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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:09:00 -
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As some of you may know, i'm a 2005 character that has never attacked another player, because i just don't care about killmails, and i'm not into greifing. I've just been doing my own thing, making isk, and avoiding people who'd like to kill me, rather skillfully, i might add.
I've been doing FW missions for awhile lately, lost a few Stealth Bombers, and more recently a somewhat valuable clone, under suspicious circumstances and decided it was on. Those bastards were going to pay.
So i hop into my Neut Domi, and start looking for trouble. There's 3 Drakes camping a station in Hek, and a guy in Militia chat is looking for help, i join his fleet and warp a good distance away from the station that's being camped, then cloak, and keep eyes on them. There's a suspicious Orca in an NPC corp running a sensor booster near them, and the 3 Drakes keep docking and undocking. All of that is bull**** and should not be allowed, but whatever.
More people join the fleet, and everything is looking good, i spend about an hour relaying info while everyone is getting fitted and travelling, then two main people get blown up and podded at gates on their way, and the fleet falls apart.
GG, CCP
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cyndrogen
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:13:00 -
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Can you explain more clearly what the problem was? I don't understand, I'm not trying to troll you but more info would help. I'm not sure I get who or what got killed and why the fleet fell apart???
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Culmen
Caldari Vigrior The Dominion Empire
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:14:00 -
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Edited by: Culmen on 04/06/2011 01:13:59 You're in the militia. What did you expect? Competence?
Seriously half of the militia people are just there because they couldn't hack it anywhere else. and further more why do i even need a sig? |
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:15:00 -
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How is the inadequacy of some players CCP's fault again ? _
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:21:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 04/06/2011 01:26:42 Well, those people being so easily podded may be linked to that other thread of mine, but even if it's not, i made this just so it is known i made an effort to destroy other players, once.
Originally by: Akita T How is the inadequacy of some players CCP's fault again ?
Gate chokepoints are bull****, so are neutral reppers, and docking games.
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raney ilara
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:24:00 -
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Quote: Today i decided it was time to start killing people
Do you work for the post office?
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Shieko Chan
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:29:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran Edited by: Bane Necran on 04/06/2011 01:22:55 As some of you may know, i'm a 2005 character that has never attacked another player, because i just don't care about killmails, and i'm not into greifing. I've just been doing my own thing, making isk, and avoiding people who'd like to kill me, rather skillfully, i might add.
I've been doing FW missions for awhile lately, lost a few Stealth Bombers, and more recently a somewhat valuable clone, under suspicious circumstances and decided it was on. Those bastards were going to pay.
So i hop into my Neut Domi, and start looking for trouble. There's 3 Drakes camping a station in Hek, and a guy in Militia chat is looking for help, i join his fleet and warp a good distance away from the station that's being camped, then cloak, and keep eyes on them. There's a suspicious Orca in an NPC corp running a sensor booster near them, and the 3 Drakes keep docking and undocking. All of that is bull**** and should not be allowed, but whatever.
More people join the fleet, and everything is looking good, i spend about an hour relaying info while everyone is getting fitted and travelling, then two main people get blown up and podded at gates on their way, and the fleet falls apart.
GG, CCP.
Grandpa Jeess, why did you tell me this story..is this a kissing book?
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shieko Chan Grandpa Jeess, why did you tell me this story..is this a kissing book?
Little Shieko, i had a dream last night which included a toddlers head being popped like a grape under the wheel of a semi truck. Am i supposed to try and make sense of that?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran Am i supposed to try and make sense of that?
I find the notion inconceivable. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki
Originally by: Bane Necran Am i supposed to try and make sense of that?
I find the notion inconceivable.
I sat in a car and watched it happen. I should have done something.
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Ghoest
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Gate chokepoints are bull****, so are neutral reppers, and docking games.
I agree neutral repper are lame and changes could be good.
