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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 11:56:00 -
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Watch out everyone there is a bug or ex on local , that some poeple in local wont show or even show then not show a wile later.
Its allready cost my mates some BS & so far iv only seen it related to 1 corp, so maybe there causing it witch im shure the GMs are looking into.
I have a screenie ill post later cos im at work now, have anyone else seen this yet ? only since the last patch. _______________________________________
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Nero Scuro
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:06:00 -
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It's a known bug, yeah. But apparently it's a client side bug, so you won't get any stuff back if your lose a ship to it. ---------------- Haha, stupid monkey! Now I'VE got the Oscar! Enjoy your worthless gun! |
ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:11:00 -
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what is a client side bug is that at our end specifically or CCP ?
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:15:00 -
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he means our side your pcs end, also ya say its known man i didnt know or my mates or anyone in my channels, can you link the patch notes showing it?. _______________________________________
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:22:00 -
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Just add if this is known it should be in the main news i think & since ccp provide the client witch we pay for, my mates I now think should also get there ships back.
Seems the GM's threated to ban my mates for pushing the issue beliveing it was them not watching local ( i did my self till i see it right in front of me ), I think ccp should replace that person's ships now if it was known & even if it wasnt it now is & noone can do more wile ratting than watch local.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:27:00 -
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Not sure there's any particular notes about it, but basically channels have always been screwy, since launch nearly two years ago.
At times you'll find:
- People not showing in convo/local/chat channels. - People logged off still showing in chat channels, complete with buddy icon turned red. - Chat channel's indicating a different number of people in the channel than are, or appear to be, in there.
I tell you, having someone convo you and then you not being able to see them in the channel makes it quite hard - you never know if they're still there or whether you're talking to yourself.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:51:00 -
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" I tell you, having someone convo you and then you not being able to see them in the channel makes it quite hard - you never know if they're still there or whether you're talking to yourself " hehe yea i love this 1 also & now all the rest ya saying about.
Jumping in gangs you often would loose half ya fleet but noone of the is realy a problem as not showing the enermy local, this is very seriour issue this time not just an annoyance & 1s a few more take losses over it were see whos winging then, BTW iv lost nothing due to it but probly will. _______________________________________
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.15 12:56:00 -
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seems to be a few minor code changes could save CCP ongoing greif from the whingers within the CCP eve online membership
That said i wouldnt be pushing the issue but if its a bug fill out a bug report the more come up the more they focus on fixing it.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 15:02:00 -
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" seems to be a few minor code changes could save CCP ongoing greif from the whingers within the CCP eve online membership "
yea like taking out the narsty sort items crap , the rest im not shure is so easy to fix but i bet you could do it in 5mins i can feel your very good at everything type. _______________________________________
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.02.15 16:10:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains seems to be a few minor code changes could save CCP ongoing greif from the whingers within the CCP eve online membership
That said i wouldnt be pushing the issue but if its a bug fill out a bug report the more come up the more they focus on fixing it.
If I'd ever seen any indication Bug Reports were read and acted on, I might still be using them.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 16:29:00 -
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" If I'd ever seen any indication Bug Reports were read and acted on, I might still be using them "
Agree & can the person that asked for the new " sort items by " plase step forward ? _______________________________________
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.02.15 16:37:00 -
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Originally by: SinBin can the person that asked for the new " sort items by " plase step forward ?
So we can pod you repeatedly.
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Demarcus
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Posted - 2005.02.15 17:09:00 -
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The only channels I get that work AT ALL are local corp and gang. Nothing in any of the other channels comes up at all ever when I try to join one. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.02.15 17:19:00 -
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I don't think that "people not showing in local" is that critical. It's not the sort of bug to lose ships for. I'd prefer if everyone in local was invisible, at least until they talk - just like other channels.
As long as people show up on overview, it's not a problem
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Hari Sel'don
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Posted - 2005.02.15 17:50:00 -
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I once had someone elses corp chat as my corp chat, had all my corp m8s in it, and 2 other guys, but my own corp couldnt see them or what the strangers were saying...was very odd...they thought i was nutz talking to someone else who wasn't there...the thing is, the 2 strangers couldnt see what i was typing either and they were having a right good chat about all their kills and the various political crap...it would of made more sense i spose if i hadnt been such a noob back then...so yes channel weirdness does exist...not seen the local one tho, not sure i would want to. |
SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter I don't think that "people not showing in local" is that critical. It's not the sort of bug to lose ships for. I'd prefer if everyone in local was invisible, at least until they talk - just like other channels.
