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Mekhana
Gallente Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.07 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Milana I thought FW missions were more lucrative than empire missions? I tried accepting an L3 mission and its payout was far less than the typical L3 in empire.
The cash isn't what makes the missions worth it. It's the LP.
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Mistress Milana
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Posted - 2011.06.07 17:53:00 -
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Anybody ever done the math as to how much more profitable it is with LP versus empire L4 + bounties?
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.07 18:32:00 -
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Yes. The answer is that it is more profitable. Otherwise nobody would do them.
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Sofa Raddis
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Posted - 2011.06.07 22:28:00 -
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I don't see how it could be broken, depends on what you expect I guess.
I need combat experience, fleeting up is fine, but I want to mess about on my own a little to learn the ropes, however one needs targets, and I reckon FW provides more of them.
Also the bonus of being able to see if a system is relatively safe, as in, crawling with your militia. So you still have "backup" in the sense some pilots are unlikely to pop you.
That's just my limited perspective though, as i've barely started.
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Deen Wispa
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:06:00 -
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Just started with FW. I am confused though. Do we or do we not need to turn the missions in? I tried a few missions and it seems I have to turn them in.
The timer bonus seems to be broken because they sometimes only give you 20 minutes to complete a mission and that just isn't enough time to complete missions. Especially if I wanted to collect a bunch of missions and do them all in run. -----------------
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Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.08 02:26:00 -
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Originally by: Mistress Milana considering joining but here it's broken. How?
Originally by: X Gallentius it is more profitable.
There you have it.
Why does FW suck? Because it's a cleverly disguised mission runner's haven, just a diffirent kind of mission, and a slightly more ballsy (not much) carebear at the helm. What do the actual pvp'ers get out of it? Absolutely nothing.
Wanna fix FW? Remove the damn missions and LP.
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Rob Bison
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Posted - 2011.06.08 05:29:00 -
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Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE Why does FW suck? Because it's a cleverly disguised mission runner's haven, just a diffirent kind of mission, and a slightly more ballsy (not much) carebear at the helm. What do the actual pvp'ers get out of it?
Originally by: Silence iKillYouu It's pretty fun and sometimes u are just going from fight to fight as u read the stream of intel. Ppl who mission let us know what's going on
this
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Mekhana
Gallente Spiritus Draconis
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Posted - 2011.06.08 06:26:00 -
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I don't like the missions either. I'd rather have a kill based LP reward system.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.08 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE
Originally by: Mistress Milana considering joining but here it's broken. How?
Originally by: X Gallentius it is more profitable.
There you have it.
Why does FW suck? Because it's a cleverly disguised mission runner's haven, just a diffirent kind of mission, and a slightly more ballsy (not much) carebear at the helm. What do the actual pvp'ers get out of it? Absolutely nothing.
Wanna fix FW? Remove the damn missions and LP.
If you remove the missions then FW will get better? Please explain. The actual pvp'ers get isk from these missions to continue pvp'ing. There are many fun ways to use these missions for pvp as well.
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Mara Abraham
Minmatar T.R.I.A.D
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:30:00 -
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Greetings:
I agree with X Gallentius. A number of us use the FW missions for the isk needed to pvp; and, there are a number of times where I've used missions to entrap enemy FW members into pvp events.
Thank you.
--- Mara Abraham
* http://www.factionalwarfare.info
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Von Kroll
Caldari Kroll's Legion
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Posted - 2011.06.08 14:35:00 -
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If you remove the missions, those of us that PvP the rest of the time will go broke from losing ships. Yes, there are people taking advantage of the mission system, but it is necessary, or at least some other isk-generating activity. And, you're not exactly immune from getting interfered with, just because you're in a cloaky ship. At the least, its very easy to prevent mission completion.
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Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.08 23:34:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius If you remove the missions then FW will get better?
Yes.
Originally by: X Gallentius Please explain.
1. Carebears leave 2. You know every war target is looking for a fight, not running missions 3. ?? 4. Profit
Originally by: X Gallentius The actual pvp'ers get isk from these missions to continue pvp'ing. There are many fun ways to use these missions for pvp as well.
There is ~literally~ no other way for you to make isk? Does it hurt to be that stupid? Also, the "fun" of hunting the mission runners is far out-weighed by the damage they cause.
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Syncs Alt
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Posted - 2011.06.09 00:43:00 -
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Edited by: Syncs Alt on 09/06/2011 00:44:28 If CCP simply removed the mission and instead gave LPs for the taking and defending on systems it would fix a couple issues.
The 6800 members of Caldari that never fight would leave, the systems would be worth fighting for, and most of all. A SB cant roam around spend 20 seconds killing one guy in each mission and earn himself 1.4B for 2 hours play time.
EDIT, SRY was over selling the SB, The Cloaky Tengu and Dram alt.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.09 02:12:00 -
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Its not broken if farming billions upon billions of ISK with your aggro alt and your stealth bomber is your kind of thing. No need to defend anything, no need to interact with a single EVE player.
