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Ammzi
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:52:00 -
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Hello CCP,
I will refer back to my original topic some weeks back regarding prolonging incursions according to the wish of CCP for more than 24 hours:
Previous topic on incursions
And then I will deliver a message, a complaint and a voice of logic to CCP.
A lot of politics and time has been used on creating agreements between the two largest and major incursion chats in EVE (the armor chat: The Ditanian Fleet and BTL Pub, including minor chats such as IHUB, Sk33t and so forth). We've modified the agreements, attempted to fulfill everyone's wishes and desires regarding such on when to end an incursion and when not to.
First we announced public timers on when to end an incursion. Secondly we classified incursions that would mobilize as valid targets. Depending on various criteria such as how many true highsec incursions were established, in which sovereignty and so forth. However, due to conflicts and general annoyance the agreements between the incursion runners have broken down and as a result of this you will most definitely experience that incursions will no longer last more than 12 hours and minimum a handful of hours depending on the location of the future incursions. This has also been the reason that there has never been a shortage of a highsec incursion the last many weeks. The incursion community has attempted and successfully kept those available for all pilots in EVE to join in and participate on.
Nonetheless, I do not see the reason for US, the incursion runners, to do such agreements and try to prolong the incursions, when it is in fact your responsibility as a content provider, you CCP, to make sure this feature and expansion to the game is organized and maintained properly continuously in respond to how much interest there is in incursions.
You have already modified the sansha gain influence and especially the capsuleer gained influence in highsec. I therefore ask you to do this again, so we don't have to spend our times in hourlong meetings trying to make an agreement so the incursions last longer. I am asking CCP to step in and naturally have the incursions last longer, even with the hundreds of pilots that do them every day.
Please if you as an incursion runner agree, feel free to voice yourself in this topic.
Best regards, Ammzi Incursion runner and FC
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Lady Aja
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.06.01 21:54:00 -
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Whaaaat?
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:00:00 -
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Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 01/06/2011 22:01:38
Dear CCP,
nerf vanguards they are too easily farmed. buff assaults by increasing pay by 5 million isk.
Finally don't listen to the op, there are plenty of incursions out there, some just require more effort.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:01:00 -
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Did it really require all that verbiage to get across your point?
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Ammzi
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 01/06/2011 22:01:38
Dear CCP,
nerf vanguards they are too easily farmed. buff assaults by increasing pay by 5 million isk.
Finally don't listen to the op, there are plenty of incursions out there, some just require more effort.
I'll bet you my nightmare mate ;). Look for yourself, the last highsec incursion has been put down. Not counting lowsec/nullsec of course.
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Jack Tronic
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:08:00 -
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I just love all these pro incursion runners and FCs whipping out their epeens on the forums. They make me giggle and cry.
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:08:00 -
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Short, English version: Incursion runners have been holding off the completion of incursions in order to provide more opportunities for all capsuleers to farm the Incursion sites. The various groups involved in making inter-capsuleer agreements do not feel it is their responsibility to prolong Incursions, since they all want to get to the mothership fight as quickly as possible. They are therefore calling on CCP to prolong Incursions through the game mechanic of influence gain/loss.
No doubt we will hear more on this issue once the folks who have been making a career of Incursion running realise that there is a delay between one Incursion being completed and the next one starting.
In the meatime, parties interested in carebear drama can join "BTL Pub" or "The Ditanian Fleet" to see much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
-- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Ammzi
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Tronic I just love all these pro incursion runners and FCs whipping out their epeens on the forums. They make me giggle and cry.
*shrugs* I would have loved to write in caps with a lot of exclamation marks and stuff. And yet I'd have gotten the exact same replies as yours. Such is the EVE forums. o/
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ammzi
Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Edited by: Obsidian Hawk on 01/06/2011 22:01:38
Dear CCP,
nerf vanguards they are too easily farmed. buff assaults by increasing pay by 5 million isk.
Finally don't listen to the op, there are plenty of incursions out there, some just require more effort.