As long as people show up on overview, it's not a problem
you sound like a real tuff guy, hahaha, when 3 geddons with fast lock popup on your overview your soon change ya tone, maybe play a bit longer or post with ya main & we can give ya a little more credit but I dowt it. _______________________________________
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Face Lifter
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Posted - 2005.02.15 19:17:00 -
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if 3 geddons with insta lock popup in your overview, seeing their little character portraits in local chat isn't gonna save you, I'm sorry
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.15 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter if 3 geddons with insta lock popup in your overview, seeing their little character portraits in local chat isn't gonna save you, I'm sorry
realy mate play a bit longer, example, your mining or ratting in a belt, 3 pirates come local you warp to base, your way you just die or do your local pirates allways say hi were here & coming ready or not ?.
Anyways the late pic is here & i added some more, like evidence of serpentis hapling mordas guys
http://www.toptechpcs.co.uk/eve/bugs
for fun ya can check http://www.toptechpcs.co.uk/eve/sin & switch any of this lot with sin for more /battle /gank /gedd /moo & maybe more but i forgot. _______________________________________
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2005.02.15 23:37:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 15/02/2005 23:38:36
Originally by: SinBin
Originally by: Face Lifter if 3 geddons with insta lock popup in your overview, seeing their little character portraits in local chat isn't gonna save you, I'm sorry
realy mate play a bit longer, example, your mining or ratting in a belt, 3 pirates come local you warp to base, your way you just die or do your local pirates allways say hi were here & coming ready or not ?.
Well we certainly CANNOT have the 'Element of Surprise' in EVE. That would make EVE unnecessarily exciting. Perish the thought!
Being able to see potential enemies even before they load into our solar system is a MUST to protect our Battle ships from combat for which they're very unsuited and our isk stream from ceasing to flow.
Say No to the Local Bug, Say No to the thought of removing the All Powerful Local Insta-Scanner Early Warning Detection System. Say no to Fun in EVE.
Infinity Ziona
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Cummilla
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Posted - 2005.02.15 23:43:00 -
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Element of surprise my arse.....you just want to enhance your chances at configuring a tactical situation to suit more of a "shooting fish in a barrel" exercise where gates between foes are more of a concern than setups or skills.
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Infinity Ziona
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Posted - 2005.02.16 00:02:00 -
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Originally by: Cummilla Element of surprise my arse.....you just want to enhance your chances at configuring a tactical situation to suit more of a "shooting fish in a barrel" exercise where gates between foes are more of a concern than setups or skills.
Actually if you stop and think you will realise that Local is a very powerful influence on gate ganking and 'shooting fish in a barrel'.
EVE with Local:
Pirates and PK'rs cannot jump into a system and warp to a belt to find a victim because as was stated already, local will give any potential victims adequate time to warp to a station.
Result -> Pirates and PK'rs camp gates because targets are guaranteed to 'be a fish in a barrel'.
EVE without Local:
Pirates and PK'rs will jump into a system. Scan for a target. Warp to a belt to kill said target. The target can CHOOSE to move a long way from the belt warp in point when they first begin mining / hunting and thus will not be in range of a scrambler etc when the pirates warp in or they can choose to be in range. The key is its their choice rather then the ZERO choice you will have at a gatecamp.
Result -> More real pirates hunting, less gankers at gates. More fun.
As for ME wanting to enhance my 'Shooting fish in a barrel' thing, I have NEVER in the 1.5 years I have played EVE, PvP'd in a group so I think your incorrect. I would however, like the opportunity to be 'surprised' and occasionally actually manage to catch someone who is not AFK or a total newbie.
Infinity Ziona
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.16 00:04:00 -
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I think gate camping as well as wider piracy can both be accomodated but something needs to be implement ie warp drones scouts to allow players to also look ahead to see if any potential danger exists
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Icarus Starkiller
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Posted - 2005.02.16 00:36:00 -
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This topic is hot. Nuclear hot.
I believe that the local channel should remain, but I also agree that peeps should only show up when they use local.
Unless they're truly local to you (i.e. within the same 'grid'), then they should show up as they do now, regardless of saying anything or not.
Covert ops being the only ones that don't show up anywhere (unless they talk, but with a 50% timeout on their 'activity', they leave the local channel info bar faster).
There should also be some feature (skill or such) that allows your war targets (for officially declared wars) to show up on local immediately with some sort of 'icon' to state their war status. Perhaps with higher skills or whatever letting you flag people on your buddy list to show up as well.
My .02 ISK for the flames.
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Drunken Claptrap
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Posted - 2005.02.16 01:38:00 -
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Originally by: Icarus Starkiller This topic is hot. Nuclear hot.
I believe that the local channel should remain, but I also agree that peeps should only show up when they use local.
Unless they're truly local to you (i.e. within the same 'grid'), then they should show up as they do now, regardless of saying anything or not.
Covert ops being the only ones that don't show up anywhere (unless they talk, but with a 50% timeout on their 'activity', they leave the local channel info bar faster).
