many zombies per kick. Drunk hero wins again, wusses." ~Cracked.com |
Mra Rednu
Black Watch Guard
96
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Posted - 2012.09.09 21:38:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:a 10m isk fee per player in YOUR CORP would be a great system it would allow small pirate corps to attack larger high sec entities. CCP will not do this as CCP is more focused on grind and space spiders and is determined to drive out pvp from high sec and make this game a grind like war crack.
Examples of CCPs anti pvp policy include.
1. Buff to HP of mining vessels. 2. Changing Concord response times 3. Nerfing the boomerang manoeuvre 4. High sec incursions (should only be a null and low sec affair) 5. Nerfing the Orca swarp in high sec 6. Not implementing a fair war dec system 7. Allowing corps that are dec'd to have allies??!?!! Dumbest idea to date.
The list goes on
Like I said less pvp more grind and space spiders.
1. not pvp. 2. not pvp. 3.not pvp. 4. not pvp. 5. not pvp. 6. Well yep effects pvp but why should a war dec system be fair ? 7. Moaning because the miners you pick to "pvp" may get friends to really pvp you........
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Evolution1979
No Self Esteem Malefic Aspects
53
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Posted - 2012.09.09 22:23:00 -
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Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:a 10m isk fee per player in YOUR CORP would be a great system it would allow small pirate corps to attack larger high sec entities. CCP will not do this as CCP is more focused on grind and space spiders and is determined to drive out pvp from high sec and make this game a grind like war crack.
Examples of CCPs anti pvp policy include.
1. Buff to HP of mining vessels. 2. Changing Concord response times 3. Nerfing the boomerang manoeuvre 4. High sec incursions (should only be a null and low sec affair) 5. Nerfing the Orca swarp in high sec 6. Not implementing a fair war dec system 7. Allowing corps that are dec'd to have allies??!?!! Dumbest idea to date.
The list goes on
Like I said less pvp more grind and space spiders.
I said you had a valid point and then you had to go and post this |
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Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
8
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Posted - 2012.09.10 20:46:00 -
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I thought the old dec system was simple and good for a sandbox environment. Being able to add allies to a dec was a nice idea, but its a bit OTT to allow the defender unlimited allies and have the aggressor foot the bill.
What may be more appropriate would be to force the defenders to make the war mutual if they want allies and to allow the attacker to add as many allies as the defender.
But, war dec mechanics aside, far more integral to the problem of war decs (in my opinion) is high sec pvp in general. Neut RR and command boosts make elite fighting forces invincible over more casual players, with everything becoming flawless victories for the elites. (i've heard RR is being addressed but are command links?)
I'd also like to see pointed ships being unable to dock or jump and the timer that prevents u from docking or jumping after engaging extended. At the moment, station games with docking, undocking and redocking are boring and have little risk. If my target undocks to try and flee; bait me or test my dps against his tank, i'd rather they be stuck to face the music (and i stuck with them) |
Ginger Barbarella
State War Academy Caldari State
99
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Posted - 2012.09.10 21:47:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:So, my first reaction was to find who was wardeccing them and gave them the intel, since it's fun to see the CFC bears dying. Because highsec "is for pubbies", right ? "We don't care about wardecs", etc etc.
They had none. That's why "Bat country" is ganking a few freighters each day in Niarja.
You are seriously asking this question? Really?
OK, I'm going to assume you're not a dumb as you are putting on in this thread, so answer your own question for us. We'll see for ourselves whether you're just wasting bandwidth of actually starting a real conversation. |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
167
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Posted - 2012.09.11 10:11:00 -
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Ginger Barbarella wrote:You are seriously asking this question? Really?
OK, I'm going to assume you're not a dumb as you are putting on in this thread, so answer your own question for us. We'll see for ourselves whether you're just wasting bandwidth of actually starting a real conversation. Tell me, why did you quoted the part about Goons and not the question itself ? The CFC was just an example, but I guess you're just a goon alt. It's okay dude, we know you don't care about wardecs (you do). That's not the point.
I'm gonna help you ; a good quote would beQuote:Puzzled, I checked all the major 00 alliances. Almost no one is currently wardecced. Why ? Is it because Inferno f|_|cked the wardec prices ? Or people are finally bored about the horrible wardec mechanisms ?
I'm indeed dumb, I don't know what's the meaning of the word "rhetoric". Please enlighten me. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
76
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Posted - 2012.09.11 10:30:00 -
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Maybe less decs in general...... but we have a lot running non stop. Only annoying thing is, we cant add more then 1024 targets in the contact list My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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Reppyk
The Black Shell
168
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Posted - 2012.09.11 11:32:00 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Maybe less decs in general...... but we have a lot running non stop. Only because you steal my contracts ! |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
344
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Posted - 2012.09.12 02:14:00 -
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IMHO CCP REALLY SCREWED UP WITH THE WARDECK SYSTEM HANDING GOONS A Gold Key INTO HISEC: not only did CCP OVERNERF dogpiling to the point it'd cost trillions to ally against any big Goon-like alliance at the behest of GOONs & the current NULL CSM but with the 500 million a week cost of Wardecc's now Goons are running willy nilly thruout hi sec ganking w/o a worry obeing warkdecked due to the outragous costs!
The past 2-3 years of SPACERICH NULL dominated CSM's have made a starting small corp much tuffer Now HI SEC nerfs are next on CCP's list to nerf. If the disenfrachised base which makes up a majority of Eve does not rise up soon learn to enjoy the yoke of Goon & w/e spacerich NULL SEC alliance Tyranny dominate the CSM -á"In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people-ávery angry and been widely regarded as a bad move." - D. Adams |
Powers Sa
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
306
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Posted - 2012.09.12 03:05:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:IMHO CCP REALLY SCREWED UP WITH THE WARDECK SYSTEM HANDING GOONS A Gold Key INTO HISEC: not only did CCP OVERNERF dogpiling to the point it'd cost trillions to ally against any big Goon-like alliance at the behest of GOONs & the current NULL CSM but with the 500 million a week cost of Wardecc's now Goons are running willy nilly thruout hi sec ganking w/o a worry obeing warkdecked due to the outragous costs!
The past 2-3 years of SPACERICH NULL dominated CSM's have made a starting small corp much tuffer Now HI SEC nerfs are next on CCP's list to nerf. If the disenfrachised base which makes up a majority of Eve does not rise up soon learn to enjoy the yoke of Goon & w/e spacerich NULL SEC alliance Tyranny dominate the CSM
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We pillage plunder, we rifle and loot. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. We kidnap and ravage and don't give a hoot. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me. We extort and pilfer, we filch and sack. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Maraud and embezzle and even highjack. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
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We're rascals and scoundrels, we're villians and knaves. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. We're devils and black sheep, we're really bad eggs. Drink up me 'earties, yo ho.
We're beggars and blighters and ne'er do-well cads, Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Aye, but we're loved by our mommies and dads, Drink up me 'earties, yo ho. Yo ho, yo ho, a pirate's life for me~
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Ke'Daar
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
9
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Posted - 2012.09.12 04:14:00 -
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What he said ...^^^
..or sang rather |
Elecktra Blue
Thunderwaffe Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.09.12 04:30:00 -
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Im offended that you just think it is Bat Country doing everything. |
Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
76
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Posted - 2012.09.12 09:55:00 -
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Why is it, that every time there is something wrong about the way Eve works, people think it's a fault of Goons ? My resists to bad posts are 78-89-83-90 ....... The metal head plate increased it by 5%.
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