Really, its ironic if CCP was to revisit FW, I bet they would change the FW missions. So all this "Fix FW" whiners will just turn into "WHY THE F*CK DID YOU NERF MY MISSIONS" whiners.
...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Its not broken if farming billions upon billions of ISK with your aggro alt and your stealth bomber is your kind of thing. No need to defend anything, no need to interact with a single EVE player.
Really, its ironic if CCP was to revisit FW, I bet they would change the FW missions. So all this "Fix FW" whiners will just turn into "WHY THE F*CK DID YOU NERF MY MISSIONS" whiners.
As you can see from Gallentius that already happens when you broach the topic. Unfortunately even FW pilots who aren't the gutless carebear farmers pipe up as though their livelyhood were at stake.
It's like poor consevatives who defend corporate fraud because otherwise they'd have to side with ~the government~. They get abused, but they take it and even defend it simply because they're more afraid of change.
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Har Harrison
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:09:00 -
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Originally by: Patient 2428190 Its not broken if farming billions upon billions of ISK with your aggro alt and your stealth bomber is your kind of thing. No need to defend anything, no need to interact with a single EVE player.
Really, its ironic if CCP was to revisit FW, I bet they would change the FW missions. So all this "Fix FW" whiners will just turn into "WHY THE F*CK DID YOU NERF MY MISSIONS" whiners.
Nope - since FW would be about... Faction Warfare
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 03:35:00 -
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LOL @ mission haters....and I don't even mission.
Eliminating FW missions to ride FW of "carebears" will do nothing to increase fights. If anything, the lack of extra carebears means less meat to farm... As it is, even with active fleets out looking for fights are encountered, you still aren't garunteed to get a fight - lol.
The only things "broken" are the logi repping glitch and a meaning to occupancy. Otherwise you have a respectable way to make ISK (that anyone in system can see and warp to if they feel inclined to interfere - plenty of cloaky missioners, some very shiney, thinking they were "safe" have been caught) and a free 24/7 wardec.
TBH, just the free wardec alone is enough for me to stay in FW. The rest is just gravy... |
Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.09 04:01:00 -
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Originally by: Cromwell Savage LOL @ mission haters....and I don't even mission.
TBH, just the free wardec alone is enough for me to stay in FW. The rest is just gravy...
Couldn't have illustrated my point any better.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE ... stuff...
You are either troll or a moron if you don't know how to spot a carebear from a WT.
The FW payout system is self-correcting. The rewards are all LP driven, so the LP rewards will decrease as more people get the balls to do the missions. If people don't have the balls to do them, then LP payouts stay high.
If you are so upset about the FW mission payouts, then get an alt into FW and start farming away! Good luck! The more carebears the better (I'm up to about 100 carebear stealth bomber kills so far, and certain pirates who lurk in a few systems probably have more).
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Miht Virtaq
Gallente the muppets RED.OverLord
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Posted - 2011.06.09 16:32:00 -
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^what XG said. Plus it's pretty easy to spot targets in low sec. And, also, you can just patrol your factions regions and kill the mission runners when targets are low
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.09 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
The FW payout system is self-correcting. The rewards are all LP driven, so the LP rewards will decrease as more people get the balls to do the missions. If people don't have the balls to do them, then LP payouts stay high.
There is no "balls" in stealth bomber/dramiel combos. The risk is absolutely minimal (as you will be in agile ships way off the warpin spot), and you lose absolutely nothing if you get flushed out of the mission. Its easily the least skill intensive/gear intensive PvE in the game while having some of the best payouts. ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius You are either troll or a moron if you don't know how to spot a carebear from a WT.
You reading comprehension is absolute **** if you think I suggested that, but go on.
Originally by: X Gallentius
The FW payout system is self-correcting. The rewards are all LP driven, so the LP rewards will decrease as more people get the balls to do the missions. If people don't have the balls to do them, then LP payouts stay high.
Oh I see you know how an LP store works, good for you. Again, what does that have to do with pvp or my previous posting?
Originally by: X Gallentius
If you are so upset about the FW mission payouts, then get an alt into FW and start farming away! Good luck! The more carebears the better (I'm up to about 100 carebear stealth bomber kills so far, and certain pirates who lurk in a few systems probably have more).
Once again, my point is proven. You're actually concerned about the access to farming. You're even stupid enough to think that i'm jealous of your fw mission isk. Hah. You couldn't be further from the fact.
Carebears don't equate to better FW, neither does the LP reward for non-pvp objectives. So once again Joe Plumber, i'm thanking you for proving my point.
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Cromwell Savage
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE
Originally by: Cromwell Savage LOL @ mission haters....and I don't even mission.
TBH, just the free wardec alone is enough for me to stay in FW. The rest is just gravy...
Couldn't have illustrated my point any better.
In that FW missions actually contribute to more targets for PvP? Yep.