I'll bet you my nightmare mate ;). Look for yourself, the last highsec incursion has been put down. Not counting lowsec/nullsec of course.
its time as runners we shed our carebear high sec ways and head to low sec, we have learned enough of fleet ops, organization and target calling to take on low sec.
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Widemouth Deepthroat
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:11:00 -
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Basically this duder crapped a big tldr while performing auto-felatio about how his alliance of carebears control the incursions then he realised they actually didn't so he had to crap out another one stating that.
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Ammzi
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:13:00 -
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To Obsidian, send me an invite for those fleets someday. I'd love to join.
To the above alt, no one controls anything in EVE, such is the sandbox. You silly - except CCP of course.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Ammzi To Obsidian, send me an invite for those fleets someday. I'd love to join.
To the above alt, no one controls anything in EVE, such is the sandbox. You silly - except CCP of course.
Hehe it would be fun, the trick to them is of course finding out the local pirate schedule and when they are the least active.
One of the advantages of low sec incursions is that you cant be hotdropped, and if you already have capitals in the area before the incursion hits, well its a tactical defensive advantage.
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Ammzi
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:24:00 -
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Damn, you have no idea how much I envy you for doing lowsec incursions. Both reward wise and the thrill of the risk of being jumped by a hostile force at anytime, even though you have some warning in constellation and local. :)
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Renan Ruivo
Hipernova Vera Cruz Alliance
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Renan Ruivo on 01/06/2011 22:25:41 blah...blah...blah... incursion... carebear.. blah blah... carebear alliance.. blah.. too hard.. too easy... turd.. auto-felatio..
FFS, you should all look at how ridiculous you sound. These forums are depressing... leave people alone.
YES, i may sound ridiculous as well. I am bored. Shove it. ____________
Originally by: CCP Guard Nobody gets to ruin EVE but us!
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:43:00 -
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I think you just made uncle Soundwave happy
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TalonKarrde84
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Posted - 2011.06.01 22:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest Did it really require all that verbiage to get across your point?
Reading is hard.
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Freelancer117
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:40:00 -
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may I raise the question where concord is in all off this ?
we capsuleers have been flying our butts of to keep this so called master Kuvekai from getting more robot space zombie's, and all we got to show for it is some isk.
Didnt even got an "I was there - T'shirt"
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.01 23:50:00 -
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Originally by: TalonKarrde84
Originally by: Ghoest Did it really require all that verbiage to get across your point?
Reading is hard.
Reading that egotistical pronouncement was.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Takseen
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Posted - 2011.06.02 00:26:00 -
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I was actually pleasantly surprised to see Incursions lasting a decent amount of time over the last couple of days. I just thought it was because CCP had balanced the influence gain properly, not the result of an informal agreement.
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Stick Cult
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Posted - 2011.06.02 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Takseen I was actually pleasantly surprised to see Incursions lasting a decent amount of time over the last couple of days. I just thought it was because CCP had balanced the influence gain properly, not the result of an informal agreement.
Nope, at the current rate, all those incursions could have been burned in a good 4-5 hours. The only thing keeping them alive was that agreement, which is now gone. \/
Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Ammzi
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Posted - 2011.06.02 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Ghoest
Originally by: TalonKarrde84
Originally by: Ghoest Did it really require all that verbiage to get across your point?
Reading is hard.
Reading that egotistical pronouncement was.
Sorry if I have offended you in anyway. I never intended that and I haven't claimed I was something else than I am. I did this topic on behalf of myself, not anyone else. I am an incursion runner and I FC them as well, which I therefore included ....
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Jaboui
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Posted - 2011.06.02 11:41:00 -
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I think logically that the MOM shouldn't appear until the incursion mobilizes. What military force would commit their disabling weak point without first establishing a defensive line or structures of some type.
When I've been in 0.0 fleets I know that the cap's generally won't jump in until we had some kind of eyes and control in the system going already. I have no idea why the Sansha ships would work counter to any kind of military logic especially if the leader is some type of genius.