There should also be some feature (skill or such) that allows your war targets (for officially declared wars) to show up on local immediately with some sort of 'icon' to state their war status. Perhaps with higher skills or whatever letting you flag people on your buddy list to show up as well.
My .02 ISK for the flames.
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Valentine Keen
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Posted - 2005.02.16 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 15/02/2005 23:38:36
Originally by: SinBin
Originally by: Face Lifter if 3 geddons with insta lock popup in your overview, seeing their little character portraits in local chat isn't gonna save you, I'm sorry
realy mate play a bit longer, example, your mining or ratting in a belt, 3 pirates come local you warp to base, your way you just die or do your local pirates allways say hi were here & coming ready or not ?.
Well we certainly CANNOT have the 'Element of Surprise' in EVE. That would make EVE unnecessarily exciting. Perish the thought!
Being able to see potential enemies even before they load into our solar system is a MUST to protect our Battle ships from combat for which they're very unsuited and our isk stream from ceasing to flow.
Say No to the Local Bug, Say No to the thought of removing the All Powerful Local Insta-Scanner Early Warning Detection System. Say no to Fun in EVE.
Infinity Ziona
I don't have a problem with surprise, but the surprise should be that the other player has done something clever, or that you've wandered into their turf. (In that respect, sure take local from 0.0, I'm fine with that.)
The surprise, however, shouldn't be 'will the damn game work or not today'.
Surprise, yes. Bugs, no.
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.16 10:45:00 -
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Im not so worrid if none of us show local but make eve very boring & you feel so alone most the time.
Let have an example of he no show local for all, pirates want an easy kill so best he can do is check the map for players in space, he see a small blob fly of to see & jumps to blob system gos round everybelt nothing, nothing local also checks the station 1 guy docked , rechecks the map the blob is 2 jumps on, great fun off he goes 2 jumps checks the belts nothing , nothing local rechecks the map its not updated yet checks the station nothing, 4 gates in & out he goes home, great days hunting for all.
Right now its only a few not showing local witch is dodgy, make it all & i get easy kills also nps but no faer of 10 pirates local & i maybe cant get out or maybe a good force local i could team up with, who do you think is gonna ever type local ?. _______________________________________
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.16 10:58:00 -
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ive started using local if more people used it it could be a worthwhile feature for combating pirate groups - ie find someone in a system gang up with them to do mining etc as long as they aint a hostile corp the few players i have tried it with have gone with me etc - its something different for the player to do low level small co operation to guard and mine a field ?
Trading convoys are another thing through low spec space ie a group (gang of 5 of us) could team up take cargo through a few systems - perhaps you could pay a higher level player to ride ahead and blow up anything in his BC that gets in the way then the cargo ships come along behind and a protection payment of 20% of profits could be made
Alternative to mission and the usually boring aspect of the game
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.16 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: ollobrains ive started using local if more people used it it could be a worthwhile feature for combating pirate groups - ie find someone in a system gang up with them to do mining etc as long as they aint a hostile corp the few players i have tried it with have gone with me etc - its something different for the player to do low level small co operation to guard and mine a field ?
Trading convoys are another thing through low spec space ie a group (gang of 5 of us) could team up take cargo through a few systems - perhaps you could pay a higher level player to ride ahead and blow up anything in his BC that gets in the way then the cargo ships come along behind and a protection payment of 20% of profits could be made
Alternative to mission and the usually boring aspect of the game
hehehe what have I started, im not realy into mining no more man or hauling. scouting is simple & my fav thing & I would thrive in an EVE with no local & I think maybe another 20% of eve would also love it but most of you would hate it including all the noob pirates & noob dont just mean new to the game, alot simply aint so good at using all the tools in eve even after a very long time playing.
I think if we have no local we best have no pilots in space on map also, maybe ccp sould try it for a week just for fun.
If covert ops dont show local thats nps but a GM best let us now cos now there has been a 3rd incident same ASS pirates & this time they got a kill again. Also if it is covert ops then the guy in my screen shots cloak dont work. _______________________________________
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ollobrains
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Posted - 2005.02.16 12:06:00 -
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so what would you have covert ops do in reference to local map chagnes or should it be left as is for now until more diverse ideas can be created ?
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SinBin
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Posted - 2005.02.16 13:20:00 -
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We getting way off track here, handy bumping ollo but get out my post.
The point is 3 times now ASS guys have not shown local noone else seems to have seen this happening WTF are the gms doing about it. 3 inderpendent groupe's have witnest it & 2 have lost ships due to it. Iv even provided a screen shot of a non cloaked 1 not showing.
There currently at war with 3 local fairly noob corps, pure miner & newbie ratters, there loosing member even now cos its no way fair for the realy new guys. still there killing a few to witch is nice & not using any bugs to do it, hehe umber pirates killed by miners I love that. _______________________________________
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