Not saying I have never missioned, it's just not my thing. While I will agree that FW missions are not "perfect", nothing rarely is and I'm not one to begrudge someone from utilizing them to make ISK. As I've said, even the dedicated "FW carebear" adds to tagrgets of opportunity and with some effort and a little luck, can be caught with enough regularity to make it worth while. While not "ground breaking", I won't have to purchase any covert ops cloaks for a long, long time....and that's just loley stalth bombers. We've had corpies bag faction fit, cloaky T3's used exclusively for FW missions...so the opportunities are out there.
I'm in FW for the wardec. However, I'll plex and I'll mission when it suits me. At the same time, it matters not to me if others are in FW for goals or opportunities other than PvP. FW is what you make it. The actual "broken" mechanics have been mentioned already and I do not feel missions are anywhere near the top of the list... |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:08:00 -
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Then get your low-sp alts into FW and run missions. Please!
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Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Cromwell Savage
In that FW missions actually contribute to more targets for PvP? Yep.
Oh I see what you did thar. Targets, sure. Targets that fight back, no. But I guess if you equate popping a few bombers with a fleet battle, you'd be satisfied. I'm a little suprised to hear this from QCS members, but you are gallente.
Originally by: Cromwell Savage
Not saying I have never missioned, it's just not my thing. While I will agree that FW missions are not "perfect", nothing rarely is and I'm not one to begrudge someone from utilizing them to make ISK. As I've said, even the dedicated "FW carebear" adds to tagrgets of opportunity and with some effort and a little luck, can be caught with enough regularity to make it worth while. While not "ground breaking", I won't have to purchase any covert ops cloaks for a long, long time....and that's just loley stalth bombers. We've had corpies bag faction fit, cloaky T3's used exclusively for FW missions...so the opportunities are out there.
Again, i'm really confused. Are you in it for fights or the shot at roping a dope who's farming plexes? You know you can do that for MUCH better rewards in a wormhole, right? The carebears are growing fat off your pvp system, you're gaining only the occasional table scrap kill from it.
Originally by: Cromwell Savage
I'm in FW for the wardec. However, I'll plex and I'll mission when it suits me. At the same time, it matters not to me if others are in FW for goals or opportunities other than PvP. FW is what you make it. The actual "broken" mechanics have been mentioned already and I do not feel missions are anywhere near the top of the list...
So list off what's broken for me then. I'll garuntee you most of it is related to the mission system.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE
Carebears don't equate to better FW, neither does the LP reward for non-pvp objectives. So once again Joe Plumber, i'm thanking you for proving my point.
They don't equate to worse FW, which is your claim - and your claim is completely unproven.
We've already shown how they equate to better FW - provides isk source IN THEATER to purchase and use ships for pvp, scouts reporting potential targets, and you can pvp while doing missions as well (which many of us do on occasion).
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Quality Poaster SEEEEE
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Posted - 2011.06.09 18:26:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE
Carebears don't equate to better FW, neither does the LP reward for non-pvp objectives. So once again Joe Plumber, i'm thanking you for proving my point.
They don't equate to worse FW, which is your claim - and your claim is completely unproven.
We've already shown how they equate to better FW - provides isk source IN THEATER to purchase and use ships for pvp, scouts reporting potential targets, and you can pvp while doing missions as well (which many of us do on occasion).
Unproven? You proved it for me.
You can troll all you want, but ultimately you're just trolling yoursleves. FW is broken because of the mission system driving the content instead of pvp.
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X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE FW is broken because of the mission system driving the content instead of pvp.
lol fail.
The driving content for the pvp'ers in FW is the free war dec and that'll be there whether or not there are FW missions. So simply removing FW missions won't "fix" FW at all - it'll just make it harder for pvp'ers to stay in theater while making isk.
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Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: X Gallentius
We've already shown how they equate to better FW - provides isk source IN THEATER to purchase and use ships for pvp, scouts reporting potential targets, and you can pvp while doing missions as well (which many of us do on occasion).
Because the prime source driving FW is the PvE people do in bombers/interceptors. Not only is that a slap in the face of the completely useless Plexing/System control scheme (which has potential to be a mechanic wide, fun, dynamic multiplayer aspect I might add), you have an ISK fountain that requires frigates to do. Solo. They made a bad system worse by giving it incredible rewards you get by flying solo.
Do you really like the majority of your PvE targets are MWD frigates with cloaks? Do you really like you could waste all your time in a slicer/dramiel chasing these guys and only catch the dumb/ not paying attention ones? ...Then when you stopped to think about it. All you really said was Lalala. |
X Gallentius
Quantum Cats Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.06.09 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Quality Poaster SEEEEE
Again, i'm really confused. Are you in it for fights or the shot at roping a dope who's farming plexes? You know you can do that for MUCH better rewards in a wormhole, right? The carebears are growing fat off your pvp system, you're gaining only the occasional table scrap kill from it.
Here's your real issue. Some carebear is making more isk farming missions while actively piloting his stealth bomber and dramiel than you and your alts are by afk mining/running L4 missions/doing industry/POS reactions in high sec.
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