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Bubba Ray Conrad
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:03:00 -
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In my opinion CCP doesn't want us to get ISK that easily in Highsec so that everyone can pay his accounts with PLEX. They want to earn greenbags - nothing objectionable imho.
Look at the nerf of Droneregions, the Sanctums&Havens and the LP Shop. So many 0'0-Bears got frustrated as they can't keep their dozens of accounts up by just farming 23/7 so I don't think that CCP will react in a proper way to increase the lifetime of an Incursion, as this means in the same time an option of generating ISK easily in Highsec, except the ordinary statements that CCP learned in a course of selling psychology .
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Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:17:00 -
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What makes you think there should be a permanent chain of these easily farmable group missions? If CCP made them possible to farm all day long by increasing length/spawn rate for "all pilots in EVE to join in and participate on" do you think that all pilots in eve would come and participate? Or would you and your chums just farm harder?
Judging by the fact that raids incursions have been around for a while now, I'd say that pretty much most people know what they're about and have seen/experienced it, and have either chosen to do them all the time, or decided they just don't care.
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Drexit
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:26:00 -
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Signed. Running Incursions has been some of the most fun I've had in Eve since I joined. I've met people, operated outside a me+2 alt fleet, and made decent ISK. I would like to see CCP make some changes that extend the life of an incursion, either by setting a minimum wait time before the Mom spawns, or preventing the mom from spawning until a second incursion is up. Explain it however you want.
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Jaboui
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:40:00 -
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Bubba: It's not 100% possible for everyone to pay for the game using plexes. If that were the case the market forces would adjust the price to accommodate for the extra isk. After all someone has to BUY the plexes to put them in the game. It's basic economics.
Also, I have limited time for EvE in my life. By making it so maybe one spawns a day and is only up for 6 or less hours somewhere in high sec the probability of me being able to join in with this group of friends I'm finding here becomes a lot less possible. This is due to the time it takes to find fleets, to move 26 jump's to the incursion etc. So I lose an opportunity to do something that I've found I enjoy in EvE.
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Mintala Arana
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Bubba Ray Conrad In my opinion CCP doesn't want us to get ISK that easily in Highsec so that everyone can pay his accounts with PLEX. They want to earn greenbags - nothing objectionable imho.
*sigh* You do realize that the plex you buy with isk came from a GTC, right? And that that GTC was bought with real money? Someone paid for it.
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salty Milk
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Ammzi Please if you as an incursion runner agree, feel free to voice yourself in this topic.
everybody else above this line cannot read and the people below it cannot read either
you all saw the op your only role here is to agree after all he doesnt sound like a deranged egomaniac at all
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Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
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Posted - 2011.06.02 12:53:00 -
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CCP sometimes when I want to mine there arnt any asteroids left in the belt, there needs to be more.
CCP sometimes I can't find any officer spawns when I'm ratting, there need to be more.
CCP sometimes my WH doesn't have enough combat sites, they need to spawn faster.
There is limited supply of most things in this game (except missions and idiots) if you can't deal with the competition CCP has given you the tools to get rid of them.
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Drexit
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Posted - 2011.06.02 13:20:00 -
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If you want to make comparisons to other mechanisms in eve, these might be more appropriate:
Asteroids belts throughout the Universe do not replenish themselves but every 3-4 days, regardless of whether you participated in mining them or not. The next asteroid belt to spawn may be 25-30 jumps away, and you can expect it to last only 4-5 hours. No, it does not wait for you to finish work.
Belt rats throughout the Universe do not respawn but every 3-4 days, regardless of whether you participated in killing them or not. The next belt rats to spawn may be 25-30 jumps away, and you can expect them to live only 4-5 hours. No, they do not wait for you to finish work.
Wormhole sites throughout the Universe do not respawn but every 3-4 days, regardless of whether you participated in finishing them or not. The next wormhole site to spawn may be in your wormhole, or it may be in another's, and you can expect it to last only 4-5 hours. No, it does not wait for you to finish work.
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