I also agree at least that the gate choke point game design was a poor choice. But seriously the game is 8 years old and its totally built around the gate concept - maybe EVE isnt for you if you cant deal with it.
As for whining about docking game now you just sound like a noob.
Wherever you went - Here you are.
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 01:56:00 -
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Night.
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Medidranda Livoga
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Posted - 2011.06.04 02:02:00 -
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Chokepoint fighting design is truly one of the worst parts of EVE. There are almost no tools for midwarp interception (bubbles barely qualify and cannot be used in lowsec).
There is some anomaly "pvp" but that`s about it, everywhere else smart player either cannot be killed (humping a station) or has to be sandwiched by two gangs at both sides of the gate aka. "blob". Logoff timers and agression timers being fairly low add to these problems.
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Emperor Cheney
Celebrity Sex Tape
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Posted - 2011.06.04 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Culmen Edited by: Culmen on 04/06/2011 01:13:59 You're in the militia. What did you expect? Competence?
Seriously half of the militia people are just there because they couldn't hack it anywhere else.
I really don't think the guy who started a thread about how he cloaked his dominix and lost a lot of stealth bombers running militia missions was complaining about the general militia competence, but whatever. Rather, I think what happened is you saw the word "militia" and expressed what a giant chip you have on your shoulder.
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 02:23:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 04/06/2011 02:25:57 Meh, yeah, i've had a bit to drink, so things may not be perfectly rational at this point
Here's to another few years solo.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.04 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Akita T How is the inadequacy of some players CCP's fault again ?
Gate chokepoints are bull****, so are neutral reppers, and docking games.
You don't like gates as chokepoints... so, what, do you want people to be able to travel anywhere with impunity ? Or how else do you suggest interceptions of individuals or convoys moving from one place to another should happen ? And why ? You don't like neutral reppers... hmm... so what do you want, to only be able to repair people in your own corp ? Isn't that a bit too harsh ? Or if that's not what you are suggesting, how else do you want the aggression rules to work ? Docking games are a bit "meh", I'll give you that. However, how exactly would you solve that ? Just ramp up the timers or what else ? _
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2011.06.04 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: Juliette DuBois on 04/06/2011 02:59:53 Might not be such a bad idea to only be able to rep if you are in same gang?
For docking timers, after HP buff that was while back it would probably be a good idea to extend them a bit. Certain ships like abaddons and command ships can disengage and dock quite reliably now. Even worse are capitals.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:01:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/06/2011 03:06:41
Originally by: Juliette DuBois Might not be such a bad idea to only be able to rep if you are in same gang?
The aggression rules are the same for people within or outside the fleet. And you can no longer get yourself accidentally CONCORDED because of it. So what essential thing would change if you make it so ?
Originally by: Juliette DuBois For docking timers, after HP buff that was while back it would probably be a good idea to extend them a bit. Certain ships like abaddons and command ships can disengage and dock quite reliably now. Even worse are capitals.
Any fixed dock timer that would be regarded as "overall fair" (meaning, with the least amount of total unavoidable displeasure) would suffer from being way too long for small vessels and way too short for large vessels. Maybe it's time to make it depend on hull size ? It still suffers from a similar problem, this time depending on fitting. So maybe make it depend on total HP ? Then it becomes unfair to buffer-tankers and advantageous to active tankers. And a surprise additional number of enemies dropping in will almost always be able to kill you either way. Heck, even if you ramp it up to a very high level, you have another problem - say somebody engages you, you defend yourself, you manage to escape, then head on to dock... and find yourself ambushed by a bunch of people that may not even have anything to do with the previous aggressor... but you can't dock, because, hey, huge timer. Either way you change it, SOMEBODY is going to hate it. _
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:02:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 04/06/2011 03:05:02
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Bane Necran
Originally by: Akita T How is the inadequacy of some players CCP's fault again ?
Gate chokepoints are bull****, so are neutral reppers, and docking games.
You don't like gates as chokepoints... so, what, do you want people to be able to travel anywhere with impunity ? Or how else do you suggest interceptions of individuals or convoys moving from one place to another should happen ? And why ?
Well, i expected someone would figure it out by now, but i am Professor Tarantula posting on his main, and i hope you paid attention to all the alternatives i offered on him, because it answers all those questions. I see people now talking about personal warp drives instead of warp gates and it makes me smile. Like i said, i don't care about personal recognition, as long as it makes the game better. You forced me into this, and i'm sure i'll regret it, but there it is.
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Atticus Fynch
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: raney ilara
Quote: Today i decided it was time to start killing people
Do you work for the post office?
+10
LOL
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:08:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran i am Professor Tarantula posting on his main, and i hope you paid attention to all the alternatives i offered on him
Sorry, nope, haven't. Can you do a quick recap or at least summon a few links ? _
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:12:00 -
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Sorry, I don't have anything to prove to you.
You're not even the original Akita, but someone who bought that character.
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I Love Boobies
Amarr
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:12:00 -
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I thought it was an exploit for neutrals to rep war targets? Or was that just people with criminal countdown? Hmm, maybe I am just confused too... Probably.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:17:00 -
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Originally by: Bane Necran Sorry, I don't have anything to prove to you.
Because telling what you want in cleartext as opposed to just making some obscure references is "proving something" ? You know, as opposed to not being a jerk about it ? "Yeah, I can fix everything, I told exactly how to fix it some time in the past, nobody listened, no, I can't be bothered to tell you the short version of it nor link to it"...
Quote: You're not even the original Akita, but someone who bought that character.
/facepalm _
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Juliette DuBois
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:19:00 -
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Going with hull size as docking time limiter would be improvement, not necessarily ideal but better. Favoring certain fittings would not be a problem since we are not talking about 10 minute docking timers or something crazy like that. Most of the ships are geared towards one style of tanking anyway like Maels being active and Abas passive. Passive armor tankers have problem with repair bills so I would not punish them by setting it to hp based timer.
I would go with standard timer until BC size. T2 cruisers, T3 cruisers, BC and BS go with double timer (120 secons) and carriers and dreads with 600 seconds.
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Bane Necran
Furtim Vigilans
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:23:00 -
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Edited by: Bane Necran on 04/06/2011 03:25:30 Professor Tarantula is well known for being an advocate against gates. Not only did i write a long and involved thing in another section under that name, but people who were also against gates wrote him Evemails and supported him.
Maybe you were too busy gushing about Buffy the Vampire slayer reruns?
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:24:00 -
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I don't know who's trolling who anymore. -- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
Neo Omni
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki I don't know who's trolling who anymore.
In soviet Russia, the forum trolls you.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:28:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 04/06/2011 03:32:49
Originally by: Bane Necran Professor Tarantula is well known for being an advocate against gates. Not only did i write a long and involved thing in another section under that name, but people who were also against gates wrote him Evemails.
If you say so. Then what's the problem with linking to one of his famous anti-gate threads then ? Maybe I fail at searching, I can't seem to find any threads of his discussing his detailed vision of an EVE without gates, you know, so he can espouse the merits of his proposal and address any criticism waged at it.
Originally by: Bane Necran Maybe you were too busy gushing about Buffy the Vampire slayer reruns?
Yes, maybe. Or it could have been the new MLP:FiM. Or Babylon 5 reruns. Or a book. Or some RL stuff. Or maybe I was engaged in some perverse activity involving foodstuffs and bodily orifices. Maybe I don't see a problem with gates, and don't read the entirety of the forum to begin with, so I'm pretty sure I missed a lot more things that were of little or no interest to me, not just that one. _
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Yuki Kulotsuki
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Posted - 2011.06.04 03:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Or maybe I don't see a problem with gates, and don't read the entirety of the forum to begin with.
-- Did you know there's an alliance who's name you're not allowed to say, or website you're not allowed to link? |
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